How far have we come with homosexuality?

[bikerdruid]

Please, provide clear evidence of homophobia in the content presented in the web page.

http://gayconspiracy.info/index.html

By infiltrating our religious, civic and state institutions, the gay lobby has created a universal super hoax. Using stealth and deception they claim that homosexuality is a normal healthy alternative life-style. In society's rush not to offend homosexual behaviour, most well-meaning people fail to recognize that every advance for the homosexual agenda comes at the expense of rapidly shrinking freedoms of religion, speech, press, conscience and association.

Indeed, we currently face a pernicious sexual revolution that is solely conditioned by an unstable set of hazardous sexual cravings of a minority interest. The magnitude and scale of this challenge is unsurpassed in human history. Reason enough, it might be suggested, to look forebodingly to the future with palpable trepidation. But before we do that, we need to look at the past to understand, how it is, that we have arrived at the current position. We first need to look at the consequences of neo-Marxist ideology.

the idea that queers are 'infiltrating' society....the idea that queers are marxists trying to undermine society.... is certainly promoting an unreasonable fear of queers.
we are not interested in 'infiltrating', nor are we an organized movement trying to undermine society...these claims are certainly homophobic.
organizing the worlds queers would be like herding cats. although we are homosexual,. we are not homogeneous.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

How far do you think and feel society has come as regards to accepting homosexuality in the last twenty years?

What do you hold up as evidence of progress?

When homosexuals were first invented in the 1960's, they were treated poorly. The Stonehenge riots in New York City are evidence for this.

 

[SnakeTongue]

http://gayconspiracy.info/index.html

By infiltrating our religious, civic and state institutions, the gay lobby has created a universal super hoax. Using stealth and deception they claim that homosexuality is a normal healthy alternative life-style. In society's rush not to offend homosexual behaviour, most well-meaning people fail to recognize that every advance for the homosexual agenda comes at the expense of rapidly shrinking freedoms of religion, speech, press, conscience and association.

Indeed, we currently face a pernicious sexual revolution that is solely conditioned by an unstable set of hazardous sexual cravings of a minority interest. The magnitude and scale of this challenge is unsurpassed in human history. Reason enough, it might be suggested, to look forebodingly to the future with palpable trepidation. But before we do that, we need to look at the past to understand, how it is, that we have arrived at the current position. We first need to look at the consequences of neo-Marxist ideology.


the idea that queers are 'infiltrating' society....

In no moment in the quote you made I read the word "queer". The author is referring to "gay lobby", which indeed exist in the form of different homosexual organizations.

the idea that queers are marxists trying to undermine society....

The author did not made such statement. The author said that "we first need to look at the consequences of neo-Marxist ideology" to understand why "we have arrived at the current position", such as why "homosexual agenda comes at the expense of rapidly shrinking freedoms of religion, speech, press, conscience and association".

is certainly promoting an unreasonable fear of queers.

Criticize a perceived group of people with a defined sexual orientation do not mean promote unreasonable fear against individuals of that group.

Following your logic, I can say that atheists which criticize the Catholic church are promoting unreasonable fear of priests and catholics.

we are not interested in 'infiltrating', nor are we an organized movement trying to undermine society...these claims are certainly homophobic.

So who is behind of political activism demanding "gay marriage"? "Gay adoption"? "Gay equal rights"?

Who organize such things as "Gay parades"? "Gay tourism"? "Gay dating services"?

organizing the worlds queers would be like herding cats. although we are homosexual,. we are not homogeneous.

Not all cats are homosexuals, as not all homosexuals are heterogeneous.

 

[Pardalis]

the idea that queers are 'infiltrating' society....the idea that queers are marxists trying to undermine society.... is certainly promoting an unreasonable fear of queers.

You just substitute "gays" with Jews" and you've got the same old paranoid and hateful conspiracy theories.

 

[Pardalis]

such as why "homosexual agenda comes at the expense of rapidly shrinking freedoms of religion, speech, press, conscience and association".

There is no such thing as a "rapidly shrinking freedom of religion and speech and press and association", not in the US, not in Canada, and not anywhere in the West.

Go to Iran or Russia if you want to complain.

Freedom of religion and speech have never been more and well assured.

Stop being paranoid.

 

[SnakeTongue]

There is no such thing as a "rapidly shrinking freedom of religion and speech and press and association", not in the US, not in Canada, and not anywhere in the West.

Go to Iran or Russia if you want to complain.

Freedom of religion and speech have never been more and well assured.

Stop being paranoid.

What's up Pardalis?

Address for complaints:

mail@gayconspiracy.info

 

[Thunder]

When homosexuals were first invented in the 1960's

 

[keale]

As for this whole issue I will say this to those who oppose basic equality for gays.

Give it up Its over guys. That ship has sailed and in a generation those who oppose gay rights will be seen for what it is....bigotry. When I was a kid discrimination against gays was hardcore and you would never ever see it on prime time television. My kids dont see that as a problem now and neither do most other kids of this generation. So as the current group of those in power leave and are replaced with todays kids this wont even be an issue.

 

[keale]

double post

 

[cwalner]

Its Scrut. Its not supposed to make sense

 

[Dr. Keith]

As for this whole issue I will say this to those who oppose basic equality for gays.

Give it up Its over guys. That ship has sailed and in a generation those who oppose gay rights will be seen for what it is....bigotry. When I was a kid discrimination against gays was hardcore and you would never ever see it on prime time television. My kids dont see that as a problem now and neither do most other kids of this generation. So as the current group of those in power leave and are replaced with todays kids this wont even be an issue.

I think this is largely correct. My parents tried hard not pass their prejudices on to me and I am trying hard to make sure that my kids have even fewer prejudices than I do. But it takes a concerted effort and there will always be pockets of bigotry.

So, the overall trend looks positive, but we are far removed from taking care of the issue.

 

[bikerdruid]

In no moment in the quote you made I read the word "queer". The author is referring to "gay lobby", which indeed exist in the form of different homosexual organizations.



The author did not made such statement. The author said that "we first need to look at the consequences of neo-Marxist ideology" to understand why "we have arrived at the current position", such as why "homosexual agenda comes at the expense of rapidly shrinking freedoms of religion, speech, press, conscience and association".



Criticize a perceived group of people with a defined sexual orientation do not mean promote unreasonable fear against individuals of that group.

Following your logic, I can say that atheists which criticize the Catholic church are promoting unreasonable fear of priests and catholics.



So who is behind of political activism demanding "gay marriage"? "Gay adoption"? "Gay equal rights"?

Who organize such things as "Gay parades"? "Gay tourism"? "Gay dating services"?



Not all cats are homosexuals, as not all homosexuals are heterogeneous.

FAIL......
your article is bunk.
promoting fear of a group is phobic, in this case 'homophobic'.
there is no gay conspiracy.
you certainly have not made your point.
you asked me a question....i answered it.
your dancing around the issue makes it no more real.
you are a bigot. period.
a homophobic bigot at that....


btw....many of us prefer the word queer....does that make you even more homophobic?

 

[AvalonXQ]

Using the term "homophobia" to automatically describe any opposition to any single thing pro-homosexual activists do or want makes the term pretty meaningless, not to mention making rational debate impossible.

 

[cwalner]

Using the term "homophobia" to automatically describe any opposition to any single thing pro-homosexual activists do or want makes the term pretty meaningless, not to mention making rational debate impossible.

True, but the term is accurately applied to describe irrational blanket opposition to everything pro-homosexual activists do.

 

[Hawk one]

In case this has been posted before, I apologise, but here's a letter from Dan Savage's coloumn, from a couple of weeks back:

NSFW - Some coarse language

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=5135029

 

[cwalner]

In case this has been posted before, I apologise, but here's a letter from Dan Savage's coloumn, from a couple of weeks back:

NSFW - Some coarse language

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=5135029

Very nice. It hits home to me having suffered religious bigotry based bullying in my youth (do to my being Jewish, not due to my being gay).

I was only in grade school at the time (3rd or 4th grade) and a bully knocked me down, sat on my legs and repeatedly punched my chest while telling me that I would go to hell because I was Jewish.

The physical pain from the punches went away in about 20 minutes. I still (30+ years later) feel traces of the emotional pain from that incident. That is what that type of bullying does, regardless of who it is aimed at.

 

[SnakeTongue]

FAIL......
your article is bunk.
promoting fear of a group is phobic, in this case 'homophobic'.
there is no gay conspiracy.
you certainly have not made your point.
you asked me a question....i answered it.
your dancing around the issue makes it no more real.
you are a bigot. period.
a homophobic bigot at that....

Is that all you can say?



Yes, I asked you a question. You answered. I made comments. Now you cannot address the subject directly and have to resort to call me an "homophobic bigot".

 

[SnakeTongue]

Using the term "homophobia" to automatically describe any opposition to any single thing pro-homosexual activists do or want makes the term pretty meaningless, not to mention making rational debate impossible.

I agree with you.

Use of homophobia, homophobic, and homophobe has been criticized as pejorative against those with differing value positions.

* In 1993, behavioral scientists William O'Donohue and Christine Caselles concluded that the usage of the term "as it is usually used, makes an illegitimately pejorative evaluation of certain open and debatable value positions, much like the former disease construct of homosexuality" itself, arguing that the term may be used as an ad hominem argument against those who advocate values or positions of which the speaker does not approve. The social construct of masculinity is not defined by attraction to females alone but also by negative attraction to males. The implication of a fear of something unmasculine, given the term's scientific etymology, may be used illegitimately to imply that anyone with a different opinion is unmasculine.[21]
* A group of psychologists from the University of Arkansas conducted research that showed that participants responses were not fear-based but reflected a disapproval of homosexuality that was due to other factors, such as "disgust".[22]
* The National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality, an organization affiliated with the ex-gay movement, describes the term homophobia as being "often used inaccurately to describe any person who objects to homosexual behavior on either moral, psychological or medical grounds." They claim that, "Technically, however, the terms actually denotes a person who has a phobia — or irrational fear — of homosexuality. Principled disagreement, therefore, cannot be labeled 'homophobia.'"[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

 

[SnakeTongue]

True, but the term is accurately applied to describe irrational blanket opposition to everything pro-homosexual activists do.

Not in the JREF forum...

A more balanced view of homophobia comes from a surprising source. The prolific American gay-rights advocate Edwin Decker has remarked that the phrase is another one of those words or phrases used to marginalize or squelch the voice of someone that disagrees with homosexuality. He finds this quite remarkable coming from a group that, '...knows all about the horrors and the dangers and the heartbreaks of an exclusive society.'

He cogently observes, 'First of all, calling someone a homophobe because they don't agree with, say gays in the military is no different than calling someone 'unpatriotic' because they don't agree with war, or calling someone a 'racist' because they want tighter borders, or labelling me a spawn on Satan because I don't happen to believe the Mount Soledad Cross belongs on public property.'

http://gayconspiracy.info/pederasty.html

 

[SnakeTongue]

I was only in grade school at the time (3rd or 4th grade) and a bully knocked me down, sat on my legs and repeatedly punched my chest while telling me that I would go to hell because I was Jewish.

The physical pain from the punches went away in about 20 minutes. I still (30+ years later) feel traces of the emotional pain from that incident. That is what that type of bullying does, regardless of who it is aimed at.

Should I start to cry now?



I had such experiences, but I became stronger with it.