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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Did you know that 600,000 American soldiers were either brain damaged in Iraq and Afghanistan or had PTSS? We aren't discussing them here.

I understand this post as well as the one I am responding to is off topic, but Justanian2 do you just make stuff up because it serves the point you are attempting to make? I humbly request a citation for you claim.
 
I don't think there needs to be more 'conspirators' than Mignini to perpetuate this fiasco, a vengeful man with a reputation for going after anyone who stands in the way of his 'investigations.' Politicians, journalists, even former police chiefs. I can't see why anyone would be that interested in drawing his ire, thus he probably gets away with more than he should, evidenced by some of the more curious decisions of the court.
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Hi Kaosium,
I sometimes wonder how dangerous is the walk that Frank Sfarzo of Perugia Shock
takes while he reports on his blog about this brutal murder, its investigation, and the trials that come forth from it...
I imagines that he walks a very fine line.
Hmmm...
RWVBWL
 
I think Monaco is a bit out of Rudy's league. Apparently:

Rudy Hermann Guede, 20, a student from the Ivory Coast, was arrested on a train near Mainz, the capital of the Rhineland-Pflaz region, after an international manhunt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...th-suspect-captured-after-sleeping-rough.html
WHICH Monaco are you referring to?

Monaco (in Italian) normally means Munich, Germany.

The other one is normally referred to as "Principato di Monaco", but there is no train station/border there.
 
WHICH Monaco are you referring to?

Monaco (in Italian) normally means Munich, Germany.

The other one is normally referred to as "Principato di Monaco", but there is no train station/border there.

That explains it. I thought the person was referring to 'Monaco' as opposed to 'Munchen'. Thank you.
 
I see no reason to doubt that Amanda and Meredith were close friends (certainly not the libellous gossip that has been put about by the character assassination campaign against Amanda).

Any evidence that they were "close friends"? How about a few photos of them hanging out together, having fun? Photos that Amanda and/or Meredith sent to friends/family back home? Are there any photos or posts on MySpace or Facebook (or any other website) regarding this "close friendship" by Amanda, Meredith or anyone that knew them? Of course not because they don't exist. The reason why I know they don't exist is because if they did Amanda's supporters would have produced them already.

Young women like that would also have been on good terms with each other's boyfriends, so it's quite justified to describe them as "2 of Meredith's friends". Whether they had taken the opportunity to cook and eat together in the short time she and Raffaele had been together, I don't know.

Now you have resorted to just making stuff up. Meredith and Raffaele were not friends. Please stop with the lies.
 
You are still going around the point. The "system provides too much power" again avoids to consider what power actualy he has and what the other people have. Do you realize that Micheli had the power to quit the investigation or not? That Comodi had the same power Mignini had? That Matteini and Ricciarelli choud have quit the investigation or set the defendants free? And Massei and Cristiani and Stefanoni all take orders from Mignini.
You avoid to answer these questions. You mistake the key decisions and authorities in the case, and you mistake Mignini's role, if you think in terms of higher courts. Higher courts are not "dribbled" in this case and in particular they are not dribbled by Mignini. Their decision on usability of documents does not have a real effect in a system of charges like the one issued by Judge Micheli.

Let me put it this way: I know this isn't the first time a gross miscarriage of justice occurred. For something like this to happen, naturally more than one person bears some responsibility. I think Micheli will regret someday not 'quitting' the investigation. I think the court that decided not to dismiss the case after the blatant manufacturing of evidence (right on TV!) of the bra clasp will regret that decision. I think Comodi too will have even greater regrets. I also think each will try to make a case that the decisions at the time were in accordance with what their duties entailed. That might even be correct, but I wonder who will listen.

This crime (as prosecuted) only occurred in Mignini's mind, he's the one who constructed this pornographic fantasy and spread it all throughout the tabloids. He created the conditions where his tale and his only could prevail, and those who sought to stop him would have to face public scrutiny, if not charges from Mignini himself, as he's been known to go after just about anyone in pursuit of his 'investigations.' Thus in the end I suspect the only one who knew the whole 'story' from start to finish was Mignini, the others saw partial glimpses, outside maybe Comodi, but there came a point where she was 'all in' and couldn't quit.

I don't know what you mean by 'dribbled.' Is that in reference to how the trial of Amanda for her 'slander' against Patrick just so happened to run concurrently with her main trial thus the jury got to hear evidence of the 'confession' that was declared inadmissible by the Supreme Court of Italy? Boy, that sure worked out well for Mignini's case, didn't it? You don't think an experienced prosecutor can game this byzantine system you've described? You're trying to pretend that Italy is basically the only place in the world without a 'good ol' boy' network?

The case against Amanda and Raffaele could have convicted me! As well as you, and anyone on this forum. It wouldn't matter if I was ten thousand miles away, if the professional witness bum 'sees' me in the basketball court that breaks my 'alibi' for the time of the murder. If the celebrity-seeking twit 'sees' me lurking outside his store at 7 AM that's just further 'proof' I'm a liar, even if it no longer makes any sense that I'd be there, he's just responding to an obsolete casting call for 'witnesses.' You could go into my home and find something with my DNA that would serve as a murder weapon, take it into the lab and screw the machine down to the lowest setting and say the victim's DNA was on it, more 'proof' of my involvement. When the 'murder weapon' doesn't match the wounds just create a 'two knife theory.'

If more DNA evidence is needed, just pick something off the floor of the murder site and take it into the lab with all the other stuff of mine collected, or just have your 'expert' mumble that matching six of nine peaks is 'compatible' with my DNA. The fact my passport wasn't stamped is just more 'proof' of my nefarious involvement, I entered and left the country secretly! More charges to file! The 'timeline' constructed will show that I could have left here and flown there and had plenty of time to commit the murder and go home, and since my alibi is just one other person they must have been involved too--they now have no alibi for the time of the murder!

They look into my history and find I spent many years in an organization known for violence and which has been accused of every vile action possible, some of which are even true. Look into how I spent some of that time and broadcast it to every corner of Italy, everyone remembers that cable-car thing, right? The fact I was seen laughing on a CCTV camera at the convenience store days after the murder? More proof I'm a psychopath for not properly mourning a person I never met. I'd never have a chance in that courtroom, I'd be a convict before I ever walked in.

Satire to be sure, but with a grain of truth. Basically that's what occurred to Amanda and Raffaele, they were smoking the wacky weed and enjoying each other's company blocks away and yet since they fit into Mignini's fevered imaginings of what happened they were cast in those unfortunate roles, despite the fact all the real evidence pointed to something else entirely.
 
Any evidence that they were "close friends"? How about a few photos of them hanging out together, having fun? Photos that Amanda and/or Meredith sent to friends/family back home? Are there any photos or posts on MySpace or Facebook (or any other website) regarding this "close friendship" by Amanda, Meredith or anyone that knew them? Of course not because they don't exist. The reason why I know they don't exist is because if they did Amanda's supporters would have produced them already.



Now you have resorted to just making stuff up. Meredith and Raffaele were not friends. Please stop with the lies.
How do you know that Meredith didn't consider Raffaele as a friend?
 
I think Monaco is a bit out of Rudy's league. Apparently:

Rudy Hermann Guede, 20, a student from the Ivory Coast, was arrested on a train near Mainz, the capital of the Rhineland-Pflaz region, after an international manhunt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...th-suspect-captured-after-sleeping-rough.html

Yes, he was finally arrested in Germany. But he was also stopped in Monaco [ETA: having read the subsequent posts, I'm not sure which 'Monaco' is being referred to] on 4 November; it seems the police copied his documents, took him to the train station and ordered him to go back to Italy. It's in the judge's report from Rudy's appeal. I tried to find it to quote (it used to be on Rose's docstoc page) but it doesn't seem to be there any more, so the best I can do is point you to bolint's post on PMF, which also mentions it.
 
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Yes, he was finally arrested in Germany. But he was also stopped in Monaco [ETA: having read the subsequent posts, I'm not sure which 'Monaco' is being referred to] on 4 November; I think the police copied his documents, took him to the train station and ordered him to go back to Italy. It's in the judge's report from Rudy's appeal. I tried to find it to quote (it used to be on Rose's docstoc page) but it doesn't seem to be there any more, so the best I can do is point you to bolint's post on PMF, which also mentions it.

I think I understand the confusion. 'Monaco' and 'Munchen' both have the same etymological root - Monachos - Greek, one who lives alone - a monk. Basically both places were founded by monks. To Italians, Monaco mainly means Munich.
 
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Reading a book.
Not calling her mom? Which, from what I understand, she did every evening.

Things she might have wanted to do before picking up that history book would include taking off her jacket and checking the laundry.

Before she got to that, she might have noticed somebody had been rummaging through her room and naturally blamed the last person she knew was in he house that day. But if this were true, you would expect Rudy would make some comment about hearing Meredith cursing Amanda for taking the money and maybe evidence that Meredith had entered Amanda's room looking to get her money back.
 
How do you know that Meredith didn't consider Raffaele as a friend?

1. According to both Amanda and Raffaele, Meredith and Raffaele met three times only.

2. No evidence from Meredith's family or friends that she considered him a friend. No evidence that she ever mentioned him to anyone she knew.

Now please explain, why you think they were friends, and don't base it on personal experiences, base it on facts known about these two people.

There is a big difference between a friend and an acquaintance.
 
I think I understand the confusion. 'Monaco' and 'Munchen' both have the same etymological root - Monachos - Greek, one who lives alone - a monk. Basically both places were founded by monks.

Hence, 'monaco' in Italian meaning 'monk' (and also 'Monaco' (the country), heh). :)

Confusing, but the date is right.

I didn't realize it was so difficult to enter Monaco - am sure I remember going over the border from France some years ago, and don't remember needing any special checks to get in! Actually I don't even remember needing a passport, but that's probably my faulty memory...
 
If more DNA evidence is needed, just pick something off the floor of the murder site and take it into the lab with all the other stuff of mine collected, or just have your 'expert' mumble that matching six of nine peaks is 'compatible' with my DNA.

Another person who thinks the DNA was planted. Any evidence for this?
 
Hi Kaosium,
I sometimes wonder how dangerous is the walk that Frank Sfarzo of Perugia Shock
takes while he reports on his blog about this brutal murder, its investigation, and the trials that come forth from it...
I imagines that he walks a very fine line.
Hmmm...
RWVBWL

He's implied that at times, hasn't he? However if you recall he goes out of his way not to bash Mignini and shows irritation at those who do, arguing that hurts Amanda and Raffaele's chances.

I think any prosecutor that cares what people write about him on the internet overseas needs to get his head examined, and one thing I recall coming across googling about him is a news report that Mignini has never seen a psychologist...
 
I understand this post as well as the one I am responding to is off topic, but Justanian2 do you just make stuff up because it serves the point you are attempting to make? I humbly request a citation for you claim.

I was at Mass Gen Hospitial last week and I saw a poster that said of the 2 million that served in Afghanistan and Iraq over the last ten years, 30 percent had brain injury or PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder).

If I make something up, I usually qualify it with something like "My theory is:"
 
chocolate festival

Any evidence that they were "close friends"? How about a few photos of them hanging out together, having fun? Photos that Amanda and/or Meredith sent to friends/family back home? Are there any photos or posts on MySpace or Facebook (or any other website) regarding this "close friendship" by Amanda, Meredith or anyone that knew them? Of course not because they don't exist. The reason why I know they don't exist is because if they did Amanda's supporters would have produced them already.



Now you have resorted to just making stuff up. Meredith and Raffaele were not friends. Please stop with the lies.

Alt+F4,

What is the evidence that they were not friends?

According to some, there were photographs of Meredith and Amanda together at the chocolate festival on Amanda's hard drive. Do you support the defense's attempts to send the drive to Toshiba?

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I see you have answered the first question elsewhere
 
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But this sounds somewhat impausible Charlie, if---as it seems---you hold to the LONEWOLF/ Interrupted Burglary theory. There would have been scant motive for Rudy to have broken into the cottage to steal. On the contrary, plenty of reason for him not to have attempted it. Aside from the danger and difficulty in scaling the 12 foot high wall below Filomena's window, he should have known that there would be little worth stealing other than the usual electrical gadgetry owned by youngsters,...ipods, laptop computers, and cell phones. (Even Luciano Aviello's story of his brother's attempt to steal valuables at the cottage contains the plausible element of mistaken address.) But if Rudy had thought that the girls were absent, he should have expected their ipods and cell phones to have been absent too, on the person of their owners. And as he learned at the Milan nursery school, laptops are easily traceable, and so hazardous to steal.

So why would he bother to break in? Why not burglarize some place with more prospect of finding cash and valuable jewelry? And even if caught---elsewhere---he wouldn't be saddled with the dishonor of stealing from his acquaintances. (Or did he wish to steal the girls' underwear?)
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Hello there Fine,
I wish to comment on something, -(which I have highlighted in black and underlined), that you have written.
For IIRC, 1 of the judges in Perugia didn't believe that Rudy Guede would steal from friends and people that he knew.

Tell you what, from my personal experience, guys will steal from their friends, and people they know, without remorse!
I know, for I myself have done this before, and have also had it done to me more than a few times, many, many years ago!

Street guys are different, of that I know.
I've given a couple of black eyes in the last 10 years and recieved 1 too...

It's sheer fallacy to think that most guys who steal would be "saddled with the dishonor of stealing from his acquaintances."

But our opinions may differ...
RWVBWL
 
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Hence, 'monaco' in Italian meaning 'monk' (and also 'Monaco' (the country), heh). :)

Confusing, but the date is right.

I didn't realize it was so difficult to enter Monaco - am sure I remember going over the border from France some years ago, and don't remember needing any special checks to get in! Actually I don't even remember needing a passport, but that's probably my faulty memory...

No, you are correct.

There is no border, in fact there is no train station!

If Rudy was controlled in "Monaco", it HAD to be in Munich.

Makes sense, head north via the Brenner, you end up in Munich. No need to leave the EU, unlike passing through here (Schengen now, but NOT in 2007).
 
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