Seismic event indicating explosion at WTC

[leftysergeant]

Yes absolutely. I'm not an expert on seismology. But that doesn't make my initial claim invalid.

Yes, it does.

Even the shape of the recorded seismic event is consistent with an explosion (plus collapse). If there was only a collapse without explosion, it would have looked more like this:

[qimg]http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9045/wtcs7.png[/qimg]

WTC 7 fell in stages. None of the stages were as violent as the collapse of the towers. Given the same materials falling a greater distance, without something squishy on the ground under it, I would expect stuff falling from the tops of the towers to rattle the earth a little more sharply even without HE.

 

[fitzgibbon]

Pardon my amateurishness.

Don't worry. T'was expected

 

[beachnut]

Thermite coming up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv2ck2qsiGA

Or pouring down rather. Ignore the 'body fluid from the dead people' mentioned in the video. That's clearly NOT what it was. (sorry, maybe I should not joke about this tragic event)

Jones never proved it. A lie from the video.
Jones made up thermite 4 years after 911.
Jones never found iron. A lie from the video.

You posted lies, good job. You posted propaganda.

Ignore the rude dolt comments? You posted junk, and you can't prove it is true. Why do you propagate moronic delusions from insane people. Jones said the US caused the earthquakes in Haiti, he might be insane.

 

[leftysergeant]

Charges that blow in!!! LOL, stundied!!! who will beat me to the post? almost all

Thanks for pointing that out. I almost missed it and I needed a good laugh.

 

[grandmastershek]

Yep. That's what I think.

Lets say the basement explosives took out 3 sub basement (a guess) sets of columns. You now have 80 floors above intact. You don't see the inherent problem here?

 

[beachnut]

Thanks for pointing that out. I almost missed it and I needed a good laugh.

Silent suck-a-boom charges. I mean holographic planes and aircraft impact sounding suck-a-boom charges shaped like aircraft impacts, with 66,000 pounds (10,000 gallons) of jet fuel miniaturized so the people who worked in the office would not notice 10,000 gallons of jet fuel to a make the 10,000 gallon like jet fuel fireball!


It gets really moronic if you try to make that delusion work in the real world. This guy is over the top, with undefined stupid ideas.

Is he stuck on the last page?

 

[T.A.M.]

Only IF you can show that your information is correct.

ditto...we are waiting.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Thermite coming up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv2ck2qsiGA

Or pouring down rather. Ignore the 'body fluid from the dead people' mentioned in the video. That's clearly NOT what it was. (sorry, maybe I should not joke about this tragic event)

OFF TOPIC...please stick to the topic of your own thread. There are tonnes of threads debunking the above trash...go find them.

TAM

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Thermite coming up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv2ck2qsiGA

That's not thermite, that's molten lead or aluminum with fragments of burning materials (paper, office furniture, plastics) suspended in it.

It's also narrated by Eric "Kick All Jews in the Face" Hufschmid.

Nuff sed.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Don't be ridiculous. The time recorded at the PAL station wasn't computed, it was measured. The phrase "computed origin time" clearly means "the computed time of origin of the seismic waves", not "the measured arrival time of the seismic waves". You're deliberately misrepresenting the data to support your preferred conclusion.

Dave

Ok, origin time means the time at the source, in this case at the WTC.

The origin time according to the seismic recording at PAL for the South Tower is 9:59:04 +/- 1 second. Yet the official 9/11 commission report states that the time for the start of the collapse of the South Tower was: 9:58:59. Isn't that an inconsistency? Why 5 seconds time difference?

 

[Anders Lindman]

OFF TOPIC...please stick to the topic of your own thread. There are tonnes of threads debunking the above trash...go find them.

TAM

Ok. I'll stick to the seismic stuff in this thread.

 

[leftysergeant]

Isn't that an inconsistency? Why 5 seconds time difference?

Unusually high or low tide on the Hudson?

 

[T.A.M.]

Ok. I'll stick to the seismic stuff in this thread.

Thank you for your co-operation. I wish more people would do so.

TAM

 

[Anders Lindman]

Unusually high or low tide on the Hudson?

But origin time means the very first onset of the seismic signal is timed, which means the start of the collapse. See this image for example:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6177/72044115.gif

Edited by LashL: 

Removed repetitive image. Please see Rule 6 and do not repeat the same image over and over again in a thread. Instead, just post a link to the image after you've used it once or twice.

And the span for errors in the calculated origin time is only +/- 1 second.

 

[leftysergeant]

But origin time means the very first onset of the seismic signal is timed, which means the start of the collapse. See this image for example:

[qimg]http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6177/72044115.gif[/qimg]

I would have to see a whole day's worth of normal readings, but it appears to me that something is going on at about 8 seconds. No demolition charges.

Buh-bye.

 

[jhunter1163]

I like reminding Truthers that setting off tons of thermite would have created a flash that would probably have been visible from the freaking MOON. It's kind of a hobby with me.

 

[Lak]

Ok, origin time means the time at the source, in this case at the WTC.

The origin time according to the seismic recording at PAL for the South Tower is 9:59:04 +/- 1 second. Yet the official 9/11 commission report states that the time for the start of the collapse of the South Tower was: 9:58:59. Isn't that an inconsistency? Why 5 seconds time difference?

I think I can answer that.
9:59:04 is from seismic data and marks the first impacts of debris on the ground.
9:58:59 is from visual evidence, and marks the actual beginning of the collapse. You can see it very precisely on this video : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5061514770009171572&q=world+trade+center&hl=en#

Not the same event, not the same time. No inconsistancy.

 

[uke2se]

Do you think it could be possible that planes hijacked by terrorists flew into the buildings, causing fires and eventually causing the structure to weaken enough for it to collapse on its own, without any super sekrit gubmint plan to bring them down?

Still waiting for an answer to this, Anders.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I think I can answer that.
9:59:04 is from seismic data and marks the first impacts of debris on the ground.
9:58:59 is from visual evidence, and marks the actual beginning of the collapse. You can see it very precisely on this video : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5061514770009171572&q=world+trade+center&hl=en#

Not the same event, not the same time. No inconsistancy.

But already the start of the collapse would have sent seismic waves (heck, even the plane impacts were registered at the PAL station albeit only as very tiny events), and they put origin time at the very start of the first tiny signal arriving, which means the origin time 9:59:04 indicates the start of the collapse. Compare with the North Tower (origin time 10:28:31), look at the arrow pointing at the beginning in the below picture. That's the very first signal arriving at PAL, i.e. wave components from the start of the collapse.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6177/72044115.gif

Edited by LashL: 

Removed repetitive image. See Rule 6, and do not repeat the same image over and over again. Instead, post a link to the image in subsequent posts.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Still waiting for an answer to this, Anders.

I will stay on topic in this thread, but since you asked it before I will answer it. Yes, I believe the official version is possible. I keep an open mind and, to use a term GWB used, have all options on the table.