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The chain is very short. I discovered it, had a friend take some pictures before I did anything, and then collected it.

You've stated earlier in this thread that you discovered it a year ago. In other words, EIGHT YEARS AFTER the events of 9/11.

The possibility of that dust sample being uncontaminated after that long is so infinitesimally miniscule that it's utterly absurd. As is the possibility of it actually BEING dust from the destruction of the WTC. I call BS.
 
You've stated earlier in this thread that you discovered it a year ago. In other words, EIGHT YEARS AFTER the events of 9/11.

The possibility of that dust sample being uncontaminated after that long is so infinitesimally miniscule that it's utterly absurd. As is the possibility of it actually BEING dust from the destruction of the WTC. I call BS.

After 8 yrs. it would be contaminated!
 
You've stated earlier in this thread that you discovered it a year ago. In other words, EIGHT YEARS AFTER the events of 9/11.

The possibility of that dust sample being uncontaminated after that long is so infinitesimally miniscule that it's utterly absurd. As is the possibility of it actually BEING dust from the destruction of the WTC. I call BS.
What, you don't believe in the "eight year rule"?



:rolleyes:
 
Please note, the following is not, in any way, shape, or form, an endorsement of dusty's 'theory.'

Actually, if it's a solid it must be turned into a liquid.
Not necessarily, no. If I smash a concrete block with a hammer, it doesn't turn to liquid before it turns to dust.

Take an ice cube for example. It's a solid when frozen, then if you let it melt it turns into a liquid, if you heat it up it turns into a vapor. So you're completely wrong on that!
No, actually, she wasn't. Look at dry ice, like she said.

No, you're claiming that it was a DEW, since you support Judy Wood.
Irrelevant to what she posted.

You need to relax. There's plenty of BS to call out without you going bonkers over something you're actually wrong about.
 
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Please note, the following is not, in any way, shape, or form, an endorsement of dusty's 'theory.'


Not necessarily, no.


No, actually, she wasn't. Look at dry ice, like she said.


Irrelevant to what she posted.

You need to relax. There's plenty of BS to call out without you going bonkers over something you're actually wrong about.

Ok, then you try to turn solid steel into dust without it going through the liquid & gas phase. I'm just simply helping her mind improve apon reality here.

To WTC Dust: I didn't live around my grand father & father, who were steel workers btw, to know this.
 
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Regarding when the photos were taken...
Within the past year.

I wonder why you didn't say this when people asked earlier. Remember back when you mentioned them being uploaded to an IPad? Remember how folks said that they must've been taken recently and you demurred, saying that they needn't have been uploaded as soon as they were taken?

And now you admit that they were indeed taken at least eight years after the event.

I'm beginning to see why you keep so much data secret, but stinginess has less to do with it than intellectual dishonesty.
 
Fire smells like what is on fire. A smell professor sampled the smells, and could not identify the smell. From my personal observation, I agree. That smell was unique to me. Nothing smelled anything like it. It was actually more than a smell, because it hurt your nose when you breathed it. Sharp and painful tiny stabs, it felt like.

Yeah, it's a caustic smoke. Not suprising in the least bit.

Have you ever smelled burning flesh?

That is what you were smelling.
 
Invalid contaminated sample.

Sorry, you've got nothing.

/Thread.

I wish she had waited till her live appearance to admit that. They would heard the violent face palms in Jersey City lol.

Glad I skipped over from page 53 to 60 (the last 24 hours worth).
 
Let's say I'm right, and no tail section was found in the hole at Shanksville.

They said a plane crashed there, right? So you'd expect to see something like the remnants of a plane crash when you got there.

Fine. Now, look at as many different plane crashes as you can find, especially ones that involved high speed. Discover how many of them include a tail section that survives an impact.

If you come away with any other value than 100%, please inform me, because I've really tried to find one instance and I can't.
Slow speed impact.
tail1.jpg
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Slow speed impact the tail section did not hit anything because as pilots we tend to try and crash at slow speeds, and usually the times we mess up carrying passengers we are at slow speeds when we mess up, like landing and taking off. If you understood physics, you would not be spewing nonsense like this and other posts which make you appear science free, knowledge free, and not ready to understand 911.
Which means, You spew nonsense.
An engine from flight 93.
flt93debris11d.jpg

Wow, another plane which hit and look, not much is left that looks like a plane.
High speed impact, where is the jet? It is in pieces.
impact5.jpg

No tail; due to high speed impact!
Go ahead show me a high speed impact where a tail section survives. Go ahead, make my decade.
E=1/2mv2, figure it out. The tail section remains in a slow crash, nothing big survives intact during a high speed crash. The energy of a high speed crash is nearly 10 times that of a slow speed crash. Why can't you do physics and make rational claims?


Since practically every picture of a plane crash I've ever seen resembles this image, I agree.

Sometimes the plane is more broken up, but the tail section survives.

The reason the tail section survives more often than the nose of the plane is because the impact of the nose onto the ground actually slows the plane quickly. By the time the tail has a chance to reach the ground, the plane has already stopped, so the tail section survives.

No tail section of a plane at Shanksville? That is a reason to ask questions about that flight, even leading all the way up to the original claim of a hijacking.
The only reason the tail survives is due to the slow speed of the crashes, and the fact the fire destroyed the central part of the planes, the Al melts in the jet fuel fire.

The reason tails survive is due to slow speed impacts and the energy involved. Got physics? I showed you an imapct with no tail, oops, it was just like 93, a high speed impact.

Do you have any images of the plane they reconstructed from the pieces they found at Shanksville?
You only put a plane back together to determine the reason the plane crashed. 93 crashed because the terrorists flew the plane into the ground. Due to a FOIA release I have the FDR information which shows the terrorists pilot inputs to the crash.

Accidents are when the NTSB puts planes back together to determine cause, crimes are done by the FBI and the plane had no problems on 911 so there is zero need to reconstruct the planes. This is a simple point, why can't you get the simple points correct. Why do you disrespect NYC victims by making up lies?

Do you have an image of the tail section of Flight 93?
The tail was smashed in the impact. Part of the tail are all over the crash site.

I'm not a person who says those flights actually flew on 9/11. Other people are saying this happened, and I can't account for the words of other people.

My work is forensic work, and I automatically discount hearsay evidence.

Since we didn't have other types of evidence that the flights existed, the evidence that they didn't exist is all we have.

We didn't find enough plane parts at any of the attack locations on 9/11 to put together a plane. 4 plane "crashes" but 0 planes? Very strange. Which is why I study forensic evidence instead of hearsay. Who can tell why people say the things they do? I'm not a psychologist.
You don't put planes back together which crashed due to crime when you know the pilots, the terrorist pilots flew the planes on purpose into the ground, and buildings. Sorry, this is simple stuff and your lack of skills in physics is showing. The tails of these planes would have the same chance of survival as the wings, they are all strong, but in a high speed impact there is little change the wings or tail sections will survive.

The wings normally survive impacts like tail sections in-slow speed crashes, but the wings carry thousands of gallons of jet fuel and they melt in the fires; there is no fuel in the tail section, it usually does not burn up in fire, so you see tails, and not much more in crashes with fires. Your lack of knowledge in this subject area is not a surprise since you have the insane steel turns to dust claim.

Flight 11, 175, 77 and 93 flew on 911, and making up nonsense about them you are disrespectful of those who died on 911. Very poor work.
 
I'm beginning to see why you keep so much data secret, but stinginess has less to do with it than intellectual dishonesty.

It's a necessary part of the hoax to misrepresent the evidence, such that it is.

Problem with Dr Blevin's sample is also that there are no control samples to compare with; if this sample (whatever it is) is very different from anything else collected by USGS, for example, then it should probably be eliminated as NOT representative of actual WTC dust.

Remember, the USGS collected samples immediately after 9/11, between September 17, 2001 and a few days after that.
The samples were properly and professionally identified and documented, and that information was published.

35 locations were selected for samples, vs Dr Blevin's single source, some 8 years after the collapses.

Of these dozens of samples, not a single one contains a majority of ferrous materials. By far the major component of the samples contain, in order of abundance:

Gypsum
Muscovite
Organic Compounds (CH)

and in the smallest amount, in almost every case Fe2+

'The results of analyses completed so far show a consistent picture: the samples are largely composed of gypsum, cellulose, and miscellaneous materials common in a building, with minor asbestiform minerals. However, one sample analyzed, the coating on a steel beam, indicates the presence of a significant abundance of chrysotile asbestos (as much as 20% by volume)'
'Fe2+ indicates minerals or materials containing ferrous iron'

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/results.html

Just to be very clear - if Dr Blevin's fantastical theory (borrowed from Judy Wood) were correct, then the dustified steel would HAVE to show up all over the place, in sample after sample.

Clearly, this is not the case. But Dr Blevins will no doubt attempt to dismiss all the overwhelming evidence which directly refutes her claim, and march on with her hoax. Using material which could have been collecting for deposited years after 9/11.....
 
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The tail was smashed in the impact. Part of the tail are all over the crash site.


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Flight 11, 175, 77 and 93 flew on 911, and making up nonsense about them you are disrespectful of those who died on 911. Very poor work.

Well put. It's very fitting that Dr Blevins is also a no-planer, and even mocks 'plane-huggers'. It's actually fortunate in a way, because it guarantees that nobody of importance will ever take her seriously.
 
She wants to doctor the "dust" but is unsure how and if she can pull it off.


My bold
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Problem with Dr Blevin's sample is also that there are no control samples to compare with; if this sample (whatever it is) is very different from anything else collected by USGS, for example, then it should probably be eliminated as NOT representative of actual WTC dust.

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35 locations were selected for samples, vs Dr Blevin's single source, some 8 years after the collapses.

Of these dozens of samples, not a single one contains a majority of ferrous materials. By far the major component of the samples contain, in order of abundance:

Gypsum
Muscovite
Organic Compounds (CH)

and in the smallest amount, in almost every case Fe2+

………….
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/results.html

Just to be very clear - if Dr Blevin's fantastical theory (borrowed from Judy Wood) were correct, then the dustified steel would HAVE to show up all over the place, in sample after sample.

Clearly, this is not the case. But Dr Blevins will no doubt attempt to dismiss all the overwhelming evidence which directly refutes her claim, and march on with her hoax. Using material which could have been collecting for deposited years after 9/11.....



Oops bet she didn't know that. Time for the dust fairy to remove some of those iron shavings from the samples. (But how much and still be believable ?)
 
Slow speed impact.
[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/tail1.jpg[/qimg]'
Slow speed impact the tail section did not hit anything because as pilots we tend to try and crash at slow speeds, and usually the times we mess up carrying passengers we are at slow speeds when we mess up, like landing and taking off. If you understood physics, you would not be spewing nonsense like this and other posts which make you appear science free, knowledge free, and not ready to understand 911.
Which means, You spew nonsense.
An engine from flight 93.
[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11d.jpg[/qimg]
Wow, another plane which hit and look, not much is left that looks like a plane.
High speed impact, where is the jet? It is in pieces.
[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/impact5.jpg[/qimg]
No tail; due to high speed impact!
Go ahead show me a high speed impact where a tail section survives. Go ahead, make my decade.
E=1/2mv2, figure it out. The tail section remains in a slow crash, nothing big survives intact during a high speed crash. The energy of a high speed crash is nearly 10 times that of a slow speed crash. Why can't you do physics and make rational claims?


The only reason the tail survives is due to the slow speed of the crashes, and the fact the fire destroyed the central part of the planes, the Al melts in the jet fuel fire.

The reason tails survive is due to slow speed impacts and the energy involved. Got physics? I showed you an imapct with no tail, oops, it was just like 93, a high speed impact.

You only put a plane back together to determine the reason the plane crashed. 93 crashed because the terrorists flew the plane into the ground. Due to a FOIA release I have the FDR information which shows the terrorists pilot inputs to the crash.

Accidents are when the NTSB puts planes back together to determine cause, crimes are done by the FBI and the plane had no problems on 911 so there is zero need to reconstruct the planes. This is a simple point, why can't you get the simple points correct. Why do you disrespect NYC victims by making up lies?

The tail was smashed in the impact. Part of the tail are all over the crash site.


You don't put planes back together which crashed due to crime when you know the pilots, the terrorist pilots flew the planes on purpose into the ground, and buildings. Sorry, this is simple stuff and your lack of skills in physics is showing. The tails of these planes would have the same chance of survival as the wings, they are all strong, but in a high speed impact there is little change the wings or tail sections will survive.

The wings normally survive impacts like tail sections in-slow speed crashes, but the wings carry thousands of gallons of jet fuel and they melt in the fires; there is no fuel in the tail section, it usually does not burn up in fire, so you see tails, and not much more in crashes with fires. Your lack of knowledge in this subject area is not a surprise since you have the insane steel turns to dust claim.

Flight 11, 175, 77 and 93 flew on 911, and making up nonsense about them you are disrespectful of those who died on 911. Very poor work.

How about ValuJet flight 593 into the everglades. And that was swampy mud and water.

ETA: Not to mention that the reason that the NTSB puts a plane back together, is to determine what caused the crash. We know what caused the crashes of all 4 jets on 9/11.
 
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