Homosexuality is a choice

SnakeTongue said:
I will try again:

Can you help me understand B and C?

Heterosexual desire = XT
Homosexual desire = XY
Bisexual desire = XZ

A. female gender (X) desire to female gender during his first 20 years of a person's life: homosexual (Y).
B. female gender (X) desire to male gender during his 21-25 years of a person's life: bisexual or reversion to heterosexual (Z or T)?
C. female gender (X) desire to female gender during his 25-45 years of a person's life: bisexual or reversion to homosexual (Y or Z)?

A. XY
B. XZ or XT?
C. XY or XZ?

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I'll make it a little easier for you:

We are dealing with human emotions and reactions. There is no equation.
 
SnakeTongue said:
So where does sex desire come in? If sexual orientation has nothing to do with the action, what stops paedophiles from claiming equality with homosexuals? If they never get physical, what does it matter if they fall in love with a child?
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None. A pedophile who never acts on her/his desires is still a pedophile, just denying her/his desires.

To be clear: a pedophile is as "an adult who is sexually attracted to young children." It doesn't matter if they act on it or not, the desire is still there.

The act of actually having sex with a child is not called pedophilia.

So, once again, the desire is there. One can choose not to act on the desire, but the desire doesn't go away: one cannot choose to not have a desire for something.
 
JFrankA said:
Celibacy has nothing to do with being attracted to a gender or not. Celibacy is a choice not to have sex. That does not mean that the celibate person is not attracted to someone. Quite a difference.
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If celibacy have nothing to do with gender attraction, why the need of "choice to not have sex"?

If it is a choice to have sex, it is NOT a need to have keep a "vow", to practise "sexual abstinence".

The definition of celibacy become useless if the element of "control over of sexual urge" is not part of it.

If it is not sexual "abstinence", it is not a sexual "urge".

To be abstinent, must be a urge.

JFrankA said:
That's like saying someone who is fasting (for whatever reason) doesn't eat because they don't desire food. It's not that they have an appetite, nor that they don't want food, it's just a conscious choice not eat. The desire is still there.
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Your analogy is precise, I just cannot identify the analogue sides...

JFrankA said:
It's the same thing with sexual attraction. A person may be attracted to the same gender but resists the urge for social reasons. That doesn't mean that person has chosen to be attracted to the opposite gender, it means that person is denying what she/he basically desires.
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If the persons that is denying her/him "sexual attraction" do not chose the "sexual attraction", how his person identify the "sexual attraction" to be denied?
 
JFrankA said:
None. A pedophile who never acts on her/his desires is still a pedophile, just denying her/his desires.

So, once again, the desire is there. One can choose not to act on the desire, but the desire doesn't go away: one cannot choose to not have a desire for something.
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That is a interesting excellent analogy.

A homosexual who never acts on her/his desires is still a homosexual, just denying her/his desires.

A heterosexual who never acts on her/his desires is still a heterosexual, just denying her/his desires?

:confused:

"I wonder when was the last time I was denying my desires... Next time that such desires come back I will gladly accept its"

:D
 
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So are you attracted to the same gender, the other gender, or both?

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If you're in the blue area, you like the same gender, but not the other. You're gay/homosexual.
If you're in the green area, you like the other gender, but not your own. You're straight/heterosexual.
If you're in the purple area, you like both genders. You're bisexual.
If you're in the red area, you just don't have sexual desire for anyone in particular. None of the above definitions apply.

I previously described the red area as celibacy, but that doesn't really apply.
 
The red area would be best described as representing asexuality.
 
I Am The Scum said:
So are you attracted to the same gender, the other gender, or both?

If you're in the blue area, you like the same gender, but not the other. You're gay/homosexual.
If you're in the green area, you like the other gender, but not your own. You're straight/heterosexual.
If you're in the purple area, you like both genders. You're bisexual.
If you're in the red area, you just don't have sexual desire for anyone in particular. None of the above definitions apply.

I previously described the red area as celibacy, but that doesn't really apply.
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You forgot this "colours":


Now you will have a chance to draw a rainbow!
Though this is not really descriptions of "explicit sexual acts", I know I wouldn't want my boss to see it on my screen.
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The image was about target sexes, not about things to do with them or gender identities or so on. That is not a failing when the discussion is about homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality. And that site has misinformation, such as that "advocates of Sexual Orientation would legalize these crimes on minors".
 
Alan said:
The image was about target sexes, not about things to do with them or gender identities or so on.
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Are you sure that diagram have nothing to do with "gender identities"?

So are you attracted to the same gender, the other gender, or both?
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Alan said:
That is not a failing when the discussion is about homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality. And that site has misinformation, such as that "advocates of Sexual Orientation would legalize these crimes on minors".
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The site I linked in the post above was just to give a list of Sexual Orientations....
 
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I Am The Scum said:
I have covered the relevant portions. Let's try to stay on topic.
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No, you had not. Your Microsoft Paint picture left important details outside.

It is not just the lack of other sexual orientations in the colours, but also the lack of a variable which represent time period.
 
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SnakeTongue said:
Are you sure that diagram have nothing to do with "gender identities"?


The site I linked in the post above was just to give a list of Sexual Orientations....
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A gender identity is not a sexual orientation, and specific sexual acts are not relevant when discussing the sexes that people are attracted to. Masturbation, for example, is not a "sexual orientation".

Do you distance yourself from the part of the list about gay rights activists being pro-paedophilia?

Change over time is, however, an important factor.
 
Alan said:
A gender identity is not a sexual orientation, and specific sexual acts are not relevant when discussing the sexes that people are attracted to.
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Yes, indeed, gender is not sexual orientation. It is just gender: male or female.

It is no such thing of "gender identity". The word "gender" itself represent an identity.

Alan said:
Masturbation, for example, is not a "sexual orientation".
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It is a sexual conduct influenced by the sexual orientation of the individual performing in such conduct.
 
JFrankA said:
This you MUST explain. What you just said makes absolutely no sense, sorry.
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Masturbation, for example, is not a "sexual orientation".

It is a sexual conduct influenced by the sexual orientation of the individual performing in such conduct.
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Masturbation is the sexual "way of acting".

Indeed, it is not the sexual orientation.

But a question remain: action on what?

Definition of Masturbation:

Masturbation refers to sexual arousal (and often orgasm as well) by manual stimulation of the genitals.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/sex_relationships/facts/masturbation.htm
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It is the "way of acting" with "sexual arousal defined by manual stimulation of the genitals."

I presume if it is a "sexual arousal", the sexual orientation of the person would shape the thoughts to an arousal take place. Consider your own quote:

For example, let's take the "money shot" in porn. To be aroused by watching a man ejaculate sounds incredibly homoerotic. Now stick a woman in the scene, and BOOM - it's considered heterosexual. It the man was alone, (or with other men) it's considered homoerotic. But take the same circumstance, change the situation by one factor, and it's not homoerotic at all.
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If a adult male is paid to masturbate in front of another adult male, how would you identify the sexual orientation of the adult male performing the act? Would this affect the adult male performing? Would this affect the adult male observing the performance?

If sexual conduct is not related to sexual orientation at all, why such questions arise?


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bikerdruid said:
...enough dancing around, snaketongue....answer the damn question...
When did you decide to be heterosexual?
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By the way, I decide to be "heterosexual" five days ago...
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Fail. A refusal to honestly answer this question means that you aren't able to accept the consequences of the true answer, which is that you never made a concious decision to be a heterosexual.
 
The Divine Nature of the Genders

The Rebis (from the Latin 'res bina', meaning dual or double matter)

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The double meaning of the Androgyne

In the “Symposium” of Plato, Aristophanes builds up his speech about love on a myth. In bygone days, only androgynes used to exist. They were composed of two beings of opposite sex, placed side by side. Boosted by their double nature, they wanted to challenge the Gods and therefore Zeus decided to punish the androgynes by splitting them in two. They gave birth to human beings looking just like us. According to Aristophanes, love would be nothing else but a feeling of nostalgia towards our ancient nature and a desperate quest for our lost unity. The union of beings or opposites would portray an attempt to re-find the missing link through the search for soul mate.

http://users.skynet.be/lotus/andro/andro0-en.htm
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Snake- why is it soooo very important for you to believe that homosexuality is a choice?

how does this effect your life...one way or the other?

If scientists say its not a choice, but a product of genetics and early nurturing, why is that not good enough for you?
 
Thunder said:
Snake- why is it soooo very important for you to believe that homosexuality is a choice?

how does this effect your life...one way or the other?

If scientists say its not a choice, but a product of genetics and early nurturing, why is that not good enough for you?
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Get it straight, Thunder.

Would you provide me the statement of such scientists and references to the respective essays?
 
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