Dont forget the child killer who said Guede told him that a guy was standing over Meredith's body masturbating. Plus don't forget Guede's own words that Meredith might have been raped by another guy.
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Dont forget the child killer who said Guede told him that a guy was standing over Meredith's body masturbating. Plus don't forget Guede's own words that Meredith might have been raped by another guy.
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When someone's best talking point about a given issue is just to make up a silly name for it, it's a good bet that it's a point of serious weakness in their position.
The "bathmat boogie" is a real problem for people who want to believe in Amanda's guilt because it's almost a blank cheque to explain any amount of smearing, wiping or foot-print leaving anywhere between her room and the bathroom. That spoils any amount of pro-guilt fun that could otherwise be had.
I think that's why they made up the term to ridicule a perfectly normal means of getting around without leaving a mess when one has forgotten one's towel, and also why I distinctly recall them arguing vociferously that the mat probably had rubber backing and so Amanda's story had to be false.
Once you've made up a silly name for it you can dismiss it, once you've dismissed it you can argue that every smear or footprint is evidence of guilt, and as a bonus you can even say the story in itself is evidence that Amanda cleaned up the scene and then lied about it.
It's amazing how much guiltier you can make someone look if you're allowed to arbitrarily decide that chunks of their story are ridiculous.
The "bathmat boogie" is a real problem for people who want to believe in Amanda's guilt because it's almost a blank cheque to explain any amount of smearing, wiping or foot-print leaving anywhere between her room and the bathroom. That spoils any amount of pro-guilt fun that could otherwise be had.
I think that's why they made up the term to ridicule a perfectly normal means of getting around without leaving a mess when one has forgotten one's towel, and also why I distinctly recall them arguing vociferously that the mat probably had rubber backing and so Amanda's story had to be false.
Once you've made up a silly name for it you can dismiss it, once you've dismissed it you can argue that every smear or footprint is evidence of guilt, and as a bonus you can even say the story in itself is evidence that Amanda cleaned up the scene and then lied about it.
It's amazing how much guiltier you can make someone look if you're allowed to arbitrarily decide that chunks of their story are ridiculous.
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That's an excellent point, Chris. If the police had tested the towels, they might have discovered whether they were wet with water and blood or just blood. The towels could explain a lot about why the bathroom floor was clean. They might have had signs of having wiped up the floor.
Actually, it is unknown when the substance was deposited, which is why (they say) it wasn't tested.
I thought (they) didn't know the stain was there and that it was the defense that pointed it out towards the end of the trial. If you are saying (they) knew it was there the whole time, then the prosecution has really dropped the ball.
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Did it have a rubber backing?
PS When are you going to tell us how, exactly, you've come to know, as a matter of fact, the force required to displace alimentary matter within the human intestine?
The presence of a CORPSE in a pool of blood just inches away "disfavors the hypothesis" that turnip juice or cleaning products caused the luminol reaction.
Admit it.
So let's look at the REST of the evidence, shall we?
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Where are the luminol prints leading away from the body? All these supposed prints created with blood and none of them leading away from the body. Dont you find that odd! There are 9 luminol footprints and none of them leading away from the body. There are 16 visible bloody shoeprints all verified and created by 1 person. Even admitted they where his. Matter of fact rudy had blood all over himself. Arms, pants, shoes, hands. If he didn't go in the bathroom and wash up. Where did he clean himself. Did they find Meredith's blood at his place? Where did he change cloths at before arriving at his friends house at 2330 hrs? His friend didn't notice blood on Rudy. Did rudy take a shower at his house. Did they find luminol prints there?
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I don't know about "odd" - but it is a clue.
What does the REST of the evidence tell us?
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It's possible, but there were dried bloodstains in the basin of the bidet, leading up to the rim in exactly the way it would fall if someone with bloody water dripping off his foot had swung his leg out and planted his foot where the stain on the mat was found.
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/bidet01.jpg
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/bidet02.jpg
Can anyone confirm this?
In this article from thesun it says that:
"No trace of Knox at the murder scene was found, despite the court being told genetic evidence from 19 other people was found."
Can anyone confirm there where genetic profiles of 19 other people?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3239198/DNA-vital-to-Amanda-Knoxs-mercy-bid.html
In this article from thesun it says that:
"No trace of Knox at the murder scene was found, despite the court being told genetic evidence from 19 other people was found."
Can anyone confirm there where genetic profiles of 19 other people?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3239198/DNA-vital-to-Amanda-Knoxs-mercy-bid.html
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Something is way off there.
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Now THAT is what I call comic timing.
Ok, lets settle this and move on. Matthew wasn't the most diplomatic about pointing out that your question had been answered a few posts before you asked it.
Treehorn your clearly overreacting. No one had called you any names or insulted you.
Now that thats been said. Lets talk about the 19 genetic profiles that thesun article claims where in Meredith's room. Are there profiles of people that where unrelated to the case found in the room? Is that a typo? Or where there actually 19 genetic profiles? Or where there 19 genetic profiles total found, some of them being counted more than once.
Treehorn your clearly overreacting. No one had called you any names or insulted you.
Now that thats been said. Lets talk about the 19 genetic profiles that thesun article claims where in Meredith's room. Are there profiles of people that where unrelated to the case found in the room? Is that a typo? Or where there actually 19 genetic profiles? Or where there 19 genetic profiles total found, some of them being counted more than once.
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It's easy to miss a post or two especially if you bookmark the page you were at last, come back and find posts have been moved. I have missed some before as did Kermit the other day as all of us most likely have on occasion. I don't believe they were overly unkind or harsh to you in pointing this out but that is probably more of a subjective thing.
She mentioned the bathmat thing and no towel before the luminol tests revealed the footprints. Machiavelli has pointed out that she expanded on this story later but it still exists before the tests were completed. I still have a hard time buying this story. Perhaps this is due to the fact that if it were me I would just go get a towel and not bother with the bathmat, I don't drip that much and it is tile and it does not take as long just to walk somewhere and get a towel. Others have indicated they have done what Amanda said she did. I still don't think that bathmat is going to slide very well on that tile, backing or not.
The reason the bathmat thing is important is that those on the guilty side believe she knew about the footprints being there before they were revealed therefore indicating guilt. Personally, I don't see how she would know about these prints even if she were guilty because they were invisible to begin with. My personal opinion is that the police already had an idea those prints were there through close examination or use of an instrument like a crime-scope that also reveals things like blood or semen, just not in the detail that luminol does. They had jumped the gun on the CCTV footage telling her that had her on tape before closer examination and they had also jumped the gun on the print on the pillowcase falsely attributing that to Raffaele. The other "female" footprint on the pillowcase was also claimed to be Amanda's in the early reports prior to Massei coming to a different inconclusion, claiming that Amanda was probably barefoot during the assault anyway.
I had thought I had seen an early report presumably leaked by the police claiming other footprints in the hall and Amanda's room, but I was unable to find a cite and I could easily be mistaken or the article could have been updated at a later date. Or I could have noticed a comment on an old article that was made after the luminol tests.
Either way, my opinion on this is still open but at the present time I am not convinced that her explanation is true.
Depends on how cold the floor is. Some people just dont like walking on cold floors with wet feet. Then again, it could come down to how the question was asked.
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One foot is still going to be in contact with the floor and take longer to get to a towel and probably still drip a bit on the floor; for me it is a no win situation, just go get a towel, probably muttering a few choice words on the way.
Perhaps someone can remind me of the direction of the prints, away from the bathroom or towards the bathroom, I can't remember exactly. I do recall there were one or two just outside and pointing in the direction of Meredith's doorway and there were two outside Amanda's doorway pointing toward the kitchen. Do either of these fit the bathmat shuffle scenario? It would seem to me that the one points into Meredith's room and the other two away from Amanda's room? A mystery still, for me at least.
Another thing I wanted to point out about the untested stain(i'll call it that to avoid arguing anymore over it) is if its semen, even if its Rudy's, destroys the prosecutions theory, though in my opinion if its rudy's it doesn't fit with the defenses theory either. Because if its Rudy's, then it definatly means rudy raped Meredith while she was dead or dying. The reason being is because there are 5 bloody footprints on that pillow some of them are under the body.
The placement of the stain shows that it was possibly deposited after the pillow was under the body because it matches up with the correct location with the body. Which means if its semen, whoever deposited it, would have moved the body, instead of Knox and Sollecito.
The placement of the stain shows that it was possibly deposited after the pillow was under the body because it matches up with the correct location with the body. Which means if its semen, whoever deposited it, would have moved the body, instead of Knox and Sollecito.
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