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GreNME said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population

1,571,198,000

And growing.
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This approach can go interesting places. Here's another list in Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations#Four_largest_religions

If it can be demonstrated that the proportion of terrorist acts committed in the name of Islam is less than the proportion of adherents to Islam in the population, what would that prove to those arguing that Islam is a uniquely violent religion? Not much, I think, because they already know what they want to believe.

I think that much is missed by attempts to frame these issues in a religious context. Religion is not the man behind the curtain.

Michael Sheehan recently had this to say.

Especially since the end of the Cold War, a number of terrorist groups have portrayed their causes in religious and cultural terms. This is often a transparent tactic designed to conceal political goals, generate popular support and silence opposition. It feeds upon the resentment and suffering of some people who feel forgotten or marginalized in today's rapidly globalizing society.
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I don't think he needed to add the introductory qualifier about "since the end of the Cold War", or limited the tactic to "terrorists". This has been true throughout history. At any given time, religion can be a useful tool to motivate some people. It's still just a tool, and ought to be viewed with the same sort of logic (and caution) which gun rights supporters use to defend firearms ownership ... it depends on how it is used, and which faith is employed is not any more relevant than which manufacturer made the firearm. Probably less relevant.
 
Good point. Despots are using islam as some use christianity to further their ambitions. For example slavery was defended because of an obscure reference to slaves/servants in the O/T.
Violence is likewise used by radical islam in the name of allah. Just before a suicide bomber detonates a bomb they cry out: god is great. Who taught these gullible people if not their imams?
 
amb said:
Who taught these gullible people if not their imams?
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Who indeed? Of course, the next question, Amb,is how many of these imams are teaching people to be suicide bombers. Have at it, Amb - give us your best estimate for the number of imams teaching suicide bombing.
 
quadraginta said:
This approach can go interesting places. Here's another list in Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations#Four_largest_religions

If it can be demonstrated that the proportion of terrorist acts committed in the name of Islam is less than the proportion of adherents to Islam in the population, what would that prove to those arguing that Islam is a uniquely violent religion? Not much, I think, because they already know what they want to believe.
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Actually, if we took proportions of terrorists acts committed in the name of a given religion, the Christians who are so dead-set on naming Islam as the religion of terror are going to find themselves with some disappointing numbers.

quadraginta said:
I think that much is missed by attempts to frame these issues in a religious context. Religion is not the man behind the curtain.

Michael Sheehan recently had this to say.



I don't think he needed to add the introductory qualifier about "since the end of the Cold War", or limited the tactic to "terrorists". This has been true throughout history. At any given time, religion can be a useful tool to motivate some people. It's still just a tool, and ought to be viewed with the same sort of logic (and caution) which gun rights supporters use to defend firearms ownership ... it depends on how it is used, and which faith is employed is not any more relevant than which manufacturer made the firearm. Probably less relevant.
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Actually, there's a good reason to name specifically since the end of the Cold War, because in reality during the Cold War so many things fell under the blanket of influence of the Cold War that it skewed the spectrum. But that's a bit of a different discussion.
 
Ladewig said:
Who indeed? Of course, the next question, Amb,is how many of these imams are teaching people to be suicide bombers. Have at it, Amb - give us your best estimate for the number of imams teaching suicide bombing.
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I don't make a habit of listening in to sermons in mosques. For a start, they wouldn't let me in. :)
I've no idea. You tell me.
 
amb said:
I don't make a habit of listening in to sermons in mosques. For a start, they wouldn't let me in. :)
I've no idea. You tell me.
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So your whole "all muslims are evil" rambling was born out of total ignorance. Thanks for admitting that.
 
Chaos said:
So your whole "all muslims are evil" rambling was born out of total ignorance. Thanks for admitting that.
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that's is the crux of the matter.
cbc news stated the other day that 75% of americans do not personally know a muslim.
the rants of "all muslims are evil" are based on heresay.
hateful prejudice is always a product of ignorance.
 
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Prejudice against a religion is ignorance? Seems like I'm defending myself against apologists for islam here!!
 
Don't agree! Religion has no logic or any facts. All believers should be shown how illogical their beliefs realy are.
 
amb said:
Prejudice against a religion is ignorance? Seems like I'm defending myself against apologists for islam here!!
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no, you are displaying your ignorance, especially when you use words like "apologists for Islam"

Freedom of speech, exposing bigots since 399 BC
 
amb said:
Don't agree! Religion has no logic or any facts. All believers should be shown how illogical their beliefs realy are.
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that is fine, but you demonstrated your lack of facts.
 
amb said:
Prejudice against a religion is ignorance? Seems like I'm defending myself against apologists for islam here!!
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Prejudice, by its very nature, is ignorance. Prejudice means "a judgement made before reviewing relevant information". Which describes exactly what you are doing with regards to islam.
 
You may place whatever spin turns you on the facts, but there is no escaping the fact some of you are defending the indefensible.
My prejudice is against all religion, not just islam which I hate with a passion because of their 7th century beliefs. A woman was raped in Somalia somewhere a couple of years ago, and she was stoned to death for adultery. No one can defend that kind of behavior in the name of a religion, any religion.
 
amb said:
You may place whatever spin turns you on the facts, but there is no escaping the fact some of you are defending the indefensible.
My prejudice is against all religion, not just islam which I hate with a passion because of their 7th century beliefs. A woman was raped in Somalia somewhere a couple of years ago, and she was stoned to death for adultery. No one can defend that kind of behavior in the name of a religion, any religion.
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and who here defended the stoneing of a rape victim?
 
amb said:
All who are defending islam!
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I do not defend sharia punishments like stoning people. And most moslems i know personally do not respect sharia punishments like stoning cutting of hands etc, they don't want that, some Nigerian Family i know even fled exactly that kind of stuff, but they still are muslims. And with your briad brush you also paint those that fled such violence the same color as those they fled from. the extremists.

you talk as if every moslem is the same, they all think alike etc. witch is in huge conflict with reality. but reality has never managed to convince bigots.
 
The silence from so-called moderates against such behavior in their religion is deafening.
 
amb said:
The silence from so-called moderates against such behavior in their religion is deafening.
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have you ever looked for such voiced? for example, by tipping, Muslim against Sharia into your Google? i bet not.
 
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