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North Korea fires artillery on the South

I been to Seoul Last year and it is such a beautiful place, The North Korea issue has been going for way to long if this goes any further it will such a shame that the UN or even the The Asian Tigers have not found a way to a least reduce the risk of attacks
 
As recently as 2002 - A US General...sorry I dont recall his name, argued these dams are the best weapon the north has if it ever launched an offense against the south. He argued the flooding these dams could cause would slow counter attacks from the south by as much as 35 hours

How far would the flooding go, because any flooding that halted a counterattack would also halt an advance? Moreso for the NK because they would be at the mercy of US air power in the midst of a swamp, assuming they didn't just breach the dams and leave it at that.
 
How far would the flooding go, because any flooding that halted a counterattack would also halt an advance? Moreso for the NK because they would be at the mercy of US air power in the midst of a swamp, assuming they didn't just breach the dams and leave it at that.

I dont think he was refering to direct combat bu the ability to stage and deploy. The other joker in the pack is these tunnels they have supposed to have dug. So there is a chance soldiers could be popping up anywhere
 
Right now theres alot of concern that this little skirmish could escalate but im have trouble finding some sort of gain for NK should war break out. IF NK thought they had a chance in hell of winning they would have done it long ago.

Well the leadership in the North welcomes the chance to fight amageddon, if official policy is to be believed they desire it very deeply.

Kim Jong recently seems to be more erratic than normal. This could be his own stablity fading or the army is just flexing its muscles in preperation for the leadership change.

Or God forbid, the army has started believing its own propaganda and actually thinks it could win a conflict it starts.
 
Well the leadership in the North welcomes the chance to fight amageddon, if official policy is to be believed they desire it very deeply.

Kim Jong recently seems to be more erratic than normal. This could be his own stablity fading or the army is just flexing its muscles in preperation for the leadership change.

Or God forbid, the army has started believing its own propaganda and actually thinks it could win a conflict it starts.


Well it would be Armageddon for them at least. If by chance there was a nuclear exchange NK doesnt have the capabilities to hit the mainland US. Every missile launch that im aware of was a failure so im thinking that they could hit their immediate neighbors and thats about it. Conventionally we have the technology to take out every artillery piece they have with precision. We would control the air from the get go and it would be target practice so theres no logic there does not compute.

Now I could be way off wrong and they could be chain me to the floor padded walls wacko......like you said their unpredictable.
 
Well the leadership in the North welcomes the chance to fight amageddon, if official policy is to be believed they desire it very deeply.

It would be pretty easy for them to start a full scale war, why haven't they?
 
It would be pretty easy for them to start a full scale war, why haven't they?

Because to satisfy the existence of North Korea either as a military force, political entity or philosophical concept, they have to wage a total war on their own territory fighting to the last against the imperial desires of the American empire

The real answer is they have spent 50 odd years developing defensive counter measures to every offensive weapon the US have ever designed. I believe they could punch well above their weight if the US had to go in and root them out one by one

Their offense? - Even a troupe of lightly armed Italian sea scouts could beat them - and they know it
 
This cartoon highlights again the "childish" petulant stereotype of Asians, and KJI in particular so popular in American culture ever since the Philippine-American war at the turn of the 20th century.

First they stereotyped insane mass murderers as childish and I said nothing.

Then...
 
I dont think he was refering to direct combat bu the ability to stage and deploy. The other joker in the pack is these tunnels they have supposed to have dug. So there is a chance soldiers could be popping up anywhere
I think the tunnels (if there are any) are not a factor. Using today's sophisticated geophysical tools, SK would know where they are and even a small explosive at the exit permanently takes it out of action.

There are four known tunnels and I've been in the one open to the public. That one is so narrow that the soldiers could only use it in single file. NK could not mount a militarily significant force one person at a time.
 
I dont think he was refering to direct combat bu the ability to stage and deploy. The other joker in the pack is these tunnels they have supposed to have dug. So there is a chance soldiers could be popping up anywhere

Relatively small groups of lightly armed soldiers without mechanisation or support of any kind and no lines of supply aren't a major threat by themselves. The tunnels could be used to effectively infilitrate small commando units, which could launch various covert operations behind the SK/US lines and inflict quite serious damage. But a meaningful invasion through the tunnels? Nah. Even amidsts a general offensive, the impact of the infilitrating force would be minor.

North Korea does have 180,000 or so strong special forces unit, so the threat of the tunnels is still quite real. I suspect that most of that are just crack, brainwashed units who are trained and equipped to deal with internal dissident and any potentially revolting army units, but just a tenth of that number could cause significant headaches if used propertly.

I, for one, find it unlikely a whole lot of such tunnels exist. I think the official word was that 4 were found and up to 7 more suspected to exist, so I doubt there are 20 of them in total in the worst-case scenario. All would necessarily deploy very close to the front line, so they would likely be found quickly after being utilised, and be dealt with rapidly.

Tunnels were sometimes effective in WW1, they were mainly used to plant major explosive charges underneath enemy lines - sometimes with devastating effects. They might have been effective in Vietnam war, where there was no distinction between the enemy held territory and your own, due to the nature of the war. Any future war in Korea would likely resemble neither. Still, used propertly they could be a minor headache, but they wouldn't present a major factor.

McHrozni
 
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I dont think he was refering to direct combat bu the ability to stage and deploy. The other joker in the pack is these tunnels they have supposed to have dug. So there is a chance soldiers could be popping up anywhere

For the flooding, though, that still means the NK would be unable to invade. Floods are not a terribly good offensive technique..especially massive ones which you have little to no control over. Yes, when viewed simply from the one side, it makes deployment a sod...but that applies to both sides.
 
As recently as 2002 - A US General...sorry I dont recall his name, argued these dams are the best weapon the north has if it ever launched an offense against the south. He argued the flooding these dams could cause would slow counter attacks from the south by as much as 35 hours

The other joker in the pack is these tunnels they have supposed to have dug. So there is a chance soldiers could be popping up anywhere

Soldiers pre-deployed in underground tunnel complexes, and widespread flooding of the combat area? Am I the only one to notice that there's a slight incompatibility between these two strategies?

Dave
 
Soldiers pre-deployed in underground tunnel complexes, and widespread flooding of the combat area? Am I the only one to notice that there's a slight incompatibility between these two strategies?

Dave

guess you haven't read up on DPRK advanced floaties research program.
 
Soldiers pre-deployed in underground tunnel complexes, and widespread flooding of the combat area? Am I the only one to notice that there's a slight incompatibility between these two strategies?

Dave

Speaking only for myself, I thought the incompatibility was too obvious to bother commenting on.
 

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