Pope's state visit to the UK thread

More bibles will be sold? :D

Rather amusingly, bibles are just about the only thing you won't find in the Official Merchandising Shop. If you want a Papal hoodie you're sorted though. Surprisingly appropriate, too:

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Not saying it wasn't a waste, but beefing about a vanishingly small percent as if it's meaningful is clownish.

It may be small in the big scheme of things, but it's our money, and as such it matters.

We have a saying in the UK. 'Look after the pennies, and the pounds look after themselves.' Keep an eye out for opportunities to save a few pence here and there, and you'd be surprised how many pounds you save over time. It works the same for the government, but on a much larger scale.

£20 million for a Papal visit that should've been paid for solely by the Catholic church is not acceptable, especially considering we're being told to tighten our belts because there's a recession on.
 
More bibles will be sold? :D
I think that one reached near-saturation point a long time ago. :)

It seems to be keeping lots of journalists in work; I am off work sick today and the usual daytime TV nonsense seems to have been replaced by live coverage of the visit.
I'm sure they'd find something more meaningful to report if he wasn't here. Like Wayne Rooney's sex life, or what Katie Price is (almost) wearing today.
 
The Duke of Edinburgh is going to greet the pope when he arrives. It's a pity yon cardinal isn't going to be here, they'd get on like a house on fire.
 
Someone on HYS is complaining about missing Bargain Hunt. :D Comment 136

I am amused to note that Channel 4 are entering into the spirit of things by showing Brigadoon opposite the BBC's papal coverage.

It's all about some foreigners visiting Scotland and rattling on endlessly about some magical place that nobody else believes in, while Brigadoon is a film starring Gene Kelly.
 
I caught a bit of one of the Rat's speeches on the way home at lunchtime. I found it rather annoying as it seemed to be saying it was important to believe in some sort of God or else society was doomed. I'll see if I can find the actual text somewhere.

ETA: Can't find the actual words, the closest is this.
"Today, the United Kingdom strives to be a modern and multicultural society," the Pope said at the Palace of Holyrood in Edinburgh, where he flew in earlier at the start of his four-day trip to Scotland and England.

"In this challenging enterprise, may it always maintain its respect for those traditional values and cultural expressions that more aggressive forms of secularism no longer value or even tolerate."
 
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I caught a bit of one of the Rat's speeches on the way home at lunchtime. I found it rather annoying as it seemed to be saying it was important to believe in some sort of God or else society was doomed. I'll see if I can find the actual text somewhere.

ETA: Can't find the actual words, the closest is this.

"aggressive forms of secularism".

What does he imagine aggressive secularism is?
 
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Is it this, zooterkin? http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld...ting-speeches-by-pope-and-queen-in-edinburgh/

Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny”.
 
Under the curent international norms the pope is as head of state and thus on a par with the likes of Albert II, Marcus Stephen and Hans-Adam II. Not recognising this makes about as much sense as not recognising that Queen Elizabeth II is the head of state of Tuvalu.
only for the next 50 years or so.
Oh c'mon, she's 84 years old now. You think she'll make it to 134?

I appreciate this was a global warming joke though.
 
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Is it this, zooterkin? http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld...ting-speeches-by-pope-and-queen-in-edinburgh/
Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny”.

Evidence?
 
I caught a bit of one of the Rat's speeches on the way home at lunchtime. I found it rather annoying as it seemed to be saying it was important to believe in some sort of God or else society was doomed. I'll see if I can find the actual text somewhere.

ETA: Can't find the actual words, the closest is this.

"...."In this challenging enterprise, may it always maintain its respect for those traditional values and cultural expressions that more aggressive forms of secularism no longer value or even tolerate."

What like a worldwide, centrally controlled conspiracy to keep paedophiles safe and their victims not safe?

Damn these aggressive forms of secularism!
 
... the RCC doesn't officially recognise any of the clergy in the C. of E., up to and including the Archbishop of Canterbury, as priests.

Bovvered.
This Pope could never compete with our Rowan Williams. Our Most Reverend and Right Honourable and Eminently Bebearded Doctor is as cool as ****, I'll have you know.
Ratzinger's been dying to meet him since he found out Williams was the guy in The Joy of Sex book.

Oh, and Jesus was English.

All stand.

 
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