alfaniner
Penultimate Amazing
c4ts said:
I thought you launched cats with a catapult.
(mrrrREOOWWRRR!!!)
Proof of God's existence! 1 million dollar challenge at the end! Randi better pay-up!
I thought you launched cats with a catapult.
(mrrrREOOWWRRR!!!)
muscleman
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FINISHING TOUCH ON THE TOPIC OF "PHYSICS" AND "CHANCE"....
This is where your going to ask.. "So you claim that there are series of intelligent causes, but you stopped when we asked who created God?"
Listen, there are far more proofs that we exist through series of intelligent causes... For instance, you came from your parents (intelligent cause) and them from your granparents, so forth.. All the way back to millions of years...
This proves that for millions of years, it is proven intelligent causes exist...
Now lets talk about the existence of nature...
It is scientifically proven that the laws of physics is proven to exist, the thing here is that we dont know all of the laws of physics.
How did the laws of physics came to existence? You insist that they are responsible for life forms to exist, and there is nothing "accidental" concerning it, for they are done in purpose (Just as if you drop a ball, intentionally or not, it will fall as it is the law of physics. You may say u dropped it accidentally, but the effects are not "Accidental", but simply a law.)
But the word "accidental" still does come in the picture...It comes in the picture when how did the laws "happen" to be in "perfectly" sufficient to support life...
But to the atheists, there is simply nothing wrong with this claim of chance... For they "believe" that with all the planets, galaxies, universes out there, science can only find "Earth" to have supported life out of hundreds of thousands of planets out there...
This claim of "chance" can be likened when you play gulf blindfolded, after millions of hits, atleast one after all those hits should apperently make it to the hole (as there are millions of planets discovered, and only earth is found to have supported life...)
Now, there is simply something wrong with this claim. First of all, to claim that "The odds of life form existing is a million to one" is to say "Space have huge walls made out of brick covering us, we are like in the bedroom.." How stupid..
Atheists have no right to say that the odds of life existing is a million to one, for that means that a million to one is all there is to it, and after that, somewhere far in the space is a huge brick wall where there are no more planets than there akready is.
FIRST OF ALL, MAKING SUCH COMMENTS IS PURE STUPIDITY, FOR NON-LIFE TO EXIST COULD BE MILLIONS OF PLANETS TO 1 OUT THERE, OPPOSITE OF WHAT THERE IS HERE...
Again, this kind of analogy concerning how the laws of physics came to existence on planet earth is completely stupid...
The better analogy in order to explain how life came to earth, is to use the method that works in planet earth where life is detected. "NOT WHATS OUT THERE THAT WE DONT KNOW OF WHERE LIFE ISNT DETECTED", BUT WE SHOULD USE THE METHOD HERE ON EARTH THAT WE KNOW OF WHERE LIFE IS DETECTED, SO MAYBE WE CAN EXPLAIN HOW LIFE CAME TO EXISTENCE....
Again lets use analogy in planet earth AND NOT BE CONCERNED OF "SPACE" WHERE YOU BELIEVE THERE IS A HUGE BRICK WALL AROUND US...
Is it possible that the laws of physics exist through "Chance"?
Here I have this to explain...
In this analogy, let us not go beyond what already exist in our realm, for instance "HOW DID "SOMETHING" CREATE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS?", but let us instead say "How did the laws of physics create life?"
Let us use an analogy, let us say that the laws of physics creating a life form were billions of monkeys typing on computers... The monkeys (laws of physics) typed over and over again, typing, meaning, attempting to create life over and over again.... (like famous atheists (to me a comedian) Richard Dawkins was saying, if you strike millions of times playing gulf blindfolded, eventually atleast one will make it in the hole...)
Now let us say that billions of monkeys finally typed all of Shakespeare "Hamlet" after billions of billions of tries, what now? Should the monkeys stopped afterwards? No, the monkey having no intelligence & purpose to type all of hamlet will type again, and again until all of hamlet eventually fades away and being replaced with "FSAIHFKNMB KJSDFJHNLJL BFPOIQWJM".....
That is like the Laws of physics creating a life by "chance"... the laws of physics cannot just accidentally create "DNA" which "reproduce' to the point where chains of life came to existence and all of its "sifficient needs", feeding that "accidental design", it cannot be if "chance" is used.
That would be like the monkey typing all of hamlet after billions of billions of tries then all of a sudden typing all of hamlet over and over again.
Or that would be like a gulfer being blindfolded playing gulf, after millions of tries, finally one went in the hole, then from there, with the blindfold still on, he repitiously makes it in the hole over and over again....
THE LAWS OF PHYSICS "FEED" ITS "DESIGN", THE LAWS OF PHYSICS DOESNT "IGNORE" ITS DESIGN AFTER IT HAS CAME TO EXISTENCE. THE LAWS OF PHYSICS CONTROLL THE EXISTENCE OF ITS DESIGN.. IF THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE BEING "THROWN IN ALL DIRECTIONS, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, CHANGED TO THROWING IN ONE DIRECTION, THIS IS ILLOGICAL (SUCH AS NON LIFE, TO LIFE...)".
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A LIFE CAN EXIST BY CHANCE (LIKE THE MONKEYS TYPING ALL OF HAMLET), BUT THEN IT WOULD BE ONE LIFE, AND THEN NO LIFE FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS, THEN LIFE AGAIN, JUST AS MILLIONS OF MONKEYS TYPING ALL OF HAMLET, THEN MILLIONS OF YEARS OF "HFGIHNBJMP...", THEN THE MONKEYS TYPED ALL OF HAMLET AGAIN....
BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.. IN THE REAL WORLD, LIFE IS ABUNDANT AND IS EVERYWHERE, EVERY SECOND, OF EVERYDAY, LIFE REPRODUCE, ALL SUPPORTED BY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS...
FROM HERE, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY TELL THAT "LIFE HAS ALWAYS EXISTED IF THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ALWAYS EXISTED.....
THIS IS HOW LIFE CAME TO EXISTENCE, HOW OUR NATURE WORKS.. LET US NOT USE THE METHOD IN MOON, AND JUPITER WHERE THERE IS NO LIFE, AND USE THE LAWS THERE WHERE THERE IS NO LIFE, THEN APPLY IT HERE ON EARTH WHERE THERE IS LIFE.....
THAT DOESNT WORK... THAT WOULD BE LIKE ME ASKING A TEACHER OF VALLEY DANCING TO COACH ME HOW TO WRESTLE...
AGAIN, FROM HERE, WE CAN TELL CONSIDERING THAT LIFE CURRENTLY SPEAKING HAS ALWAYS EXISTED (FOR THE PAST MILLIONS OF YEARS, IN EVERY SECOND AND MILLI-SECONDS.)
IF THIS WAS THE CASE, IT IS ALWAYS LIFE TO LIFE, NOT NON LIFE TO LIFE, FOR EVEN IF IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR NON-LIFE TO CREATE LIFE BY "CHANCE"... AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE LIKE ONE LIFE FOR 20 YRS, THEN NO LIFE FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS, THEN LIFE AGAIN FOR THE NEXT 20 YRS, THEN NO LIFE FOR BILLIONS OF YRS AFTYERWARDS...
THIS IS NOT ONLY STUPID, BUT NOT REAL IN OUR NATURE WHERE LIFE EXIST...THAT MUST BE THE CASE IN "ATHEISTIC CULT PLANET", SOMEWHERE FAR FAR AWAY... BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE ON PLANET EARTH, WHERE LIFE IS ABUNDANT...
NOW WHAT ANALOGY DID I USE FOR "NON-LIFE" TO LIFE? I USED A MONKEY WHO HAVE INTELLIGENCE...
SO NOW, IN REALITY, FOR NON LIFE TO LIFE, THE REAL ANALOGY IS AN EARTHQUAKE, WIND, AND HURRICANE CREATING A LIFE FORM, THEN TAKING CARE OF IT AND SUPPORTING IT...
AS IF THE EARTHQUAKE PAMPERED THE NEW LIFE FORM. THE LIGHTNING GAVE IT WATER, THEN THE HURRICANE BREAST FED IT, THEN IT DIED BECAUSE THE HURRICANE CHOKED THE BABY DINOSAUR. BUT THE EARTHQUAKE, WIND, AND HURRICANE TRIED AGAIN AND AGAIN FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS UNTIL EVENTUALLY THEY WERE ABLE TO RAISE A BABY DINOSAUR UNTIL THE AGE OF 30, BUT THEN IT DIED AFTER WARDS, AND THEY TRIED AGAIN FOR THE NEXT BILLIONS OF YEARS...
THAT IS THE "ALMOST EXACT" ANALOGY WHEN PROPOSING LIFE EXIST FROM NON-LIFE....
I HEARD AN ATHEIST EARLIER SAID "WHY SHOULD WE CONCERN OURSELVES WITH ANOTHER REALITY? WE SHOULD CONCERN OURSELVES ONLY WITH OUR REALITY"...
STUPID ATHEIST GUY, IF YOU MEANT WHAT YOU SAID, THEN YOU WOULD BE A BELIEVER OF GOD BY NOW......
AGAIN, FROM THIS ARGUMENT, THE LAWS OF PHYSICS CREATES LIFE BY "PURPOSE" AND NOT BY "ACCIDENT" OR BY "CHANCE"....
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AGAIN, WE ARE USING THE METHOD THAT WORKS ON PLANET EARTH, NOT IN MARS OR PLUTO WHERE LIFE ISNT DETECTED..
IN PLANET EARTH, ANYTHING THAT DESIGNS AN "INDEPENDENT" AND "SELF SUFFICIENT" EXISTENCE, ARE CONSCIOUS INTELLIGENT ENTITIES (HUMAN BEINGS.). A COMPUTER IS AN EXAMPLE. IT CAN BE SELF SUFFICIENT (IF WE USE SOLAR POWER FOR ITS ELECTRICAL USE..), IT CAN MULTIPLY AND REPRODUCE (IN THE SCIENTIFIC WORLD, WE CAN CREATE A COMPUTER CHIP WHICH CREATES ANOTHER COMPUTERS..). MAYBE ONE DAY, WE CAN CREATE A ROBOT WITH ALMOST HUMAN LIKE INTELLIGENCE...
IN THE REAL WORLD, IN PLANET EARTH, ONLY "INTELLIGENT", AND "CONSCIOUS" EXISTENCE ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THESE, AND AS ONE ATHEISTS EARLIER SAID, "WE SHOULD NOT CONCERN OURSELVES WITH OTHER REALITIES THAT WE DONT KNOW AND MAY NEVER KNOW OF", SUCH AS NON-LIFE TO LIFE. OR HURRICANE AND EARTHQUAKE CREATING A LIFE......
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SO FROM HERE, WE CAN LOGICALLY PROVE THAT THERE IS AN "INTELLIGENT DESIGNER" WHO CREATES LIFE BY "PURPOSE". WHO IS ETERNAL (WHO CREATED GOD....WHO CREATED THAT WHO CREATED GOD.....WHO CREATED THE ONE WHO CREATED THE CREATOR OF GOD, ETC. ETC. ETC. INFINITY..), ALSO IS IN CONTROL OF ITS DESIGN...
HMMMM I WONDER WHO MIGHT THAT BE... INTELLIGENT........ETERNAL............IN CONTROL...........THAT SOUNDS LIKE GOD TO ME.........WHO DO YOU THINK THAT IS? STEVEN SPIELBERG???
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BUT ATHEISTS DO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT....
THEY ARE AWARE OF "QUANTUM GHOSTLY PHYSICS"... THEY KNOW THE LAWS OF PHYSICS EXIST, BUT THEY CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW IT EXIST.....
THEY KNOW IT EXIST, BUT THEY CANNOT "CLEARLY UNDERSTAND" HOW IT WORKS....
TO THEM. QUANTUM GHOSTLY PHYSICS IS IMMEASURABLE....UNFATHOMABLE...INCALCULABLE....INCOMPREHENSIBLE....INVISIBLE............IN CONTROL (OMNIPOTENT)....
WOW!!
NOW THIS IS WHAT THEIST BELIEVE ABOUT GOD...
OMNISCIENT...OMNIPOTENT....OMNIPRESENT....UNFATHOMABLE...IMMEASURABLE....
DO YOU SEE ANY SIMILARITIES?
I SEE THE LINK....
LAWS OF NATURE AND LAWS OF PHYSICS IS PROVEN TO EXIST, BUT SCIENTISTS CANNOT EXPPLAIN HOW IT WORKS....
JUST AS GOD IS PROVEN TO EXIST TO THOSE WHO EXPERIENCED HIM, BUT WE DONOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE REALLY IS......
THIS REMINDS ME OF THE CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM DEBATE..
WHERE THE MUSLIM ACKNOWLEDGE IN THE BOOK OF QURAN "THE ANTI-CHRIST".. WELL JESUS IS THE CHRIST, SO IF THIS ANTI-CHRIST IS EVIL, SHOULDNT JESUS BE GOOD?
ONE OF THEM IS PART RIGHT, BUT PART WRONG, THE OTHER ONE HOWEVER IS COMPLETELY RIGHT.......
HMMM, THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN ATHEIST AND A THEIST..ONE IS PART RIGHT, BUT THE OTHER IS COMPLETELY RIGHT........
The Fool said:
This is where your going to ask.. "So you claim that there are series of intelligent causes, but you stopped when we asked who created God?"
Listen, there are far more proofs that we exist through series of intelligent causes... For instance, you came from your parents (intelligent cause) and them from your granparents, so forth.. All the way back to millions of years...
This proves that for millions of years, it is proven intelligent causes exist...
Now lets talk about the existence of nature...
It is scientifically proven that the laws of physics is proven to exist, the thing here is that we dont know all of the laws of physics.
How did the laws of physics came to existence? You insist that they are responsible for life forms to exist, and there is nothing "accidental" concerning it, for they are done in purpose (Just as if you drop a ball, intentionally or not, it will fall as it is the law of physics. You may say u dropped it accidentally, but the effects are not "Accidental", but simply a law.)
But the word "accidental" still does come in the picture...It comes in the picture when how did the laws "happen" to be in "perfectly" sufficient to support life...
But to the atheists, there is simply nothing wrong with this claim of chance... For they "believe" that with all the planets, galaxies, universes out there, science can only find "Earth" to have supported life out of hundreds of thousands of planets out there...
This claim of "chance" can be likened when you play gulf blindfolded, after millions of hits, atleast one after all those hits should apperently make it to the hole (as there are millions of planets discovered, and only earth is found to have supported life...)
Now, there is simply something wrong with this claim. First of all, to claim that "The odds of life form existing is a million to one" is to say "Space have huge walls made out of brick covering us, we are like in the bedroom.." How stupid..
Atheists have no right to say that the odds of life existing is a million to one, for that means that a million to one is all there is to it, and after that, somewhere far in the space is a huge brick wall where there are no more planets than there akready is.
FIRST OF ALL, MAKING SUCH COMMENTS IS PURE STUPIDITY, FOR NON-LIFE TO EXIST COULD BE MILLIONS OF PLANETS TO 1 OUT THERE, OPPOSITE OF WHAT THERE IS HERE...
Again, this kind of analogy concerning how the laws of physics came to existence on planet earth is completely stupid...
The better analogy in order to explain how life came to earth, is to use the method that works in planet earth where life is detected. "NOT WHATS OUT THERE THAT WE DONT KNOW OF WHERE LIFE ISNT DETECTED", BUT WE SHOULD USE THE METHOD HERE ON EARTH THAT WE KNOW OF WHERE LIFE IS DETECTED, SO MAYBE WE CAN EXPLAIN HOW LIFE CAME TO EXISTENCE....
Again lets use analogy in planet earth AND NOT BE CONCERNED OF "SPACE" WHERE YOU BELIEVE THERE IS A HUGE BRICK WALL AROUND US...
Is it possible that the laws of physics exist through "Chance"?
Here I have this to explain...
In this analogy, let us not go beyond what already exist in our realm, for instance "HOW DID "SOMETHING" CREATE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS?", but let us instead say "How did the laws of physics create life?"
Let us use an analogy, let us say that the laws of physics creating a life form were billions of monkeys typing on computers... The monkeys (laws of physics) typed over and over again, typing, meaning, attempting to create life over and over again.... (like famous atheists (to me a comedian) Richard Dawkins was saying, if you strike millions of times playing gulf blindfolded, eventually atleast one will make it in the hole...)
Now let us say that billions of monkeys finally typed all of Shakespeare "Hamlet" after billions of billions of tries, what now? Should the monkeys stopped afterwards? No, the monkey having no intelligence & purpose to type all of hamlet will type again, and again until all of hamlet eventually fades away and being replaced with "FSAIHFKNMB KJSDFJHNLJL BFPOIQWJM".....
That is like the Laws of physics creating a life by "chance"... the laws of physics cannot just accidentally create "DNA" which "reproduce' to the point where chains of life came to existence and all of its "sifficient needs", feeding that "accidental design", it cannot be if "chance" is used.
That would be like the monkey typing all of hamlet after billions of billions of tries then all of a sudden typing all of hamlet over and over again.
Or that would be like a gulfer being blindfolded playing gulf, after millions of tries, finally one went in the hole, then from there, with the blindfold still on, he repitiously makes it in the hole over and over again....
THE LAWS OF PHYSICS "FEED" ITS "DESIGN", THE LAWS OF PHYSICS DOESNT "IGNORE" ITS DESIGN AFTER IT HAS CAME TO EXISTENCE. THE LAWS OF PHYSICS CONTROLL THE EXISTENCE OF ITS DESIGN.. IF THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE BEING "THROWN IN ALL DIRECTIONS, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, CHANGED TO THROWING IN ONE DIRECTION, THIS IS ILLOGICAL (SUCH AS NON LIFE, TO LIFE...)".
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A LIFE CAN EXIST BY CHANCE (LIKE THE MONKEYS TYPING ALL OF HAMLET), BUT THEN IT WOULD BE ONE LIFE, AND THEN NO LIFE FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS, THEN LIFE AGAIN, JUST AS MILLIONS OF MONKEYS TYPING ALL OF HAMLET, THEN MILLIONS OF YEARS OF "HFGIHNBJMP...", THEN THE MONKEYS TYPED ALL OF HAMLET AGAIN....
BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.. IN THE REAL WORLD, LIFE IS ABUNDANT AND IS EVERYWHERE, EVERY SECOND, OF EVERYDAY, LIFE REPRODUCE, ALL SUPPORTED BY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS...
FROM HERE, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY TELL THAT "LIFE HAS ALWAYS EXISTED IF THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ALWAYS EXISTED.....
THIS IS HOW LIFE CAME TO EXISTENCE, HOW OUR NATURE WORKS.. LET US NOT USE THE METHOD IN MOON, AND JUPITER WHERE THERE IS NO LIFE, AND USE THE LAWS THERE WHERE THERE IS NO LIFE, THEN APPLY IT HERE ON EARTH WHERE THERE IS LIFE.....
THAT DOESNT WORK... THAT WOULD BE LIKE ME ASKING A TEACHER OF VALLEY DANCING TO COACH ME HOW TO WRESTLE...
AGAIN, FROM HERE, WE CAN TELL CONSIDERING THAT LIFE CURRENTLY SPEAKING HAS ALWAYS EXISTED (FOR THE PAST MILLIONS OF YEARS, IN EVERY SECOND AND MILLI-SECONDS.)
IF THIS WAS THE CASE, IT IS ALWAYS LIFE TO LIFE, NOT NON LIFE TO LIFE, FOR EVEN IF IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR NON-LIFE TO CREATE LIFE BY "CHANCE"... AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE LIKE ONE LIFE FOR 20 YRS, THEN NO LIFE FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS, THEN LIFE AGAIN FOR THE NEXT 20 YRS, THEN NO LIFE FOR BILLIONS OF YRS AFTYERWARDS...
THIS IS NOT ONLY STUPID, BUT NOT REAL IN OUR NATURE WHERE LIFE EXIST...THAT MUST BE THE CASE IN "ATHEISTIC CULT PLANET", SOMEWHERE FAR FAR AWAY... BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE ON PLANET EARTH, WHERE LIFE IS ABUNDANT...
NOW WHAT ANALOGY DID I USE FOR "NON-LIFE" TO LIFE? I USED A MONKEY WHO HAVE INTELLIGENCE...
SO NOW, IN REALITY, FOR NON LIFE TO LIFE, THE REAL ANALOGY IS AN EARTHQUAKE, WIND, AND HURRICANE CREATING A LIFE FORM, THEN TAKING CARE OF IT AND SUPPORTING IT...
AS IF THE EARTHQUAKE PAMPERED THE NEW LIFE FORM. THE LIGHTNING GAVE IT WATER, THEN THE HURRICANE BREAST FED IT, THEN IT DIED BECAUSE THE HURRICANE CHOKED THE BABY DINOSAUR. BUT THE EARTHQUAKE, WIND, AND HURRICANE TRIED AGAIN AND AGAIN FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS UNTIL EVENTUALLY THEY WERE ABLE TO RAISE A BABY DINOSAUR UNTIL THE AGE OF 30, BUT THEN IT DIED AFTER WARDS, AND THEY TRIED AGAIN FOR THE NEXT BILLIONS OF YEARS...
THAT IS THE "ALMOST EXACT" ANALOGY WHEN PROPOSING LIFE EXIST FROM NON-LIFE....
I HEARD AN ATHEIST EARLIER SAID "WHY SHOULD WE CONCERN OURSELVES WITH ANOTHER REALITY? WE SHOULD CONCERN OURSELVES ONLY WITH OUR REALITY"...
STUPID ATHEIST GUY, IF YOU MEANT WHAT YOU SAID, THEN YOU WOULD BE A BELIEVER OF GOD BY NOW......
AGAIN, FROM THIS ARGUMENT, THE LAWS OF PHYSICS CREATES LIFE BY "PURPOSE" AND NOT BY "ACCIDENT" OR BY "CHANCE"....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
AGAIN, WE ARE USING THE METHOD THAT WORKS ON PLANET EARTH, NOT IN MARS OR PLUTO WHERE LIFE ISNT DETECTED..
IN PLANET EARTH, ANYTHING THAT DESIGNS AN "INDEPENDENT" AND "SELF SUFFICIENT" EXISTENCE, ARE CONSCIOUS INTELLIGENT ENTITIES (HUMAN BEINGS.). A COMPUTER IS AN EXAMPLE. IT CAN BE SELF SUFFICIENT (IF WE USE SOLAR POWER FOR ITS ELECTRICAL USE..), IT CAN MULTIPLY AND REPRODUCE (IN THE SCIENTIFIC WORLD, WE CAN CREATE A COMPUTER CHIP WHICH CREATES ANOTHER COMPUTERS..). MAYBE ONE DAY, WE CAN CREATE A ROBOT WITH ALMOST HUMAN LIKE INTELLIGENCE...
IN THE REAL WORLD, IN PLANET EARTH, ONLY "INTELLIGENT", AND "CONSCIOUS" EXISTENCE ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THESE, AND AS ONE ATHEISTS EARLIER SAID, "WE SHOULD NOT CONCERN OURSELVES WITH OTHER REALITIES THAT WE DONT KNOW AND MAY NEVER KNOW OF", SUCH AS NON-LIFE TO LIFE. OR HURRICANE AND EARTHQUAKE CREATING A LIFE......
------------------------------------------------------------
SO FROM HERE, WE CAN LOGICALLY PROVE THAT THERE IS AN "INTELLIGENT DESIGNER" WHO CREATES LIFE BY "PURPOSE". WHO IS ETERNAL (WHO CREATED GOD....WHO CREATED THAT WHO CREATED GOD.....WHO CREATED THE ONE WHO CREATED THE CREATOR OF GOD, ETC. ETC. ETC. INFINITY..), ALSO IS IN CONTROL OF ITS DESIGN...
HMMMM I WONDER WHO MIGHT THAT BE... INTELLIGENT........ETERNAL............IN CONTROL...........THAT SOUNDS LIKE GOD TO ME.........WHO DO YOU THINK THAT IS? STEVEN SPIELBERG???
---------------------------------
BUT ATHEISTS DO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT....
THEY ARE AWARE OF "QUANTUM GHOSTLY PHYSICS"... THEY KNOW THE LAWS OF PHYSICS EXIST, BUT THEY CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW IT EXIST.....
THEY KNOW IT EXIST, BUT THEY CANNOT "CLEARLY UNDERSTAND" HOW IT WORKS....
TO THEM. QUANTUM GHOSTLY PHYSICS IS IMMEASURABLE....UNFATHOMABLE...INCALCULABLE....INCOMPREHENSIBLE....INVISIBLE............IN CONTROL (OMNIPOTENT)....
WOW!!
NOW THIS IS WHAT THEIST BELIEVE ABOUT GOD...
OMNISCIENT...OMNIPOTENT....OMNIPRESENT....UNFATHOMABLE...IMMEASURABLE....
DO YOU SEE ANY SIMILARITIES?
I SEE THE LINK....
LAWS OF NATURE AND LAWS OF PHYSICS IS PROVEN TO EXIST, BUT SCIENTISTS CANNOT EXPPLAIN HOW IT WORKS....
JUST AS GOD IS PROVEN TO EXIST TO THOSE WHO EXPERIENCED HIM, BUT WE DONOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE REALLY IS......
THIS REMINDS ME OF THE CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM DEBATE..
WHERE THE MUSLIM ACKNOWLEDGE IN THE BOOK OF QURAN "THE ANTI-CHRIST".. WELL JESUS IS THE CHRIST, SO IF THIS ANTI-CHRIST IS EVIL, SHOULDNT JESUS BE GOOD?
ONE OF THEM IS PART RIGHT, BUT PART WRONG, THE OTHER ONE HOWEVER IS COMPLETELY RIGHT.......
HMMM, THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN ATHEIST AND A THEIST..ONE IS PART RIGHT, BUT THE OTHER IS COMPLETELY RIGHT........
muscleman
Unregistered
M
Wow, maybe u guys are an example of those who cant help it but live & think stupidly..LOL, seriously. Ossai said that in order for something to control, it need to be conscious... Even his own brainwashed cult members went against his own comment...
Even I used the definition of the dictionary...
AND I AM STILL WRONG, AND ATHEISTS ARE RIGHT...
Wow, I mean Im not saying you guys are the one destined to hell (who deserves it), and who is not written in the book of life...
But I have my opinions and Ill keep it to myself, maybe its u guys, or maybe its not. I dont know...
Even I used the definition of the dictionary...
AND I AM STILL WRONG, AND ATHEISTS ARE RIGHT...
Wow, I mean Im not saying you guys are the one destined to hell (who deserves it), and who is not written in the book of life...
But I have my opinions and Ill keep it to myself, maybe its u guys, or maybe its not. I dont know...
wraith
Muse
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MRC_Hans said:Could you at least TRY to suppress your compulsory strawman reflex? I was making an example of how a conscious being in a given situation was effectively controlled by something non-conscious.
And I was certainly not talking about my thoughts.
Hans
Are you more than youre thoughts/perceptions?
In your example of the boat, sure if Im out in the sea in a small row boat, the wind and currents would be controlling the movements of the boat, but in no way are they controlling me.
Unless you look at the whole picture and see that the elements of nature are a product of TLOP, in this case, TLOP is controlling me in any case....
muscleman said:
But the Bible gives lists of ancestors back to the Creation, which was therefore about 4000 years ago.
So why do you think life on this planet is millions of years old?
(Or, as you would presumably say "this PROVES muscleman is wrong.")
You mentioned at the beginning of the thread that we could only believe in the chance of winning a lottery because we knew people had won some already.
So what were the chances of winning the first ever lottery?
Since there had been no winners, presumably you would say "there is NO CHANCE of a winner."
But somebody DID win that first lottery. So your argument is wrong.
Similarly we only know that life exists on one planet. But if this was the planet with the right conditions for abiogenesis, then we would expect to find ourselves here. Without the need for God.
Incidentally if you need an example of 'NO CHANCE', then use the one of you becoming an instant millionaire.
Tricky
Briefly immortal
Then you are exhibiting a double-standard, wraith. When you say you control a car, are you talking about controlling the car's thoughts? Somehow I doubt that you would be that foolish. No, you are talking about controlling actions. But now you insist for a virus to control you it has to control both your thoughts and actions? Keep it consistant, lad.wraith said:
Of course, the virus does control some of your thoughts. It forces you to think, "Damn, I feel like crap."
Hey muscleman,
One of the reasons you aren't taken more seriously is you have nothing origional. Why not go look at the Bad Apologetics thread and catch up on what other fundies think instead of spouting the same drivel over and over.
Ossai
One of the reasons you aren't taken more seriously is you have nothing origional. Why not go look at the Bad Apologetics thread and catch up on what other fundies think instead of spouting the same drivel over and over.
Ossai
Ipecac
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Hey, Muscleman, thanks for the info! I didn't realize that atheists had determined that life only exists on Earth. I thought the jury was still out on that issue since we've explored only a handful of the planets in the universe.
I'm thrilled to know that we've somehow ruled all those other planets out.
I'm thrilled to know that we've somehow ruled all those other planets out.
Assuming that you (tricky) are more evolved than a dog …
If I put you and a dog on a deserted island and I leave you there for a year and then come back I would assume to find You controlling the Dog before I would see the Dog controlling you.
But that doesn’t mean that the dog might not kill you and eat you (killing is a form of control) a few days after you are there. It is certainly possible for a dog to kill a man, just as it is possible for a virus to kill a man.
But if I was going to place a bet on a fight between you and a dog, I would bet on you. Especially if you had a machete, or a gun and some Kevlar body armor.