Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[RoseMontague]

So the clothes were already on the floor when they were dusted with chalk, probably from the rock.

The rock landed in the bag so I doubt that is from the rock. My theory is paint dust, either from the old white painted bricks or the white painted shutter when it was struck with the rock.

Even the high resolution pick I posted of lawyer dude shows white dust on the bottom of his left shoe (probably from the bricks getting to the first window).

 

[Katody Matrass]

Frank's post of that date began that Giulia was with all of Raffaele's defense team and the police. It looks like they were allowed to enter the premises which makes me agree with Frank-he should have tried to open the window and get in and we don't know how he came to be where he was photographed.

I agree, they should get someone in sport shoes and not afraid to dusty his clothes to hop into that window a few times. But it's not sure if the police would have allowed them to unseal that window.

The middle of the grating the lawyer stands on is at eye's level - ready to use as a ladder. See photo

 

[RoseMontague]

I agree, they should get someone in sport shoes and not afraid to dusty his clothes to hop into that window a few times. But it's not sure if the police would have allowed them to unseal that window.

The middle of the grating the lawyer stands on is at eye's level - ready to use as a ladder. See photo

Nice pic. It also shows all the leaves already on the ground (a good hiding place for small pieces of glass) and also shows the state of the rapidly fading white paint on the bricks.

 

[RoseMontague]

Looking forward to being here, though by the amount of posts on a given day here, will have to spend much more time on the computer than I normally do!

I neglected to welcome you. Looks like you are already in the middle of the debate. Thanks for you opinions.

 

[quadraginta]

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Does anybody really think it is terribly difficult to enter the window once the sill has been reached?

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Aside from the stadium full of straw men which have been created to distort this particular topic, I doubt it.

Now if you had asked,

"Does anybody really think it is terribly difficult to enter the window without leaving any evidence of having done so?"

then the response might be somewhat different.

 

[Justinian2]

I think I speak on behalf of everyone when I say that the Kerchers have gotten the worst of it by losing their daughter. However, two wrongs don't make a right, and what has happened to the Knox family is also a living nightmare.

I'm just flagging the word everyone 'here'. I am one of the people in the group called 'everyone'. You may coincidentally speak for all or most, but do not make the pretense of knowing. You do not speak for me, for example. Also note that I was alluding to life without justice (26 years in jail).

The 'Craigslist Killer' in Boston committed suicide rather than face trial. I think suicide was preferable to certain life in prison, especially compared to his future life (before the murder of his masseusse) as a medical doctor.

I am not going to obsess about my feelings on this; this is my rebuttal and last reply on this subject.

 

[quadraginta]

Nice pic. It also shows all the leaves already on the ground (a good hiding place for small pieces of glass) and also shows the state of the rapidly fading white paint on the bricks.

Of course!

No one would have ever thought to look through the leaves. It's a shame none of us were there to help them with the complicated stuff like that.

 

[colonelhall]

"Now that you mention it, the "staged break-in" theory was discussed recently and quite obliterated, TBH. It seems no one tries to defend it anymore."

Yet here you all are continuing the debate.

"I'm just flagging the word everyone 'here'. I am one of the people in the group called 'everyone'. You may coincidentally speak for all or most, but do not make the pretense of knowing. You do not speak for me,"

Indeed no. There are some who are completely beyond the understanding of any reasonable person. How very sad!

 

[Chris_Halkides]

the knife DNA, briefly

halides1 I checked out one of your references and it refers to Amand's DNA on the blade. I can see your point.
What puzzles me, is how did Meredith's traces get on to the knife? When coupled with Sollecito's story about cutting her accidently, one has to surmise that he is as guilty as sin. If so, then Amanda must share this guilt.
I am sure that this has been discussed endlessly, during my absence, but I am sure that you can understand the majority of reasonably minded people thinking that the mos obvious conclusion is likely to be correct.

Colonelhall,

When one works with tiny amounts of DNA (let us say less than about 100 picograms), it is called low copy number (LCN) profiling. Ordinarily LCN profiling is done in ulatraclean environments with extra precautions to minimize DNA contamination. The regular forensic lab had many items of evidence with Meredith’s DNA (see Charlie’s helpful pdf file). I think that the knife got contaminated in the lab. However, the second police officer to have possession of the knife had just come from the girl’s flat, so it might have happened then. The other factor that argues (screams, IMHO) that contamination has happened is the lack of blood on the knife. Unless one believes in some sort of differential cleaning with respect to the knife, where blood cells are more easily removed than nonblood cells, the DNA should drop below the limit of detection before blood does.

My second problem with the knife is that, being LCN DNA, it should have been tested at least twice, inasmuch as this is standard practice. My third problem with the knife is that almost all of the peaks are less intense than the standard threshold used by most labs. I have other problems as well.

Raffaele had no reason to disbelieve the DNA result, so he conjured up an answer to the question of why the profile was there, which he may or may not believe. I may come back to this point later, time permitting, but I don't find his words to be very significant, one way or another.

 

[RoseMontague]

It's been a long while since I was here last. Does anybody know what happened to regular posters such as Fiona and Fulcanelli?

I don't know if this is of any help but in answer to the question

"not least the hilted bit about his "rich foster family"?"

I am sure that I read details about the foster family in "Darkness Descending" Were the writers wrong about this?

Yes, I see it has been awhile since you posted. Welcome as well, colonelhall. Fiona is still active here but not on this topic, and Fulcanelli was here just a couple of days ago, I hope he will return possibly even tomorrow.

 

[RoseMontague]

Of course!

No one would have ever thought to look through the leaves. It's a shame none of us were there to help them with the complicated stuff like that.

Perhaps next time I could show them how to change gloves and you can show them how to look in leaves. Who showed them how to count the rings on a shoe-print (wasn't me)?

 

[Dan O.]

The rock was chalky? Where did they get the rock? They get it from downstairs, upstairs, driveway. I've have always wondered if they found the spot the rock was from.

There was another rock of about the same size used to hold the lid down on a storage bin next to the shed. One of the officers testified that this type of rock was common in the local environment.

What I noticed about the rock was that there was a soil line but it was quite faint indicating that this rock had been removed from the ground some time ago. I have my theory about where the rock was but at this time it probably cannot be proven and doesn't lend weight to any scenario.

It's unfortunate that nobody thought to record the grounds around the cottage with the Spheron camera.

 

[Katody Matrass]

Aside from the stadium full of straw men which have been created to distort this particular topic, I doubt it.

Now if you had asked,

"Does anybody really think it is terribly difficult to enter the window without leaving any evidence of having done so?"

then the response might be somewhat different.

Apart from broken window, damaged blind, glass spray indicating a rock thrown from the outside, traces of dust, a snagged cable indicating that someone tripped on it when jumping in, possible missing nails in the wall (not investigated), possible scuff marks (not investigated), possible glass in the foliage below (not investigated) what other traces must have been left by an intruder according to you?

 

[colonelhall]

"Raffaele had no reason to disbelieve the DNA result, so he conjured up an answer to the question of why the profile was there, "

Hmm! So he was lying, then.

 

[piktor]

Of course!

No one would have ever thought to look through the leaves. It's a shame none of us were there to help them with the complicated stuff like that.

This is the thread where
the prosecution was wrong,
the police was wrong,
the judges were wrong
and
the defense was wrong.

What was right:
the other guy did it. ​

 

[Katody Matrass]

Perhaps next time I could show them how to change gloves and you can show them how to look in leaves. Who showed them how to count the rings on a shoe-print (wasn't me)?

Yep, we could tell them to not forget about control samples, and to not wipe the whole sink with a single swab, too.

 

[Chris C]

So the clothes were already on the floor when they were dusted with chalk, probably from the rock.

I commented once on this. But i noticed something else about the comment also. The clothes would have had to already been on the floor which goes against prosecutions staged crime scene theory.

 

[RoseMontague]

This is the thread where
the prosecution was wrong,
the police was wrong,
the judges were wrong
and
the defense was wrong.

What was right:
the black guy did it. ​

Are you saying that some here believe Rudy did it because he was black?

 

[RoseMontague]

Yep, we could tell them to not forget about control samples, and to not wipe the whole sink with a single swab, too.

LOL,
And the science of LCN DNA testing is more than cranking up the knob to full blast.

 

[Chris C]

Aside from the stadium full of straw men which have been created to distort this particular topic, I doubt it.

Now if you had asked,

"Does anybody really think it is terribly difficult to enter the window without leaving any evidence of having done so?"

then the response might be somewhat different.

What evidence was gathered to prove a break in didn't happen? 2 dna swabs on the window? Theories by the judge that claims not only was the break in staged, but they staged the break in to look exactly like it wasn't staged.