How far have we come with homosexuality?

[SnakeTongue]

Not too long ago, for example, an APA-approved study, "Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?" argued that people who object to homosexuality in fact have a deep attraction toward it—and presumably need therapy to get over their conflicted feelings. This May in Chicago, further evidence of this troubling trend revealed itself at an APA conference workshop: "Is Homophobia a Mental Illness?"—as indeed the use of the term to describe those who disapprove of homosexuality implies. The politicized tenor of the session revealed itself from the outset, when two of the four male panelists kissed each other on the lips immediately prior to the presentations—exhibiting a provocative attitude toward appropriate professional behavior, if nothing else. To the extent one could glean a definition of homophobia from the confused panelists—as a scientific or theoretical discussion, the session didn't rise above the high school level—it seemed to be simply this: to oppose the agenda of homosexual-rights activism, or even to disapprove of homosexual acts means that one is mentally ill.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_3_sndgs08.html

 

[cwalner]

Should I start to cry now?



I had such experiences, but I became stronger with it.

your attitude indicates otherwise. I think that you completely missed the main point of my post and have had no such similar experiences.

 

[SnakeTongue]

your attitude indicates otherwise. I think that you completely missed the main point of my post and have had no such similar experiences.

Oh yes, during the school time I was punched, kicked, persecuted and bullied just because I was a very thin boy.

But I learned how to use words like an weapon to confront the attacks.

I also had the protection of my colleagues, which I made just using wit language.

That is why pity statements like yours make me laugh...

 

[AvalonXQ]

That is why pity statements like yours make me laugh...

Pity statement make you laugh because you are a bad person. Go away.

 

[cwalner]

Oh yes, during the school time I was punched, kicked, persecuted and bullied just because I was a very thin boy.

But I learned how to use words like an weapon to confront the attacks.

I also had the protection of my colleagues, which I made just using wit language.

That is why pity statements like yours make me laugh...

Thank your fully demonstrating what I said in that what you experienced was not at all similar to what I experienced and you completely missed the relevant part of my post.

I also was a very small boy and suffered bullying because of that. I also learned to use words to diffuse fights and when neccesary, speed and agility to win them (I earned the nickname Mighty Mouse). Those numerous incidents don't haunt me to this day and they have all run together that I can no longer distinguish one from another.

Yet, this one incident that I related I still remember 30+ years later. It still pains me a little when I think about it. It was not just a physical attack, but a brutal psychological attack. It was essentially a hate crime. The problem was not the beating (as I said that I recovered from in less than an hour). It was the menace behind it, the implication that I somehow deserved the punishment because of who I was, that I would receive eternal punishment for the same reason, and there was nothing I could do to avert either. That is what truly hurt, and occasionally creates lingering pain even to this day.

That is the type of bullying that gay kids receive in schools today. That is what Dan Savage was talking about in the link, and I was empathizing with. That your attitude teaches the bullies that gays do not deserve equal rights, that they are not fully deserving of human dignity, and that tormenting them both physically and psychologically is acceptable.

The fact that you can dismiss basic human empathy as a 'pity statement' and find laughable someone relating a tale of being a victim of a hate crime makes you a possibly a sociopath and a completely reprehensible example of the worst that humanity has to offer.

I don't want or need your pity. I instead offer you my pity for your miserable sense of self that you find humor, not compassion, in witnessing the suffering of others. That you are so incable of connecting to other human beings. Yes, I offer you my pity, because, quite frankly, you are pitiful.

 

[Alt+F4]

Give it up Its over guys. That ship has sailed and in a generation those who oppose gay rights will be seen for what it is....bigotry. When I was a kid discrimination against gays was hardcore and you would never ever see it on prime time television. My kids dont see that as a problem now and neither do most other kids of this generation. So as the current group of those in power leave and are replaced with todays kids this wont even be an issue.

The President of the United States is opposed to gay marriage for no other reason than his "Christian beliefs". Obama isn't some old political fart, he's quite mainstream so the fight for marriage equity has a long way to go.

 

[Emet]

The President of the United States is opposed to gay marriage for no other reason than his "Christian beliefs". Obama isn't some old political fart, he's quite mainstream so the fight for marriage equity has a long way to go.

But people can change their views:

President Barack Obama told a group of liberal bloggers Wednesday that his views on same-sex marriage, which he has previously opposed, are evolving and that society is moving in the direction of granting marriage rights to same-sex couples.

"I have been to this point unwilling to sign on to same-sex marriage primarily because of my understandings of the traditional definitions of marriage. But I also think you’re right that attitudes evolve, including mine," Obama said in response to a question from Joe Subday of Americablog.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1010/Obama_says_hes_evolving_on_gay_marriage.html

 

[Alt+F4]

But people can change their views:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1010/Obama_says_hes_evolving_on_gay_marriage.html

Gosh, that was a wish-washy answer he gave. How can one's opinion "evolve" if it's based on a sincere religious belief? I like this comment to the article:

Translation:- "I'll be what ever you want me to be in order to get your vote!"

 

[cwalner]

Gosh, that was a wish-washy answer he gave. How can one's opinion "evolve" if it's based on a sincere religious belief? I like this comment to the article:

Translation:- "I'll be what ever you want me to be in order to get your vote!"

That's my frustration with the Democrats (especially in national politics more than local). They talk the talk about gay rights, but when push comes to shove, its not a big enough priority to actually do anything about it.

 

[Alt+F4]

That's my frustration with the Democrats (especially in national politics more than local). They talk the talk about gay rights, but when push comes to shove, its not a big enough priority to actually do anything about it.

Indeed. Does anyone really think Obama would spew this crap about "evolving" in regard to gay marriage if he were speaking at a conservative African-American church?

 

[quadraginta]

Indeed. Does anyone really think Obama would spew this crap about "evolving" in regard to gay marriage if he were speaking at a conservative African-American church?

It isn't clear to me if it would make any difference where he was, unless he was concerned about violence from the crowd.

Very little any president says in any venue is intended solely for the consumption of those actually present. Any comments he makes concerning a hot button topic are going to be be widely reported, and those sensitive to the issue are going to hear them anyway.

 

[ZirconBlue]

But I learned how to use words like an weapon to confront the attacks.

Ahhh. That explains so much. You have spent so much time using words like a weapon, that you no longer remember how to use words as a communication tool.

 

[cwalner]

Ahhh. That explains so much. You have spent so much time using words like a weapon, that you no longer remember how to use words as a communication tool.

I agree. He has focused so much on aggresively using words as a weapon to vigorously attack on the offense, that everything that he says is now offensive.

 

[SnakeTongue]

Thank your fully demonstrating what I said in that what you experienced was not at all similar to what I experienced and you completely missed the relevant part of my post.

I also was a very small boy and suffered bullying because of that. I also learned to use words to diffuse fights and when neccesary, speed and agility to win them (I earned the nickname Mighty Mouse). Those numerous incidents don't haunt me to this day and they have all run together that I can no longer distinguish one from another.

Might mouse... I like that.

Yet, this one incident that I related I still remember 30+ years later. It still pains me a little when I think about it. It was not just a physical attack, but a brutal psychological attack. It was essentially a hate crime. The problem was not the beating (as I said that I recovered from in less than an hour). It was the menace behind it, the implication that I somehow deserved the punishment because of who I was, that I would receive eternal punishment for the same reason, and there was nothing I could do to avert either. That is what truly hurt, and occasionally creates lingering pain even to this day.

That is the type of bullying that gay kids receive in schools today. That is what Dan Savage was talking about in the link, and I was empathizing with. That your attitude teaches the bullies that gays do not deserve equal rights, that they are not fully deserving of human dignity, and that tormenting them both physically and psychologically is acceptable.

This is the kind of bullying that any kid can receive in schools today.

Being gay is not like skin color. It is not possible to perceive the sexual orientation of an individual without enough time to gather evidence and reach a conclusion.

This means that homosexuals boys and girls will just be bullied if they openly admit they sexual choice to other kids. But this is something which rarely happens, because boys and girls do not speak about sex with deep concern, except when those boys and girls reach the puberty. So your statement is false and express just your will to put the homosexual kids in a special place as victims of the heterosexual kids.

Do you think that homosexual kids do not also bully other kids?

The fact that you can dismiss basic human empathy as a 'pity statement' and find laughable someone relating a tale of being a victim of a hate crime makes you a possibly a sociopath and a completely reprehensible example of the worst that humanity has to offer.

This is forum in the cyberspace. It is not empathy here, except in the abstract form of signs and symbols.

Empathy require face-to-face interaction, when different individuals can understand better each other with their full five senses.

What is laughable for me is your effort to use your experience as an analogy to create a false image of homosexuals being victims of bulling in the schools.

I don't want or need your pity. I instead offer you my pity for your miserable sense of self that you find humor, not compassion, in witnessing the suffering of others.

In no moment I offered you my pity, I just called your statement pity.

You should have keep your experience to the appropriate subject.

In the moment you expressed your experience of being bullied because religious reasons in a thread about homosexuality, you put yourself under the risk of being criticized.

That you are so incable of connecting to other human beings. Yes, I offer you my pity, because, quite frankly, you are pitiful.

No, I am not.

"I don't want or need your pity."

 

[SnakeTongue]

Pity statement make you laugh because you are a bad person. Go away.

Ahhh. That explains so much. You have spent so much time using words like a weapon, that you no longer remember how to use words as a communication tool.

I agree. He has focused so much on aggresively using words as a weapon to vigorously attack on the offense, that everything that he says is now offensive.

Your comments remember me the film The Good, The Bad and The Ugly with Clint Eastwood.

It is a classic, you should watch, even if you do not appreciate far west movies.

 

[RockNroll]

The fact that you can dismiss basic human empathy as a 'pity statement' and find laughable someone relating a tale of being a victim of a hate crime makes you a possibly a sociopath and a completely reprehensible example of the worst that humanity has to offer.

I don't want or need your pity. I instead offer you my pity for your miserable sense of self that you find humor, not compassion, in witnessing the suffering of others. That you are so incable of connecting to other human beings. Yes, I offer you my pity, because, quite frankly, you are pitiful.

Woah there, no need to bring sociopaths into this.
My limited ability for empathy in no way prevents me from seeing Snaketongue's posting as the irrational, moronic drivel that it is.

In fact, my mild case of antisocial personality disorder is probably one of the reasons I'm so pro-gay: it is not in my interest to live in a society where "different" people are ostracized for no reason.

 

[cwalner]

Woah there, no need to bring sociopaths into this.
My limited ability for empathy in no way prevents me from seeing Snaketongue's posting as the irrational, moronic drivel that it is.

In fact, my mild case of antisocial personality disorder is probably one of the reasons I'm so pro-gay: it is not in my interest to live in a society where "different" people are ostracized for no reason.

You are right and I apologize.

It was wrong of me to insult sociopaths by comparing them to SnakeTongue

 

[SnakeTongue]

Woah there, no need to bring sociopaths into this.
My limited ability for empathy in no way prevents me from seeing Snaketongue's posting as the irrational, moronic drivel that it is.

In fact, my mild case of antisocial personality disorder is probably one of the reasons I'm so pro-gay: it is not in my interest to live in a society where "different" people are ostracized for no reason.

Now I am a "moronic irrational homophobic bigot drivel".

I just wonder where is the hard evidence to prove all that...

 

[RockNroll]

I just wonder where is the hard evidence to prove all that...

All over this thread.

 

[SnakeTongue]

All over this thread.

I am amazed with the details of your answer.

Would you address the subject of the thread and point off where I am being at least irrational?

Or you will follow the example of seniors users and just resort to the well know slur-like language to express how much you cannot address what I expose?