Pope's state visit to the UK thread

Am I the only one who now has a Tim Minchkin song running through his head?
 
geni said:
Under the curent international norms the pope is as head of state and thus on a par with the likes of Albert II, Marcus Stephen and Hans-Adam II. Not recognising this makes about as much sense as not recognising that Queen Elizabeth II is the head of state of Tuvalu.
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I am not a Royalist.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/16/pope-benedict-xvi-atheist-extremism

Pope Benedict XVI goes to war with 'atheist extremism'

Benedict XVI used the first papal state visit to Britain today to launch a blistering attack on "atheist extremism" and "aggressive secularism", and to rue the damage that "the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life" had done in the ...
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Love the comments! :cool:

And nice hat Ratzi. Is that similar to one that Jesus wore? (:mad: if I really cared.)

Do you think that Liz had her tongue firmly in her cheek whan she wished God's Representative on Earth a "most fruitful and memorable visit"?
 
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geni said:
Under the curent international norms the pope is as head of state and thus on a par with the likes of Albert II, Marcus Stephen and Hans-Adam II. Not recognising this makes about as much sense as not recognising that Queen Elizabeth II is the head of state of Tuvalu.
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Skeptic said:
He is. The Vatican is a state.
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The Vatican is a rogue state which doesn't have any diplomatic relations with other states or accedes to international treaties. The entity that does so is the Holy See, an entity that does not control any territory but is nevertheless traditionally treated as a sovereign entity. So, the pope is definitely distinct from the other rulers geni mentioned, who rule microstates - the pope rules a non-territorial "state". It would be refreshing if some other state would cut that crap with non-territorial sovereign entities. I'd say, just arrest the bastard for his complicity in the paedophilia cases.
 
Warsi says something stupid.

In a speech to Church of England bishops in Oxford, Warsi said the last government was "profoundly wrong" because it appeared to view religion as "a rather quaint relic of our pre-industrial history". She added: "They were too suspicious of faith's potential for contributing to society – behind every faith-based charity, they sensed the whiff of conversion and exclusivity...

The last government had encouraged "a new kind of intellectual, who dines out on free flowing media and sustains a vocabulary of secularist intolerance," she said. "The fact is that our world is more religious than ever. Faith is here to stay. It is part of the fabric of human experience. And in Britain faith is very much alive and kicking."
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richardm said:
The BBC are running an account of that, and are using the headline "Pope compares atheists with Nazis".

Can't see that improving his reception very much.
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Can we invoke Godwin's law?

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.
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There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread.
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Ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


The debate about religion is over. The RCC has lost. Can we close the religion sub forum now? QED.
 
So today's subject is Schools. Perhaps Benny can be inspired by this speech from his former leader.

Adolf Hitler said:
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people.
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Well done Ratzinger! You really have an unparalleled ability to step into each and every turd on the way...
 
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