Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[act1roson]

You might try searching the original thread "Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel" here at JREF. That thread has 378 pages and 15,000 posts. Below is the link to the last page.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161229&page=378

el buscador - I searched almost every mention of Steve Moore in this newest thread, and his main points have basically been dismissed, leading me to believe this forum is more interested in arguing minutiae instead of the guilt or innocence of Amanda Knox based on murder room, crime scene evidence.

I'm beginning to believe that has been the problem with this case from the start. People are more interested in her sex life and swiveling hips than solving the murder.

Opla.

 

[el buscador]

Oh, by the way, act1roson, welcome to JREF!

 

[el buscador]

el buscador - I searched almost every mention of Steve Moore in this newest thread, and his main points have basically been dismissed, leading me to believe this forum is more interested in arguing minutiae instead of the guilt or innocence of Amanda Knox based on murder room, crime scene evidence.

I'm beginning to believe that has been the problem with this case from the start. People are more interested in her sex life and swiveling hips than solving the murder.

Opla.

Did you search the words "Amanda's sex life" and come up with many posts? I'm curious to how many times it's been mentioned, sort of, and in what context. If you go back to the beginning of this thread and the original thread and read all the posts I think you will be well able to find all the information about the "murder room" you seem to be looking for.

Or, again, specific questions would be nice.

 

[Malkmus]

I cannot say what the police did or did not do to search out various witnesses. I guess can they ask for information but if people do not come forward how can they compel someone to?

Christiana, I recently read this article from Candace Dempsey which was rather eye-opening to me regarding the prosecution witnesses that couldn't hold their own in court. I'm not saying this is representative of all the witnesses, but it certainly didn't make me think any better of them.

No word on whether Kokomani was offered a 100,000 euro bribe to flee to Albania after seeing the trio (an earlier claim), but the court is now interested in whether he was offered a sum of money to tell his tale to the press .

Abuker 'Momi' Barrow... was supposed to describe Guede as a botherer of girls, a violent drug user and thief.
But Guede's defense team once again rode to the rescue. Biscotti brandished a videotape recorded Sept. 17 by Studio Aperto of the Mediaset Group. He said the tape showed the witness negotiating with a reporter for cash to tell his tale. Reportedly (and rather confusedly), he'd also received 2,000 euro from La Nazione.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/archives/149984.asp

 

[RWVBWL]

But why nonsense? They found a book in Amanda's room and some detective presented her the finding as evidence. This makes sense. Obviously they had a video of Sollecito's house, but doesn't mean that the video would be checked by the police to search for exculpatory evidence.

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Greetings Machiavelli,
With all due respect sir, you seem to be talking about the same investigators who could not even correctly count the number of rings on Raffaele Sollecito's shoes that they took from him on the night of Nov. 5th/6th, (which then helped to keep him incarcerated) to then compare it to the shoeprints left at the murder scene!
Shoddy workmanship, in my opinion!
Would you want that guy or gal remodeling your house or repairing your car?
Lucky that guy/gal didn't work for me, he/she woulda been FIRED!

And then, these same bumbling, idiot investigators, (yep, I did just write that!),
found a Harry Potter book and said that helped prove that Amanda Knox was lying, while the 1 she spoke of was where she said it was, and so, this detective you write of, whom I feel should know all of this information already, by simply keeping notes, could not or did not put 2 + 2 together.
Machiavelli, can you say FIRED?!?

Oh wait, they were not FIRED!
They were given medals for a job well done!
What a joke!

If this was my brother, sister or family member going thru the same treatment
from such a fine police orginization as we have seen here, I would be furious!
What the heck!, to say it nicely...

RWVBWL

PS-And no pilot padron, I am NOT being paid to blog...

 

[RWVBWL]

Hi loverofzion,
Did you ever find out if that was a semen stain left on that pillow or not?
If so, please do cite...
Thanks,
RWVBWL in rainy Los Angeles

 

[pilot padron]

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Greetings Machiavelli,
With all due respect sir, you seem to be talking about the same investigators who could not even correctly count the number of rings on Raffaele Sollecito's shoes t
Shoddy workmanship, in my opinion!
Would you want that guy or gal remodeling your house or reparing your car?
Lucky that guy/gal didn't work for me, he/she woulda been FIRED!

And then, these same bumbling, idiot investigators, (yep, I did just write that!),

Oh wait, they were not FIRED!
They were given medals for a job well done!
What a joke!

If this was my brother, sister or family member going thru the same treatment
from such a fine police orginization as we have seen here, I would be furious! What the heck!

RWVBWL

PS-And no, I am NOT being paid to blog...

HI Rw

May I just pop up long enough to state that IMHO, I firmly believe that you are not "paid to blog"

No documentary evidence required by me for that statement.

If you were 'being paid' you would be aware that the current protocol is to cease and desist from the counterproductive Italian bashing.

This plea was issued by someone as close to the case as the convicted murderess herself and repeated more than once by nearly every Attorney protecting the Interest of all three convicted murderers.

Agreed you are not being paid because you are obviously out of the loop.

Excuse the interruption please RW and Michavelli

 

[RWVBWL]

Pilot Padron,
FYI, it's RWVBWL, not RW!

And thanks for the tips...
I have read recently that Miss Knox appears to be a bit down,
and so I was thinking, (as I checked out the surf on this gloomy, rainy day in L.A.)
of sending her a photographic card with an image I shot myself saying hi and letting her know that complete strangers, such as myself,
do wish her well and BELIEVE 100% in her innocence...
Take it easy, pilot padron, on yourself, and as you go out and face the world...
RWVBWL

 

[Mary_H]

Just because they say her rights are respected doesn't mean the judge made the correct decisions. If the judge had made correct decision during the trial, they wouldn't be appealing the judges decisions on numerous points.

When you say you recieved a fair trial you are saying you dont believe the jurys or judges decisions where affected by anything outside the courtroom. If they where to say I believe we got shafted and the judge, jury and prosecutor are corrupt, then they would all get charged with slander.

I think some posters have already provided documentation to the effect that Amanda did not say her rights were respected or the trial was fair.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

What I would like to know, to be clear, is where this forum discussed this issue originally, the murder room crime scene, and how there is no fingerprints, footprints, hair samples, or DNA of Amanda Knox? And, why wouldn't a forum such as this discuss this for pages, unless it has more interest in arguing the details of Amanda Knox's non-related private life on Nov 1-2 instead of her guilt or innocence?

act1roson,

The prosecution alleges that the three defendants restrained and strangled Ms. Kercher. Yet no one has reported finding Knox's or Sollecito's DNA on her neck or arms. Indeed, the only DNA from either one is alleged to be Sollecito's on the highly disputed bra clasp. Guede's DNA was found on her sleeve. I stop well short of saying that this is proof of innocence for AK and RS, but I do believe it requires some reasonable explanation. In other words, I am in broad agreement with Mr. Moore.

 

[pilot padron]

I think some posters have already provided documentation to the effect that Amanda did not say her rights were respected or the trial was fair.

Hi Mary and a belated good morning to those in later time zones

Mary, I hope you caught the post I made early in *my* morning, referencing the last thing I read from you last night

Thank You again for so effectively in such a courteous concise way stimulating that period of self examination.

 

[Mary_H]

Hi Dan

Ditto to yourself for most of the reasons cited above for my admiration (but usually not full agreement) with halides

1) The purpose of the tool you eloquently reiterate is never questioned by me

2) Equal application of the well intended tool is the question
(Please see my examples above of unequal application)

3) Those of us with any sense of integrity do not consider an equally applied call for a cite equivalent to being called a liar as you insinuate.

4) Those of us having read very widely on the case do not have bibliographically enhanced mental processes to be able to immediately quote page and paragraph as you also insinuate f each word we share here

5) In an ideal world, all of us would post absolutely nothing here that we were not 100% certain of quick. easy, effort expense justified availability of quotes

May I humbly suggest to a senior member such as yourself that in this perfect world, this thread would experience a dramatic decline in declarations with a certainly not 'cost efficient' increase in quality

pilot, I have to run out and take care of a small child this afternoon, but I wanted to let you know I will respond to some of your posts later. I have time for a quick response to your comment #4.

"Page and paragraph" of "each word" is not necessary; I detect you are exaggerating for effect, no? However, there are people here who do have bibliographically enhanced mental processes, while the rest of us have reviewed certain material enough times to remember where to find it, or we bookmark it on our computer for easy access. I can't imagine all the documentation RoseMontague keeps track of; she is devoted to it.

Is it any wonder we might voice our objections to the claims of certain posters who do not use citations, when we know for a fact that what they are claiming is inaccurate? It's not to harass, it's to set the record straight, and as, Dan pointed out, to stop the spread of rumors. It doesn't have to be an ideal world for this to happen; it can happen in this world.

Can you clarify your last sentence for me? Thanks, and more later.

 

[Mary_H]

Hi Mary and a belated good morning to those in later time zones

Mary, I hope you caught the post I made early in *my* morning, referencing the last thing I read from you last night

Thank You again for so effectively in such a courteous concise way stimulating that period of self examination.

You're welcome. What's the thumbs down for?

 

[pilot padron]

You're welcome. What's the thumbs down for?

Thumbs were meant to be thumbs up from a, 'all thumbs' single plinker newbie
Sorry

The post I reference, and will answer your question I quickly found by clicking my name, then view more posts. No number, but made @ 10:13 today.

When you get back if unable, I will get number for you

Thanks again

 

[RoseMontague]

el buscador - I searched almost every mention of Steve Moore in this newest thread, and his main points have basically been dismissed, leading me to believe this forum is more interested in arguing minutiae instead of the guilt or innocence of Amanda Knox based on murder room, crime scene evidence.

I'm beginning to believe that has been the problem with this case from the start. People are more interested in her sex life and swiveling hips than solving the murder.

Opla.

I personally feel Steve Moore is speaking to people not very familiar with the case as his target audience trying to drum up support for Amanda among those who have heard she was found guilty but are not aware of some of the problematic issues involved.

If you are interested in more of the details read the Massei report followed by the 2 appeals so you can hear from both sides of the debate. Candace's book has more details than Barbie's but either will do as an overview. I read the entire discussion here after I joined and would not suggest that as a fun read, even longer now.

ETA,
I found reading the posts at PerugiaShock enjoyable, if you want to start from the beginning that is a good one to go with.

 

[Katody Matrass]

There is no way past the DNA evidence. That proves them guilty as well as Rudy. It really doesn't matter what time of death you assert as long as it's after 9:15.

Hello Trigood,
do you think the DNA evidence is enough to be certain about their guilt, without any preconditions?

 

[loverofzion]

Hi loverofzion,
Did you ever find out if that was a semen stain left on that pillow or not?
If so, please do cite...
Thanks,
RWVBWL in rainy Los Angeles

Never really checked.
Not sure how if it would have been, howit would help the case of Amanda though...

 

[RoseMontague]

I happen to enjoy pilot's posts. Seems to be a reasonable person that has an opinion different from mine on guilt or innocence but we find ourselves in agreement on other points not so broad. I enjoy the style, but I also enjoy reading Catnip's posts and others have told me I must be a little strange in that regard.

 

[colonelhall]

"Would you have it that the increasing pro-Amanda media coverage constitutes a suppression of the truth? Do you imagine that David Marriott has the power to persuade journalists and broadcasters of lies?"

Yes!

The fact is that this woman has been unanimously convicted of murder in a trial that lasted some months. There has been a 400 plus page sentencing report published.

In spite of this, most television shows appear to approach each new story from the point of view that she has been unjustly convicted and is deserving of our sympathy.

Whilst I do not deny people's right to challenge the verdict, I do believe that television should not allow them unfettered access to the airwaves. If they are to make a challenge, then they should be examined rigourously. This is just not happening.

As a viewer, why should I accept the murderer's mother's view of events? Why should I accept the view of an armchair sleuth like Steve Moore? Just because he says that "some people believe that the police tampered with the evidence" doesn't make it true.It is just his opinion and he is someone with absolutely no connection to the case.

If a television show invited one of the moderators of TJFMK to say that they were convinced of Knox's guilt and that many people agree with them, MaryH would be outraged. I, for one, would have some sympathy for her, unless someone like Steve Moore was invited to challenge her.

Marriott is not paid for nothing!

 

[RoseMontague]

The 400 page sentencing report is probably the best thing that has come out to support Raffaele's innocence since the trial. I would place the value of that as even greater than having a PR team on Amanda's side. The report was for me, what finally and fully convinced me that Raffaele was innocent.