WTC dust

[WTC Dust]

Have you tested the fibres in the lighter dust for strength and toughmess ? Are they surprisingly strong ?

No, I haven't, Bill. That's a good thing to think about trying in the future.

 

[WTC Dust]

We are, however, trained in structural engineering. And unfortunately for you, that explains the collapse of WTC1 and 2 pretty damned well. Without the need to invest space rays.

Being an architect, can you show any other buildings that were destroyed in this manner?

 

[dtugg]

Being an architect, can you show any other buildings that were destroyed in this manner?

How many other buildings had 767s fly into them at high speed?

 

[WTC Dust]

Dude, you've already been schooled by Clinger and Dave Rogers about this: Gravitational acceleration would have resulted in 9.22s for something at the top of the towers.

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ONLY if nothing resisted the fall of the object, like say STEEL BEAMS!!!

 

[HyJinX]

I can't prove it, but I am attempting to prove that the steel of the WTC was turned into dust.

How did it turn to dust?

 

[WTC Dust]

After 393 posts, if you just told us one thing at once, you'd have finished by now.

Dave

I've showed you two data slides. Images that do not exist on the interwebs. Until this thread.

 

[DGM]

I'm not giving you my very best. I'm giving you the images that show what I'm talking about.

Two different types of dust (at least).

So basically you just want us to sit back and listen? There's no way we can make any comments on the dust samples, considering all you've giving us is bad pictures of something with no way of knowing where it came from.

 

[dtugg]

I've showed you two data slides. Images that do not exist on the interwebs. Until this thread.

Extremely bad images that tell us nothing other than that a horrible photographer took photos of some dust.

 

[WTC Dust]

How did it turn to dust?

Very good question. The answer, I believe, is that an electrical weapon dissolved the steel while it was standing there. I cannot prove this definitively at this point, but what I believe I can prove is that steel was turned into dust.

 

[WTC Dust]

So basically you just want us to sit back and listen? There's no way we can make any comments on the dust samples, considering all you've giving us is bad pictures of something with no way of knowing where it came from.

You can comment on what is actually in the images. I find these images very interesting.

 

[dtugg]

but what I believe I can prove is that steel was turned into dust.

Get on with it. Your "proof" should be good for a laugh.

 

[HyJinX]

Very good question. The answer, I believe, is that an electrical weapon dissolved the steel while it was standing there. I cannot prove this definitively at this point, but what I believe I can prove is that steel was turned into dust.

First, you must prove that said weapon existed, was operational and had the ability to do what you say it did. Second, you must prove that the steel actually turned to dust and third, you must connect the dust and weapon used. So far, you're zero for three on this topic. You've admitted that you cannot prove that a DEW weapon even exists. From where I'm standing at this point, you have proven that unicorns should also be a contender for your dust theory.

 

[DGM]

You can comment on what is actually in the images. I find these images very interesting.

OK. The first looks like a burnt pile of unknown debris. The second is so out of focus I have no idea what it is (or could be).

 

[Dave Rogers]

ONLY if nothing resisted the fall of the object, like say STEEL BEAMS!!!

The steel columns resulted in about a 1 second increase in collapse time. This number is small because any section of steel column could only resisted collapse until it broke, which happens at a relatively small compression. For the majority of the collapse, therefore, the steel columns were offering no resistance; each section only offered resistance for the brief period of time between impact and failure.

There is another component to the collapse time due to conservation of momentum in inelastic collisions between the upper block and stationary parts of the lower structure; in effect, the lower block had to accelerate debris from the lower structure as it fell, and this decelerated the upper block. This added about another three seconds to the collapse time. It didn't add any more because the upper block was very much heavier than each floor it encountered.

For some reason, Judy Wood believes the upper block had to stop dead every time it encountered any part of the structure below. This is laughably absurd and violates the law of conservation of momentum, but is the reason why her calculation suggests that the collapse time should have been a minute or more. Calculations based on an understanding of the laws of physics, rather than a deliberate attempt to misinterpret them, give collapse times of typically 12-16 seconds depending on assumptions. And, as I've said before, this agrees very well with the observed collapse time.

What's ironic is that, if the buildings had turned to dust and then fallen, they would have fallen more quickly than was observed, because then there would literally be no resistance. The 5 seconds or do by which the towers fell more slowly than freefall is disproof, not proof, of the dustification fantasy.

I prefer not to use the word "theory" for such inane trash.

Dave

 

[DGM]

WTC Dust:

I suspect your in the wrong forum. Your showing us nothing and expecting us to take you seriously. I think you would get better responses at perhaps the David Icke site.


Maybe you should try there and let us know how it goes.

 

[Architect]

Being an architect, can you show any other buildings that were destroyed in this manner?

Let me be quite clear, as you set up your little perfection fallacy:

You have tardily agreed that fire does cause weakening of steel structures.

Are you now claiming that such weakening cannot lead to widescale collapse?

 

[DGM]

First, you must prove that said weapon existed, was operational and had the ability to do what you say it did. Second, you must prove that the steel actually turned to dust and third, you must connect the dust and weapon used. So far, you're zero for three on this topic. You've admitted that you cannot prove that a DEW weapon even exists. From where I'm standing at this point, you have proven that unicorns should also be a contender for your dust theory.

Actually the first thing to prove is that all the steel that was collected did not actually exist. This implicates a lot of people in this supposed cover-up.

 

[Justin39640]

Since they don't exist (DEWs that can destroy skyscrapers) nothing. If they did exist, it would be extremely expensive. Much more than the perhaps few million dollars a year it takes to operate a B-52.

That laser the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and the DOE made to start a fusion reaction cost 3.5 to build and is housed in a building the size of three football fields. I'm sure the utility bills must be substantial.

Hate to see this thing trying to be crammed onto the ISS.

 

[Justin39640]

That you misstate my views shows your case is weak. MONTHS of heavy fumes, and fumes that continued for an entire year, buddy. That ain't a "few hours". Explain.

Coal seam fires can last for years underground because, like ground zero, there is plenty of fuel available.

Every vehicle buried under the towers was a potential fire started. From batteries arcing and gas tanks rupturing with sparks from shifting debris. I find your view of ground zero disturbing. You don't seem to grasp the randomness of the pile and the hazards it possessed.

I personally (as a New Yorker) think you don't live anywhere near the Tri-State Area let alone Battery Park.

 

[Justin39640]

Take a butter knife and hold it in your fingers at arms length with the point facing down. Drop it on a hard floor.

What happened?

AMAZING. Nobody seems to be able to explicitly describe the phenomena.

I guess you are shocked when your game of Jenga goes all over the table/floor and not into a neat 'lil pile in its own footprint

Just sayin...