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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Alt+F4 said:
This makes no sense. He's worried that burglary is "very serious" so he decides to stab her in addition to breaking and entering?
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Oh, just stop it.

In addition to breaking, entering and sexually assaulting.

Unlike the scenario involving two other people in which you seem so fascinated, rape/murders (and burglary/rape/murders) are common occurances.

Of which you are well aware, despite the prevarication.

(Would you like a side-order of fries with the cite you're about to ask for?)
 
Mary_H said:
When you've stepped out of the shower and there is no towel, you'll use what's available. I would call it more an "ick factor" than a "revulsion issue."
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I just occured to me that AK's not noticing that there were no towels (Guede had used them all) implies she was in a hurry. This fits in with her having slept longer than she expected, and needing to get back to Raff's as quickly as possible for the trip they had planned.

I'd be, er, interested to hear a guilter riff on this, i.e. her failing to notice the lack of towels.
 
Daniel's witness statement; luminol prints

treehorn said:
The presence of a CORPSE in a pool of blood just inches away "disfavors the hypothesis" that turnip juice or cleaning products caused the luminol reaction.

Admit it.

So let's look at the REST of the evidence, shall we?
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treehorn,

Since your last appearance here, I quoted from Daniel's witness statement. Why don't you have a look at it, and let us know what you think?

The luminol prints in the hallway point toward Meredith's door, not away. They are a number of feet (or meters, if you prefer) from the body. Where you came up with inches is beyond me. Trying to come up with a reason why the luminol prints were negative for DNA yet were still due to blood is difficult. Trying to relate them to the crime is even tougher, but have at it, if you like.
 
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Charlie Wilkes said:
It's possible, but there were dried bloodstains in the basin of the bidet, leading up to the rim in exactly the way it would fall if someone with bloody water dripping off his foot had swung his leg out and planted his foot where the stain on the mat was found.

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/bidet01.jpg
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/bidet02.jpg
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Thanks, I wasn't sure exactly where those stains were. If he is planting his foot on the rim of the bidet after being in the shower, drips would come off the cuff onto the floor. It's possible but then requires a cleanup theory to explain the lack of blood on the tiles below. He could plant his foot in the bidet and avoid the drips on the floor but why would he do that if he had just washed it in the shower.


Another possibility is that he tried the bidet first by planting his foot on the far rim from the right front. The water from the bidet isn't going to reach the front or inseam of the trowser leg and from that position with his foot on the bidet he would be looking right into the shower at a better tool for the job.


The stain could have been created from either the attempted use of the bidet or when exiting the shower. Amanda might have remembered which direction the mat was facing when she first saw the stain after getting out of the shower the nest morning. But we haven't herd that detail.
 
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stain and print

TomCH said:
Actually, it is unknown when the substance was deposited, which is why (they say) it wasn't tested.
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TomCH,

I was under the impression that there was a (possible) partial shoe print in the stain, and that was the reason the stain was not tested (to allow the print to be examined). ChristianaHannah posted a quote from the Massei report a few weeks ago about this (possibly from Dr. Stefanoni), but I do not remember the details. However, a shoe print would in effect date the stain.

Not testing the stain because it cannot be dated never sounded like a logical reason to me. One could offer that reason about any putative semen stain. Nor can DNA be dated by itself, although there may be some rare exceptions.
 
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Mary_H said:
J2, I will think of you every time spell check tells me to change Perugian to Peruvian.
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Si seniorita Mary!
Como estas?

Or more importantly, how is the appeal going?

The medical community preaches that depression and anger can cause all types of health problems. The doctors of one of the best oncology centers in America blame a relative's pancreatic cancer on depression. Anyway, I hope the Knox family takes care of their health. I wouldn't want the guilters to be accomplices to murder.

If Amanda is innocent, as I believe, then what are the guilters?
 
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Titanic's deckchairs float to the surface.

Supernaut said:
I just occured to me that AK's not noticing that there were no towels (Guede had used them all) implies she was in a hurry. This fits in with her having slept longer than she expected, and needing to get back to Raff's as quickly as possible for the trip they had planned.

I'd be, er, interested to hear a guilter riff on this, i.e. her failing to notice the lack of towels.
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Lets see.

Walking around the draughty [remember the open door and broken window] flat naked on a chilly Nov morning without a towel might be considered unusual for somebody so prone to 'cold induced hypoglycemia' which led to her 'confession' some days later. Had she had breakfast - No ?

Alternatively the effects of the 'cold induced hypoglycemia' could explain the later 'bathmat shuffle'.

(Will this do ?)

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/amanda-knox-appeal-trial-_n_787352.html

It has also proved very divisive, with the U.S. media often depicting Knox as an innocent woman caught in a judicial inferno, while Italian and British newspapers have cast her as a sex-crazed liar
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My own personality evaluations make the guilters, the press and the prosecution far more likely to be killers than Amanda and her family. Where I hand picking people for a new society, I would pick the Knoxes and exclude the guilters.

I don't forgive, but I do forget. As I get older, it becomes easier to forget than to forgive.

I forget the guilters.
 
Lists are vital

Justinian2 said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/amanda-knox-appeal-trial-_n_787352.html



My own personality evaluations make the guilters, the press and the prosecution far more likely to be killers than Amanda and her family. Where I hand picking people for a new society, I would pick the Knoxes and exclude the guilters.

I don't forgive, but I do forget. As I get older, it becomes easier to forget than to forgive.

I forget the guilters.
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Onward - Pizza, Joints & Cartwheels for all in the brave new world.

Will this be a 'heavens gate' or rapture like event or are we talking more 'come the revolution'.

Either way, lists are vital in his type of enterprise [a purging of "degraded beings"] - a recent report indicated that another 'saint', Mother Theresa, ended up in Hell due to a clerical error.

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Chris C said:
Lets talk about the 19 genetic profiles that thesun article claims where in Meredith's room. Are there profiles of people that where unrelated to the case found in the room? Is that a typo? Or where there actually 19 genetic profiles? Or where there 19 genetic profiles total found, some of them being counted more than once.
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Yeah, I don't get that either. My understanding is that there were three unknown DNA profiles on the bra clasp and that was the only unknown DNA found in Meredith's bedroom.
 
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Justinian2 said:
The medical community preaches that depression and anger can cause all types of health problems. The doctors of one of the best oncology centers in America blame a relative's pancreatic cancer on depression. Anyway, I hope the Knox family takes care of their health. I wouldn't want the guilters to be accomplices to murder.
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Those who support Amanda's innocence and want to build support for her in the English-speaking part of the Internet should really start speaking up about nonsense like this.
 
platonov said:
Onward - Pizza, Joints & Cartwheels for all in the brave new world.

Will this be a 'heavens gate' or rapture like event or are we talking more 'come the revolution'.

Either way, lists are vital in his type of enterprise [a purging of "degraded beings"] - a recent report indicated that another 'saint', Mother Theresa, ended up in Hell due to a clerical error.

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That's funny. No, I was thinking Donald Trump would issue the invitations and be making the list, which presumably doesn't include guilters.

But really, if we live a life less depressed and angry then better health follows. Man can make earth more like heaven.

Hell is what the Knox and Kercher families have gone through. Man can make hell.

While man can't create heaven, he sure can create hell. Think about that for a moment!
 
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MySpace is YourSpace

Alt+F4,

What do you make of the fact that Meredith and Amanda were MySpace friends?
 
Speaking of questions everyone knows the answer to ( but me), did Guede’s shoeprints glow when the police sprayed the hall with luminol? The point being, could the cleanup erase all traces of both the print and the cleanup?
 
halides1 said:
Alt+F4,

What do you make of the fact that Meredith and Amanda were MySpace friends?
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I wouldn't automatically think that they were real life friends. Simple fact is that just about anyone I know, ranging from close friends and family to people who happens to share my same interest, but whom I have never met, can be found in my friends lists on those two sites.
 
moodstream said:
Speaking of questions everyone knows the answer to ( but me), did Guede’s shoeprints glow when the police sprayed the hall with luminol? The point being, could the cleanup erase all traces of both the print and the cleanup?
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No. My understanding is the visible footprints were cleaned and scrubbed by the police immediately after photo's and testing so as not to drag blood into other areas of the flat. This was done prior to luminol testing. They could have prevented this in other ways, obviously. I don't know if this procedure is common with other law enforcement procedures.
 
Amazer said:
I wouldn't automatically think that they were real life friends. Simple fact is that just about anyone I know, ranging from close friends and family to people who happens to share my same interest, but whom I have never met, can be found in my friends lists on those two sites.
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You're right, unless of course Amanda and Meredith posted on each others MySpace pages about their wonderful, real life friendship.
 
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