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Here's a quote attributed to Nikola Tesla:

Please don't ever, ever quote someone like Tesla since you fail at physics.

Tesla was a genius no doubt...but he was wrong about some things...which is understandable considering what we did not understand while he was alive.

If Tesla has been alive today, he would have revised some of his ideas in the face of what we now know.

In contrast, you hold on to insane ideas and failed physics despite the overwhelming evidence against your inane ideas.

Quoting Tesla by any truther is an insult to the mans work and memory.

Please refrain from doing it.

You should be quoting people like Gage or Jones or Woods....they are more in line with you failed, nutty ideas.
 
No Dave.

She has yet to provide a source saying that the first Memorial Service was interrupted....

Color me suprised.....:rolleyes:
 
Tesla was a genius but he was also nuts. As opposed to Dusty and Judy Wood who are just nuts.
 
Seems like, when I was a child, every science fiction movie I saw that involved a mad scientist had a Tesla coil prominently displayed on the set. Wonder where they got that idea.
 
I plan to serve refreshments and have entertainment! Someone is busy writing a rap song for me. I've invited an additional speaker. I'm working on getting together the audiovisual crew. It's a challenge to get this thing together, really. Hope some people show up!!!

On second thought...my cookies and I are going to keep our distance. Nothing personal.
 
Why should I do easy calculations that other people can do and that are not relevant to the theory?

My theory isn't a quantitative theory. You don't hear me saying that 78.5% of the steel was turned into dust. You hear me say that the WTC was largely turned into dust, leaving the quantitation out of it.

You don't have a theory. A theory is a tool used by science to explain something in the natural world. Your "theory" doesn't explain anything.

We know how much energy it is possible to get from gravity, but who cares? Gravity didn't destroy the WTC. It's a pointless calculation, and I don't do such things for show. Gravity plays no role in the destruction of the WTC. It only plays a role in the falling of the dust, which occurred after the WTC was destroyed.

If you are just yanking our chains to get attention, then you deserve every bit of ridicule you receive here.

If, on the other hand, you are really a research scientist with a PhD, let me give you some advice: Hire a lawyer and sue the institution that gave you that degree. They ripped you off.

At the very least, an institution that confers graduate degrees should produce alumni with a high-school understanding of how the real world works. Your alma mater failed to do that in your case.
 
Here's a quote attributed to Nikola Tesla:

Tesla also claimed that his OSCILLATOR could knock down any building and even split the earth in half:

"So powerful are the effects of the telegeodynamic oscillator", said Tesla in reviewing the subject in the thirties, "that I could go over to the Empire State Building and reduce it to a tangled mass of wreckage in a very short time. I could accomplish this result with utmost certainty and without any difficulty whatever. I would use a small mechanical vibrating device, an engine so small you could slip it in your pocket. I could attach it to any part of the building, start it in operation, allow it twelve or thirteen minutes to come to full resonance. The building would first respond with gentle tremors, and the vibrations would then become so powerful that the whole structure would go into resonant oscillations of such great amplitude and power
that the rivets in the steel beams would be loosened and sheared. The outer stone coating would be thrown off and then the skeleton steel structure would collapse in all its parts. It would take about 2.5 horsepower to drive the oscillator to produce this effect." (O' Neill, Prodigal Genius, p. 165).

A) "Prodigal Genius" was written in 1944

B) John O'Neill was a journalist with the New York Herald Tribune. While he covered science and won a Pulitzer, he is not an expert in the fields of physics that Nikola Tesla covered

C) Large excerpts of the book can bee read at Google Books. So far as I can see, there is no reference given by O'Neill to source the quote. Apparently, it is from Tesla's private notes.

D) 2.5 horse powers for 13 minutes? That is 1838W * 780s = 1,43MJ of energy. That is equivalent to 362g of thermite, or 305g of TNT. Under the best of circumstances (perfect efficiency of energy transfer very narrowly focussed on select pieces), that might snap you a handfull of bolts, but won't bring you nowhere near any serious threat to the integrity of the building. That energy is more than 5 orders of magnitude less than the potential energy of gravity. This much energy is contained in 53g of peanut butter - enough to spread on two slices of toast, and that's not counting the grape jelly yet!

E) This idea of "telegeodynamic oscillator" involves mechanical vibrations, brought about by mechanical, not electrical devices. It requires mechanical contact through solid material. This is at odds with every other claim Dusty or Judy have ever made.

F) Tesla was out of his mind, or pulling O'Neill's leg.
 
Not really. (Just my opinion as a veteran Air Force fire fighter.)



There was none at the crash site when the Value Jet crashed in the Everglades. (NOTHING was visible on the surface.) Somewhere around here, Beachnut posted a photo of an unidentified crash site where the aircraft was entirely buried in what may have been old land fill. The ground at Shanksville was relatively uncompacted fill, possibly tailings and glacial till. Paul Klipsch's thirty-feet long Spitfire was buried about three feet deep in very stiff, compact clay and compressed into a wad five feet high. Sand and fist-sized cobbles, for the most part. Much more yielding than European clay. There are photos of very small bits of aluminum all over the place, mostly from the rear of the aircraft, all down-range of the impact crater. Admittedly, an amateur might expect the tail to still be identifiable. They do tend to break off rather easily but they have been known to follow the rest of the aircraft into a crater. Sometimes, they bounce out. Some times they don't. Having not seen the individual pieces from Shanksville identified by location and presumed part of the aircraft, I would speculate that the tail eith followed the rest of the aircraft into the crater and was buried when the temporary channel into the ground collapsed or it was shattered on imppact with the ground, thus scattered about with the other small scrap.

Understand that in a normal crash, the vertical stabilizer remains vertical with the narrow end pointing at the sky for at least a little while after the empanage has separated from the fuselage so that it sustains fewer blows to damage it.

This was not the case at Shanksville. The shape of the crater and the way that the ground is pushed up on the down-range side show clearly that the plane was up-side-down on impact. There is also a clearly visible impact mark in all the aerial shots immediately after the crash. The vertical stabilizer clarly impacted with the ground, subjecting it to impact and shearing forces far beyond what a normal crash would involve, I dout that any large pieces were left when it stopped moving.

There is a far better crash site to which the crater of Flt 93 could be compared. The Caspian Air crash in July of 2009 reduced the aircraft to very small shards of metal, with a few of the control surfaces still identifiable.

The crater of Caspian Air did not look like that at Shanksville, but that does not prove that they should have looked the same. The ground into which the Caspian Air plane crashed was far firmer than that at Shanksville. There was about three or four feet of what appears to be brown loess soil over a darker layer of what appears to be mudstone. The impact blew a lot of the soil and the underlieing stone out of the crater, along with an assortment of scrap. The empanage, thus, was not subjected to the same impact as that on Flt 93, but it still sustained far more serious damage than is normal.

What is most important, for comparative purposes, is the depth of the crater. It is only slightly shallower than that at at Shanksville, but did not collapse back around the aircraft because the walls of the crater were far more stable. Had the ground there been as soft as that at Shanksville, it is unlikely that as much debris would have been found on the surface.

No laws of physics were broken at Shanksville, nor should it raise an eyebrow among those familiar with aircraft accidents that there was so little left on the surface.

You really need to stop what you are doing and run your evidence by a few more fire fighters and maybe a welder or two before you make an utter fool of yourself in public.



Do you have any images of the plane they reconstructed from the pieces they found at Shanksville?
 
No laws of physics were broken at Shanksville, nor should it raise an eyebrow among those familiar with aircraft accidents that there was so little left on the surface.

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Why are you even suggesting that the laws of physics might have been broken at Shanksville? Seems like an odd thing to defend. Are there people who say that the laws of physics were broken? They aren't the kind of laws that can be broken, just modified.
 
Actually, no. The empanage is often built as a somewhat separate structure from the rest of the fuselage. They break off easily. This is especially true of Boeing aircraft, from what I have seen. This is also why the black boxes are usually installed in some part of the empanage. They are more likely to survive there. As I recall, the empanage of a 747 once blew out in flight when a bulkhead failed. There were no survivors.

Do you have an image of the tail section of Flight 93?
 
If no aircraft crashed on 9/11 where are they now? what happened to them?
Where are the passengers and crews that were aboard the aircraft?

I'm not a person who says those flights actually flew on 9/11. Other people are saying this happened, and I can't account for the words of other people.

My work is forensic work, and I automatically discount hearsay evidence.

Since we didn't have other types of evidence that the flights existed, the evidence that they didn't exist is all we have.

We didn't find enough plane parts at any of the attack locations on 9/11 to put together a plane. 4 plane "crashes" but 0 planes? Very strange. Which is why I study forensic evidence instead of hearsay. Who can tell why people say the things they do? I'm not a psychologist.
 
That sure sounds like the business to me. I note that the other posters don't seem to be impressed at all.

I know. I'm not allowed to talk about Tesla because I fail at physics? I got an A in physics in high school and a B in physics in college (plus somehow I managed to get an A in college physics lab).

I didn't take physics in grad school, but I never failed a single physics class or any class I ever took.
 
You can't figure out why it might be important to know who took the photo, really?

Stop and think about it for a while and see if you can't figure it out.

I noticed that you ignored the other points AGAIN.

I'll make you a deal, answer my other points and I'll give you the answer to that question. Do we have a deal?

If I don't understand the question, I don't understand it. I feel like you're trying to do some kind of gotcha on me, so I decline. If you don't want to explain yourself, that's ok.
 
I'd like to announce that I have some dust from Mrs. Blevin's bedroom. It is almost 100% cow dung.
A material, by the way, that is about 4 times as energetic as nanothermite :D

After reading her blog, I can't imagine you are too far off the mark of this being literal...


:D
 
WTC Dust:

It sounds like the piece you got is magnetic. Do you want to guess how many things in todays world have magnets it them? What makes you think it would be unusual to find something like this after the collapse of an office building.

I"m in my office and I can count at least 20 things with magnets in them.
 
Toilets? What have toilets got to do with anything?

The Casimir effect has been observed between metal plates with a sub-micron separation in vacuum. You think changing a magnetic field in some unspecified way can reverse the effect and produce sufficient force to reduce very large steel beams to iron vapour. I'd like to know what magnetic field you believe needs to be applied, and where and how.

Not iron vapor. Iron particles. And I'm not sure what you mean by asking about the particular magnetic field. I'm talking about the magnetic field surrounding the WTC, isn't that clear?
 
Have you explored how large all that iron would become if expanded to 1 atom per micrometer?

My first rough calculation suggests each kilogram would fill a sphere almost 250m across. What figure do you get?

Obviously, since steel remained, the weapon didn't fully dissociate all of the steel. And, since the dust existed in tiny particles instead of vaporous iron, it didn't even dissociate all of the iron at a micro level.

This is to say that a calculation of fully perfect dissociation of every molecule of iron in the steel beams can give a maximum expansion value, and the expected results in real life would be less than this due to imperfections in implementation.

Why don't you show us how you got to the 250m sphere? I can comment on your calculations.
 
I see that the use of quotes around the word dust ("dust") in my posts were entirely valid.

Nothing about your "dust" is important until you can show the origin of your "dust". You can't do that, so everything else you say about your "dust" is moot.

I showed you an image of the dust in situ. You want me to give you the lady's phone number and address? She doesn't want to be contacted by you folks.
 
I know. I'm not allowed to talk about Tesla because I fail at physics? I got an A in physics in high school and a B in physics in college (plus somehow I managed to get an A in college physics lab).

I didn't take physics in grad school, but I never failed a single physics class or any class I ever took.


If you are telling the truth about getting good grades in physics, either (1) You forgot everything you learned (2) Your schools granted good grades for showing up regardless if you actually grasped the material (3) You are somehow able to have a grasp on physics while not having it at the same time (4) You are just putting us on with this nonsense for fun or for some other benifit to you.

Seriously, any high school student with even a basic grasp of physics can see that your "theory" is complete nonsense.
 
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