The Freeman Movement and England

[Vladd]

That's an interesting turn of phrase.
Your "separate identity", do you have two?

I'm in two minds about it

 

[jargon buster]

Of course you are

 

[Chaos]

I'm in two minds about it

The good thing about multiple personalities is that you always have someone to talk to.

 

[Mojo]

The good thing about multiple personalities is that you always have someone to talk to.

But it gets boring because half the time you know what you're going to say next.

 

[Cuddles]

This thread is supposed to be about Freemen on the Land claims. If all you want to do is boast about being rich and complain about taxes, please find somewhere more appropriate to do so.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles

 

[jargon buster]

Having a background in freeman debunking this is a stundie, but it can go here for now
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145662&page=6
lighthouse wrote

@ consent

I live with my two roomates in an apartment. If they have agreed not to smoke in that apartment, I can only move away, or quit smoking.

Oh, I didn't give you my consent to govern me in subject of smoking.

With words you can do about anything, with reality is a little bit different.


Edit: I have never said that status we have now is nice and perfect. It's not. But neither is the runing around and doing what I want because I didn't give my consent to be stopped.

ab fab the freeman advocate wrote

You can however reach an agreement and if the outcome is not in your favour nobody is forcing you to either live there or smoke...
So you don't agree to living in that 'mini-society.'
So you leave and find something more suitable for yourself to make you happy..

How many times have the freeman been given the option of leaving a society they dont agree with and spit it back in the skeptics face, the irony here is unbelievable.

 

[pchams]

Some entertaining reading while we wait to see if the trolls return:

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/fct/doc/2009/2009fc99/2009fc99.html

That case is the latest failed attempt by an FOTL'er to distinguish between a natural person and a legal person in Canada. It's short, but emphatic. It would be more amusing if it was ruder, but hey....it's Canada!

Someone went dumpster diving on this thread, and I apologise for such a late response but, "per say"?

[FONT=&quot][24] The question submitted to the Court by the respondent contains a qualification to the term “natural person”, in that it asks not only if the definition of “person” within the Act includes “natural persons” per say but rather natural persons, “acting in their own private capacity for their own private benefit”. Thus the question which at the hearing the respondent qualified as being the fundamental underpinning of this case, that is the question of capacity. Fundamentally, each individual human being, or natural person, has a legal capacity. As the Black’s Law Dictionary[FONT=&quot][5][/FONT] makes clear, an “individual” is something which is “[e]xisting as an indivisible entity” (emphasis added). Cory Stanchfield, the human being or natural person before this Court, is an individual whose entity is indivisible. He has a legal capacity but it too is indivisible. He may act in other capacities than that of his individual capacity but only in such capacities which are recognised by law. [/FONT]

Is this a legal term I'm not familiar with, or just an illiterate supreme court justice? (sorry I'm on page 33)

/ if not the court, who is pedantic?
/ proabably appointed by Chretien

 

[pchams]

Yup. Also, look at the ratio of men to women in that video. Lots of dudes, and a few girls. Canadian law schools are, on average, 60% women. The age range is a giveaway too. There just aren't that many middle-aged men in law school here (in a class of that size).

You are committing fallacies here.
You probably know them. You're appealing to incredulity and give no evidence to your assertions. There very well could be classes of which you are unaware.

 

[pchams]

To clarify my position, I don't buy into FOTL or any such nonsense.
I only hope that smug Liberal policy makers hold themselves to the same level they hold every "woo".
Critical thinking for everyone.

 

[pchams]

BTW, someone not unlike some of the legal types here tried to sell me an immigration package. $3500.
It cost two Canadian stamps, and a 6th grade mentality to do it myself.
It's not just the "woos" who charge for stuff you don't need them for.

I can see these guys arguments. Too much government and too much legal cost. It's out of control where I am.
Insurance costs in Toronto , for example, are more than half the lease/loan cost. My costs are $2500/yr on a Pontiac Sunfire
that's 5 years old, and I have no accidents or tickets ever. I've never had a violation. I have the best record. I'm 48 years old.
Talk about an industry that is legislated to suck money. I have no choice but to pay that or I can't work.
Something is wrong. Even if the nutters say it, it still can be wrong.

 

[Mashuna]

BTW, someone not unlike some of the legal types here tried to sell me an immigration package. $3500.
It cost two Canadian stamps, and a 6th grade mentality to do it myself.
It's not just the "woos" who charge for stuff you don't need them for.

I can see these guys arguments. Too much government and too much legal cost. It's out of control where I am.
Insurance costs in Toronto , for example, are more than half the lease/loan cost. My costs are $2500/yr on a Pontiac Sunfire
that's 5 years old, and I have no accidents or tickets ever. I've never had a violation. I have the best record. I'm 48 years old.
Talk about an industry that is legislated to suck money. I have no choice but to pay that or I can't work.
Something is wrong. Even if the nutters say it, it still can be wrong.

There's a big difference between you thinking that there's something systematic wrong with the system, and with FMOTL folk thinking that the system is actually illegal, and doesn't apply to you if you know the magic words.

 

[D'rok]

You are committing fallacies here.
You probably know them. You're appealing to incredulity and give no evidence to your assertions. There very well could be classes of which you are unaware.

No. I am not appealing to incredulity. I am appealing to direct personal experience as a middle-aged man who recently graduated from law school. Some claims are simply to stupid to bother putting much effort into refuting. But since you seem to need it, here it is.

That video was of a private seminar held in a Kelowna, BC classroom as part of Shrout's "Solutions in Commerce" speaking tour. See here:

http://www.wssic.com/

Kelowna has no law school (you don't really need me to list all of Canada's law schools, do you?), Shrout is not a law professor and that was not a constitutional law class. You should not need these things explained to you.

As to the percentage of women in Canadian universities, see here:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/051011/dq051011b-eng.htm

 

[D'rok]

Someone went dumpster diving on this thread, and I apologise for such a late response but, "per say"?
Is this a legal term I'm not familiar with, or just an illiterate supreme court justice? (sorry I'm on page 33)

/ if not the court, who is pedantic?
/ proabably appointed by Chretien

You accuse others of sloppy critical thinking at the same time as you attribute a typo in a reported case to Jean Chretien.

Here's a fallacy for you to review:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

 

[D'rok]

BTW, someone not unlike some of the legal types here tried to sell me an immigration package. $3500.
It cost two Canadian stamps, and a 6th grade mentality to do it myself.
It's not just the "woos" who charge for stuff you don't need them for.

FOTLers charge money for false and fraudulent legal advice. I trust you can see the difference between that and expensive real legal advice.

I can see these guys arguments. Too much government and too much legal cost. It's out of control where I am.
Insurance costs in Toronto , for example, are more than half the lease/loan cost. My costs are $2500/yr on a Pontiac Sunfire
that's 5 years old, and I have no accidents or tickets ever. I've never had a violation. I have the best record. I'm 48 years old.
Talk about an industry that is legislated to suck money. I have no choice but to pay that or I can't work.
Something is wrong. Even if the nutters say it, it still can be wrong.

What's wrong is that you live in the largest, riskiest city in Canada. You are paying the price for the unsafe conditions in which you drive. If you want low insurance rates, drive somewhere with less risk. I pay approximately $1000 per year here in Ottawa.

No government conspiracy involved. And no need to pay some FOTL scam artist for a bogus scheme to defraud your insurance provider.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Insurance costs in Toronto , for example, are more than half the lease/loan cost. My costs are $2500/yr on a Pontiac Sunfire
that's 5 years old, and I have no accidents or tickets ever. I've never had a violation. I have the best record. I'm 48 years old.
Talk about an industry that is legislated to suck money. I have no choice but to pay that or I can't work.
Something is wrong. Even if the nutters say it, it still can be wrong.

What's wrong is that you live in the largest, riskiest city in Canada. You are paying the price for the unsafe conditions in which you drive. If you want low insurance rates, drive somewhere with less risk. I pay approximately $1000 per year here in Ottawa.

No government conspiracy involved. And no need to pay some FOTL scam artist for a bogus scheme to defraud your insurance provider.

What?! You should move to Texas. I pay about $400 a year.

 

[D'rok]

What?! You should move to Texas. I pay about $400 a year.

Yeah, but then we'd have to live in Texas.

 

[TSR]

.
I'm sure Lilybet knows the difference between a Yankee and a d*mn Yankee:

A Yankee comes to visit.

A d*mn Yankee stays...
.

 

[Elizabeth I]

.
I'm sure Lilybet knows the difference between a Yankee and a d*mn Yankee:

A Yankee comes to visit.

A d*mn Yankee stays...
.

A mayor of Houston once said, in front of media and on the record, "Yankees are sort of like hemorrhoids. If they come down and go back up again it's okay. If they come down and stay they're a real pain in the ***."

That, of course, was unacceptable according to rules of Southern hospitality - however much you might think it you never say it out loud.

 

[Mojo]

It looks as if it may be infecting the homoeopaths:

We don’t yet know how homeopathy will be affected by EU directives (though tinctures may be) and there are certain groups who think they can change things by working with the EU. They cannot, and the only way is to get Britain out altogether so we can enjoy Common Law again which allowed us to freely practise natural health therapies.

http://miltcentral.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/homeopathy-heels/

 

[jargon buster]

I cant check out the link, but that quote may be from Girlgye, (mary gye) she used to frequent homeopathy websites before she lost the plot completely.