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Merged Teabagger Candidate Rich Iott is into Nazi Cosplay

caniswalensis said:
regards, Canis

P.S. Here I am in my medieval armor:
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Feckin' wicked... now we all know what a brutish, thievin', rampaging, pillaging barbarian you are, you barsteward! :)

Where do you sheath that bad boy? Or would that be on the horse (if you were mounted)?
 
fuelair said:
Soldiers who knowingly commit atrocities will not find me appreciating/respecting them. But, to make it clear, it is not an atrocity to massively fire on an enemy if the enemy is hiding behind and firing from the midst of civilians, it is not an atrocity to bomb a military facility located in the midst of civilian occupied space or a manufacturiong/power/water/ etc facility being use to produce or stor military materials. Lots of anti war people get hung up on those but the rules of war do not require our side to die for the other side's civilians and they do state no military function may be carried out/performed in civilian areas or it becomes a war target.
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Well yeah. I agree but I don't see the relevance. The example I picked was taking Jewish prisoners, beating the **** out of them, then shooting them so they fall in a mass grave. A handful of exceptions aside, I doubt any here would see that as fighting for a better tomorrow.
 
Normal Dude said:
When I was in the 82nd, a few guys in my platoon played the S.S. in reenactments (they also played the 82nd sometimes of course). They did it because they love military history and have a deep interest in the German military, even the SS, of the time. These guys are as far from Nazis as you could imagine. Your stance on this is purely emotional and simplistic.
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These guys aren't doing that. They're not focused on reenacting battles. AFAIK, they aren't the S.S. sometimes and the Red Army the other times. They're focused on celebrating a specific S.S. unit inside and outside battle. There's a line related to being interested in WWII history that divides even fanatical reenactors from the "hurray for the Nazi soldiers" crowd, and in my opinion these folks are over that line.
 
quixotecoyote said:
These guys aren't doing that. They're not focused on reenacting battles. AFAIK, they aren't the S.S. sometimes and the Red Army the other times. They're focused on celebrating a specific S.S. unit inside and outside battle. There's a line related to being interested in WWII history that divides even fanatical reenactors from the "hurray for the Nazi soldiers" crowd, and in my opinion these folks are over that line.
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Playing two sides would be expensive and even more of a time sink as you would have to have a highly detailed knowlage of more than one army.
 
I'm not willing top accuse the guy of being a Nazi for playing dress-up. But I don't see how this could be anything but an embarrassment when running for office for either him or his supporters.
 
quixotecoyote said:
These guys aren't doing that. They're not focused on reenacting battles. AFAIK, they aren't the S.S. sometimes and the Red Army the other times. They're focused on celebrating a specific S.S. unit inside and outside battle. There's a line related to being interested in WWII history that divides even fanatical reenactors from the "hurray for the Nazi soldiers" crowd, and in my opinion these folks are over that line.
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No offense, QC, but this post betrays a rather large lack of understanding about how these living history groups function.

I suggest that you look at some of WWII reenactor unit websites. It might be enlightening for you. It is the norm for these groups to pick a specific unit to recreate. That way, they can focus on keeping a consistent and accurate portrayal of a WWII combat unit. Can you imagine what it would look like if you had twenty members of a group show up for a battle and they each chose their own uniform ot wear? you would have a mish-mash of unifom types, insignia & ranks from all different periods & theatres. It would not be an accurate or effective portrayal of WWII combat. When a group decides to portray a specific unit, they are able to control such things. That is what keeps everyone from showing up dressed as a general. :)

This group is quite typical and these groups primarily exist to recreate battles & give educational public demonstations. Individuals within a group have their own reasons for joining that may include an appreciation for period military tactics, uniforms & equipment and culteral bits like period music, cooking and soldier's pastimes.

Here is a link to the governing association that their group is a member of. they also frown on actual nazis. Pertinent reading is in their by-laws & the "about us" section.

Regards, Canis
 
Hey, if anyone is interested the least bit in WWII, you may find the Wiking units Photo section to be pretty interesting. They have some really nice snaps of themselves at WWII events & demos.

...and if anyone is still entertaining the notion that these guys only do this because they worship nazis or something, you will also see that at least one of their members doubles up, and portrays a british paratrooper. There is another member seen decked out in one photo in full russian gear.

But mainly, look at them because they are great photos, full of some really well put together uniforms & gear.

http://www.wiking.org/
 
caniswalensis said:
No offense, QC, but this post betrays a rather large lack of understanding about how these living history groups function.

I suggest that you look at some of WWII reenactor unit websites. It might be enlightening for you. It is the norm for these groups to pick a specific unit to recreate. That way, they can focus on keeping a consistent and accurate portrayal of a WWII combat unit. Can you imagine what it would look like if you had twenty members of a group show up for a battle and they each chose their own uniform ot wear? you would have a mish-mash of unifom types, insignia & ranks from all different periods & theatres. It would not be an accurate or effective portrayal of WWII combat. When a group decides to portray a specific unit, they are able to control such things. That is what keeps everyone from showing up dressed as a general. :)

This group is quite typical and these groups primarily exist to recreate battles & give educational public demonstations. Individuals within a group have their own reasons for joining that may include an appreciation for period military tactics, uniforms & equipment and culteral bits like period music, cooking and soldier's pastimes.

Here is a link to the governing association that their group is a member of. they also frown on actual nazis. Pertinent reading is in their by-laws & the "about us" section.

Regards, Canis
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I'm quite aware of how living history groups operate. My post was in response to someone who was comparing this to reenactors who recreate battles with members playing either side as appropriate.
 
quixotecoyote said:
These guys aren't doing that. They're not focused on reenacting battles. AFAIK, they aren't the S.S. sometimes and the Red Army the other times. They're focused on celebrating a specific S.S. unit inside and outside battle. There's a line related to being interested in WWII history that divides even fanatical reenactors from the "hurray for the Nazi soldiers" crowd, and in my opinion these folks are over that line.
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quixotecoyote said:
I'm quite aware of how living history groups operate. My post was in response to someone who was comparing this to reenactors who recreate battles with members playing either side as appropriate.
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This is my point. While many individuals own multiple uniforms(which we see evidence of in this group) and switch sides as needed to fill out numbers, there are virtually no groups this size that portray two different opposing sides as a unit. These guys are your average run of the mill recreator group. they are not nazis and are not doing anything the least bit odd by reenactor standars.

But to break down what I was commenting on, you said "They're not focused on reenacting battles." Even a basic knowledge of reenactor groups contradicts that, and a quick look through their website shows that your statment is wrong. Like most recreator groups, they are primarily about going to WWII battles and public demos.
The group activities and efforts in betwwen those events are basically just preperation for the events themselves.

You said "They're focused on celebrating a specific S.S. unit inside and outside battle." which is a misrepresentation of what they are doing. Recreation is not ipso facto celibration. You also said that they have crossed a line from being reenactors to nazi sympathizers, which is also demonstrably wrong. Aside from that, some of their members do sometimes portray soldiers of other nations. That is the norm for these groups. They pick a unit, and focus on that unit, but many people will have opposing uniforms and switch sides as needed at a given event. I do not think I have ever seen a reenactor group that simultaniously portrayed two units at once. It would be too impractical in terms of resources.

If you were, as you say "quite aware of how living history groups operate." You would realize these things.

Please do not take my post as hostile towards yourself. I do not mean to flame you, and it is absolutely no shame to not understand the fine points of the living history hobby. If I did not have the experience that I do and an intamate association with many recreators in the eastern U.S. I would probably be agreeing with you.

regards, Canis

P.S. Some of these groups maintain a norrow laser focus on their portrayals. Not only do they stick to one unit, they tweak their gear & uniforms to appearas they would during a specific theater, year of the war, or even one particular operation. It is done for the sake of achieving a high degree of accuracy, not for political or idealogical reasons. That's how renactors roll. :)
 
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caniswalensis said:
This is my point. While many individuals own multiple uniforms(which we see evidence of in this group) and switch sides as needed to fill out numbers, there are virtually no groups this size that portray two different opposing sides as a unit. These guys are your average run of the mill recreator group. they are not nazis and are not doing anything the least bit odd by reenactor standars.

But to break down what I was commenting on, you said "They're not focused on reenacting battles." Even a basic knowledge of reenactor groups contradicts that, and a quick look through their website shows that your statment is wrong. Like most recreator groups, they are primarily about going to WWII battles and public demos.
The group activities and efforts in betwwen those events are basically just preperation for the events themselves.
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If you look at my posts in the context of what they are responding to, they make the points I was trying to make. If you take them apart and attribute connotations and meanings which I did not use, they don't. I don't see a need to engage this further.
You said "They're focused on celebrating a specific S.S. unit inside and outside battle." which is a misrepresentation of what they are doing. Recreation is not ipso facto celibration.
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Please see their website. They are promoting a positive view of the unit and want to honor it through their recreations. That's a fair description of celebrating.

You also said that they have crossed a line from being reenactors to nazi sympathizers, which is also demonstrably wrong.
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So demonstrate. "Yeah, the NAZIs were evil war criminals, but THESE guys are awesome (despite being nazi war criminals, which we gloss over)" doesn't cut it.

Aside from that, some of their members do sometimes portray soldiers of other nations. That is the norm for these groups. They pick a unit, and focus on that unit, but many people will have opposing uniforms and switch sides as needed at a given event. I do not think I have ever seen a reenactor group that simultaniously portrayed two units at once. It would be too impractical in terms of resources.

If you were, as you say "quite aware of how living history groups operate." You would realize these things
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I am aware of those things. I am not aware of what you think the relevance is. The picked a Nazi unit to emulate, and go beyond a historically accurate approach to a promotional approach. Another poster mentioned that he didn't see the problem since groups can get together to recreate battles and you need people for both sides. I pointed out that this wasn't about being the bad guys for purposes of historical accuracy, but rampant Nazi fanboyism. You seem to think that pointing out living history groups often model a specific unit or that people who model those specific units can occasionally switch out to fill a gap in another group refutes something I said, but I can't seem to pin down what.
 
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Pardalis said:
I once spent a summer in my adolescence playing Star Wars Tie Fighter, a video game from the Empire's perspective. I guess that makes me evil. :rolleyes:
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Yesterday, I was dressed up As Darth Vader himself, along with a couple of Stormtroopers, and an Imperial Officer.

I obviously want to kill people for pleasure, and blow up planets to make a point.
 
Shalamar said:
Yesterday, I was dressed up As Darth Vader himself, along with a couple of Stormtroopers, and an Imperial Officer.

I obviously want to kill people for pleasure, and blow up planets to make a point.
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Yesterday, I pretended to be Jeffrey Dahmer and then created a website detailing the valor and idealism of serial killers while conspicuously not mentioning their horrific crimes.

I obviously am a perfectly normal person who just happens to be a true crime buff.
 
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