Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Fulcanelli]

Are Micheli's comments 'worthless fluff' too?



I thought this particular mole about the 'impossible Spiderman climb' had been thoroughly whacked already. Apparently not.

Btw, I looked for Micheli's rejection of the defence's claim about the opening of the Naruto file while I was browsing the report, but couldn't find it. Any cite on that yet?

Micheli never saw the window. He saw only photographs. And for the record, he also concluded the break0-in was staged and staged by Knox and Sollecito. So no, his words aren't fluff.

Of course, in contrast, the judges of the appeal went to see the window in person.

On the Naruto file..again I say, I though you knew everything? The evidence was rejected because it didn't demonstrate what the defence claimed it did. It's as simple and no more complicated then that.

 

[Draca]

Looks distinctly like a "doth protest too much" post Bruce. How can you possibly square your version with Michelle's statement on her blog which was then taken down post haste once spotted?

"However, by some bizarre accident (Note: how could anyone possibly say it was a bizarre accident if they were posting in public? Please show where they were posting in public that you spotted them) it (the Amanda Knox case) has become all too real to us in a freakish bizarre way (Note: what is freakish and bizarre about the version you propose?) and a guy named Bruce Fisher. His contacting us is how it started (Note: Steve Moore said the case, for him, started when his wife challenged him having watched the documentary. This post which -again- was taken down immediately it was spotted absolutely contradicts that.

Sorry Bruce, I don't think anyone is buying this, not least because of the way the blog disappeared online once spotted. Absolutely not.

Did you even read what I posted to you? It doesn't seem like it since you ask -

Please show where they were posting in public that you spotted them

Here is the post again:

Michelle Moore's Mar 16, 2010 post on Amanda Knox Facebook page can be read on this thread:

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=289513668265&id=193468818894


Michelle Celestial Easterly Moore
My husband is/actually WAS an FBI agent. He's traveled world wide. Was supervisor of counter terrorism for all of Asia. For as much as he's seen, been through, been a part of, for some reason, the young girl has really affected him. Proba...bly partially because he feels helpless in helping her. He's studied every single fact on this case. He's brilliant in my opinion. And he knows law, and he knows this is one of the biggest injustices ever.

He wants to help. It honestly feels like a death to him several times a day.
If there is ANYTHING we can do to help, we are extremely passionate about what you're going through. He needs to help you. He is a problem solver. He gets things done. He's worked with several DA's. He prosecuted Neal Buford, the guys who shot up a Jewish Community Center where young children were. He had a dream career. He retired because of an amazing job opportunity when he became 50, a year ago.

If you need him in anyway, shape, or form, I know he could help you somehow. Seriously. Not your typical agent. At one point, his actual job was to get Bin Laden. Gets things done one way or another-outside the box kinda guy. If you would like to call him, feel free to write me a personal message and I will give you his cellphone #. He would like to help you. It's actually affected our family. Part of this I think is Post tramatic stess disorder for dealing with things in the Beaureu that he had to deal with. But regardless, it's real, this pain.

We're appalled at the two cents people are putting in who really have no freakin' idea of what's going on, and the true facts. Media can be very damning. And a lack of logic and looking at the evidence. And in finding out what was true and not. Thank you for listening on this. We have not stopped praying in that we are believers and we have seen God help in situations even like these--for real.

Sincerely, michelle moore
March 16 at 12:11am

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Michelle Moore posted on this Amanda Knox Facebook page that her husband had reviewed the case and wanted to help. An Innocentisti saw the post and told Bruce among others. Bruce then contacted them and Steve's articles on Injusticeinpergia came out of it. Bruce Fisher did not go out seeking a random retired FBI agent. Steve and Michelle Moore did not lie about how they became involved in the case. Perhaps you should apologize to the three of them.

 

[Fulcanelli]

You go first. Show us a video of Amanda Knox freaking out and killing someone.

Sure, just as soon as you show me one of Rudy Guede doing same.

 

[Chris C]

Sure, just as soon as you show me one of Rudy Guede doing same.

Yep but there is 1 eyewitness that he freaked out on and threatened with a knife.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Not that interesting, you previously made the comparison and I responded HERE.

On a more current (if related) topic, do you think sneering at a young rape/murder victim (even by implication) is good PR.
I'm of the opinion much of the campaign is at (& appeals to) this 'atavistic' level but letting the mask slip is not a good move. No ?

What comment have I made that you read as "sneering at a young rape/murder victim"?

 

[Fulcanelli]

Fulcanelli, you've yet again missed a point.

I posted that video to show how easy it is to climb up the wall without any kneeling on top or pulling up on fingers (as SomeAlibi thought is required) once you have a handhold.
Rudy didn't needed to wallrun.
He had a handhold (window frame) and a foothold (grating bar) to propel himself up that 1,5 m. I would do what he did easily, and I'm not a freerunner.
It's common sense that it's easily doable. That's why prosecution never thought of arguing otherwise. Arguing that negotiating a 1,5 m high obstacle is impossible would be madness.

No, it's you that's missing the point. I can post a video of someone running the hundred metres in under ten seconds...but that does not prove Rudy, you or I can run it in under ten seconds. Your video proves nothing, only the stupidity of some that think it proves anything.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Micheli stated it was possible for Guede to have entered through the window. There is no evidence anyone entered Filomena's room through the broken window.

Investigators concluded it was a staged break in. Knox and Sollecito were found guilty of staging a crime scene and given jail time for it. Guede was not.

As well as plenty of evidence that they didn't.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Here's a scrawny little kid pulling himself up a 12ft wall - and he's even wearing gloves!

Show me one of Rudy doing it at the cottage and I'll be impressed. Until then...

 

[platonov]

What comment have I made that you read as "sneering at a young rape/murder victim"?

Not you - see HERE and HERE

If you don't wish to respond that's fine, more importantly Bruce Fisher didn't and it was to him the question was posed.

Draw your own conclusions, I already have (actually not quite true, it just reinforces a previously held, evidence based opinion)

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Not you - see HERE

If you don't wish to respond that's fine, more importantly Bruce Fisher didn't and it was to him the question was posed.

Draw your own conclusions, I already have (actually not quite true, it just reinforces a previously held, evidence based opinion)

I answered the question in a response to SomeAlibi. It doesn't really matter what my response was. Your opinion is already firmly entrenched and I am confident that the truth will have no influence on you.

 

[Fulcanelli]

You are the one who asserted "At night that area isn't lit, being at the back of the house rather then the front areas which are close to the road and street lights."

You shouldn't seem so certain until you are sure of the status of that light. It very well could have been that Filomena's window was only brightly illuminated by the headlights of passing cars but the balcony was constantly illuminated by that light. It just may make a huge difference in a burgular's point-of-entry choice.

I'm certain because those that have actually BEEN to the cottage and seen it have stated that area is dark at night.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Yep but there is 1 eyewitness that he freaked out on and threatened with a knife.

No, there isn't. See my earlier posts on the matter.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Not you - see HERE and HERE

If you don't wish to respond that's fine, more importantly Bruce Fisher didn't and it was to him the question was posed.

Draw your own conclusions, I already have (actually not quite true, it just reinforces a previously held, evidence based opinion)

The comment regarding the flowers has nothing at all to do with Meredith Kercher. You can twist it anyway you like. The comment was in reference to SomeAlibi's disturbing profanity laced rant when a reporter allegedly made a mistake in describing flowers.

 

[moodstream]

Burglary, theft and assault are the stock in trade for any criminal solicitors. I'm well into 3 figures for the number of burglary cases I've been involved with. I've spent more hours than I can tell in interview and, in the early days, in cells before the day's hearing and during the breaks with every sort of burglar from the frequent drugs-related cases to the career burglars who all have very specific do's and don't's in their MO's. The most well-off one I can think of specialised in stealing CPU's from computers in educational establishments. His brother, after conviction, said that he was making £100k a year tax free and this is early nineties. Unfortunately for him he got caught burglarising the college that the judge had attended. When the judge said "my alma mater" we all realised he was going down for a proper chunk and he absolutely did. So yes, burglary is, safe to say, something I know quite a lot about.

If we look at the picture of the solicitor during the reconstruction, I do think the climb, if possible is a pretty major pull-up with finger / hand strength. Do you not?

http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image.php?album_id=21&image_id=1454

It would make a fool out of me, trying to hoist myself up there. Now, when I was young and spry, that might be different. And, Rudy Guede superimposed into the spot the solicitor is ( has anyone photoshop-ed that?), and it could start to look a lot easier. Beside, even today, no longer young and svelt, I still might be able to do it if I had to, although I wouldn't want anyone to watch.

 

[Draca]

Not you - see HERE and HERE

If you don't wish to respond that's fine, more importantly Bruce Fisher didn't and it was to him the question was posed.

Draw your own conclusions, I already have (actually not quite true, it just reinforces a previously held, evidence based opinion)

Platonov,

No one sneered at Meredith Kercher in any way. SomeAlibi had a rant because a reporter called his silk flowers plastic flowers in an article and Bruce made a dig at his rant.


Here is Bruce's post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6670663&postcount=21408


SomeAlibi, I will say your silk flowers were very beautiful.

 

[Chris C]

No, there isn't. See my earlier posts on the matter.

And yet there are earlier posts showing that he did indeed pull a knife on someone and his reason for breaking into the place and pulling a knife on the lady. Wait for it, wait for it, oh it was because he had permission to break into the place and sleep there.

Still, I'm waiting for you and somealibi to explain this below statement to me.

So then if there was a watch and a clock, then according to his testimony Knox and Sollecito didn't leave the court until after 11:30. How does this fit with somealibi's/prosecutions theory that Knox, Sollecito and Guede was getting wasted between 8:30pm and 11:30pm. Or are you now going to say he was wrong about them leaving, wrong about their arrival, wrong about Guede not being at the court with them. Heck he even said they where there after 11:30. How does that fit in with Meredith's TOD. If Knox and Sollecito are at the court till 11:30pm or later. When does Rudy start doing the following list below.

Rudy still has to:
Take a crap, drink from the fridge,
Beat up Meredith, sexually assault her, stab her in the neck,
Go fetch towels from the bathroom and wash his hands,
Come back to her while she is still alive and leave the towels with her body, Rummage through her purse and then leave.
Go home and change cloths,
Then go clubbing.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

It would make a fool out of me, trying to hoist myself up there. Now, when I was young and spy, that might be different. And, Rudy Guede superimposed into the spot the solicitor is ( has anyone photoshop-ed that?), and it could start to look a lot easier. Beside, even today, no longer young and svelt, I still might be able to do it if I had to, although I wouldn't want anyone to watch.

Fulcanelli has pretty much made it clear that 10,000 people could climb through that window and he would still not accept the fact that Rudy could have easily done it unless he actually saw Rudy climb through in person. There is no way to reason with his position. It doesn't make his position correct, just unreasonable.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Not you - see HERE and HERE

If you don't wish to respond that's fine, more importantly Bruce Fisher didn't and it was to him the question was posed.

Draw your own conclusions, I already have (actually not quite true, it just reinforces a previously held, evidence based opinion)

Let's not lose focus here. The focus should be on the fact that SomeAlibi wrote an article that is false. I have stated the facts on this forum. Now it is up to SomeAlibi to stop spreading misinformation.

 

[Chris C]

Let's not lose focus here. The focus should be on the fact that SomeAlibi wrote an article that is false. I have stated the facts on this forum. Now it is up to SomeAlibi to stop spreading misinformation.

Yeah i never understood why someone would get upset about someone putting plastic flowers up at the crime scene.

 

[Withnail1969]

This is ridiculous. Where's your evidence that Curatolo had mental problems? And simpletons don read the Expresso.

He didn't have a watch when asked to show one? You are aware he was asked to show the court his watch well over a year after the night of the crime? Anything may have happened to it in the course of a year. And you are also aware that he testified that he also looked at the clock that is present at the basketball court?

I got the information about Curatolo's mental condition from Frank, who knows Perugia better than any of us.