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Fnord said:
@alfa1: Please provide valid evidence for the existence of chakrae.
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Perhaps the first step (before providing evidence for the existence of chakras) is to tell us what chakras are?

I have no idea, and I can't be arsed to look it up. Luckily, we have at least one expert here who can tell us...

(I'm not being entirely snarky. I really want to know what they are supposed to be. Knowledge makes my kundalini rise. :eye-poppi)
 
This Wikipedia Article explains the chakra myth fairly well. Here's an excerpt:

"...Chakra is a concept referring to wheel-like vortices which, according to traditional Indian medicine, are believed to exist in the surface of the etheric double of man. The Chakras are said to be "force centers" or whorls of energy permeating, from a point on the physical body, the layers of the subtle bodies in an ever-increasing fan-shaped formation. Rotating vortices of subtle matter, they are considered the focal points for the reception and transmission of energies. Different systems posit a varying number of chakras; the most well known system in the West is that of 7 chakras ... Texts describing the chakras go back as far as the later Upanishads, for example the Yoga Kundalini Upanishad..."
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Certainly a detailed article, but one based on tradition and apocryphal accounts only.
 
The lower chakras are disgusting, but fun for a time.
Eventually, the higher chakras get lit up, and we become groovy.

One of them, the grooviest one, is actually above your head, kind of floating in the realm of your other body. Why not? It makes more sense than an endless mortgage, traffic jams, a cubicle, and Dancing with the stars.

I'm not being snarky at all.
Reality is snarky, if anything.

Make something up. Its allowed. Take it seriously, if you must. That's allowed too, but it's less fun. Logic and reason are taking us to a place that is very non-magical.
Even after we've solved the problem of inter-planetary travel, we'll mostly have to work in oppressive mines. I've seen the movies.

Woo comes to the rescue, but only if you can handle it...or really hate a cubicle.
 
SumDood said:
You are WAY off. Would one test the polarity of a Bogin-time reversal module with bare hands and a volt-meter? Only if you wanted to disrupt the existing continuum belt! Eigenstates only correspond to the innate differential between the first member of any set. To properly deduce the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients, one must first lay forth the principles postulated by the great quantum philosopher Zeron Druthers, in which he configured the locations of the Chi lines via sub-protian scanning. This is basic theoretical quantum. Try cracking a book sometime.
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Last time I cracked a book i got thrown out of the library.
 
alfa1 said:
Not easy to understand the chakras.
How I did more than 20 years ago: I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras.
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Special Pleading?* I had hoped for better. I have also read many books on chakrae, accupuncture, and other similar topics.

Oh, and I understand the chakra myth just fine. I also understand the concept of faith very well. IMO, your claims for the existence of chakrae seem to be entirely faith-based (and thus, religious), and therefor lack any valid evidence to support them.

Is your claim for the existence of chakrae fact-based or faith-based?

If the former, then please provide valid evidence for the existence of chakrae. If the latter, then your claim is no more valid than any other religious claim -- that is, irrelevant to anyone other than you, the believer.

*Special Pleading is: (1) The assertion of new or special matter to offset the opposing party's allegations; (2) A presentation of an argument that emphasizes only a favorable or single aspect of the question at issue; or (3) A claim that certain pre-requisites are necessary for the understanding of the original claim. For example, a typical claim that uses Special Pleading is: "Horoscopes work, but you have to understand the theory behind Astrology for them to work correctly."
 
alfa1 said:
Not easy to understand the chakras.
How I did more than 20 years ago:I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras.
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I've had 3 years of science in high school and 2 college classes. Doing that required me to read 5 science books. That happened less than 20 years ago. Even though I have read more books than you, that does not make me a science expert.

You fail.
 
quarky said:
I farted and burped simultaneously. For all i know, I am the first.
If you think its irrelevant, or easy, try to do it.
You can read about the experience on my blog, or buy the book and the t-shirt.

My ego swells with every moment I revel in this achievement, yet I remain humble and accessible.

How cool is that?
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Reverse the w in a mirror.

I don't know if your ego swells, but I betcha it certainly smelled at that moment :).
 
alfa1 said:
For chakras read some Yoga books
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For evidence you have none. Welcome to the JREF, you need to actually explain you ideas, then present the evidence.

Waving your hands at someone else's work, is lazy.

So you don't know what a chakra is and you can't explain why you think they exist.
 
There's no particular mystery about acupuncture points. While prodding the surface layer of the skin with needles may in fact affect the immune system, there's no extra benefit to certain points as opposed to putting them in at random. This has been shown in controlled studies, though I'm afraid I don't have the reference on hand at the moment.
 
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alfa1 said:
In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras.
A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you!

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872
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Well, with a bit of work we can ensure that the number one google hit for this nonsense is this thread here at the jref forums. Perhaps that can save a brain or two from falling for this pseudo-scientific claptrap.

Please keep posting, and please be sure to include this in each post:
|ψ> = c1|Φ1> + c2|Φ2> + c3|Φ3> + c4|Φ4> + c5|Φ5> + c6|Φ6> + c7|Φ7>
are 7 states |Φi > because are 7 major chakras or energy centers.
 
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