Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[bill smith]

I was to the West. My view of the plane's approach was not obstructed in any way, but the better part of the explosion occurred outside of my view. What I saw mostly was the North side exploding outwards, as well as the dusty poof on the South side of the building.

Would that have affected my ability to hear a sound? I don't know. But I didn't really hear a distinct explosion sound as portrayed in the audio -- but the video (that which could be seen) was identical.

What about this video. Which plane looked most like the one you saw. The one that hits precisely horizontally or the one that hits at a steep downwards angle ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz5LuUpcCwU&feature=related

 

[carlitos]

I was back in the office calling my then-wife when the South Tower fell, so I didn't witness it.

I did witness the North tower falling. It was more of a dull roar than anything else.

Thanks. Sorry for asking you about what had to be a really tough day.

ETA - Since you are new here, I'll just add that, when you click a user name, say, "bill smith," to pick an example, there is an option to "add this poster to your ignore list." Then you don't see some of the inane trolling activity.

 

[bill smith]

Thanks. Sorry for asking you about what had to be a really tough day.

ETA - Since you are new here, I'll just add that, when you click a user name, say, "bill smith," to pick an example, there is an option to "add this poster to your ignore list." Then you don't see some of the inane trolling activity.

Ah sure we all know that poor Carlitos is not a lover of delicate questions.

 

[twinstead]

What about this video. Which plane looked most like the one you saw. The one that hits precisely horizontally or the one that hits at a steep downwards angle ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz5LuUpcCwU&feature=related

Hypothetically, how many actual eye witnesses would have to come forward and give their story before you'd actually start wondering if these no planers just may be a bunch of idiots? 5? 10? 100? 1000?

 

[Bell]

Hypothetically, how many actual eye witnesses would have to come forward and give their story before you'd actually start wondering if these no planers just may be a bunch of idiots? 5? 10? 100? 1000?

Number of people present in NYC and NJ on 9/11, divide by 2, add 1.

 

[bill smith]

Hypothetically, how many actual eye witnesses would have to come forward and give their story before you'd actually start wondering if these no planers just may be a bunch of idiots? 5? 10? 100? 1000?

Do you think it might be some kind of TV fakery like many Truthers have claimed exists in the 9/11 footage ?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Do you think it might be some kind of TV fakery like many Truthers have claimed exists in the 9/11 footage ?

When it comes to editted YouTube videos from Truthers, then yes, that's TV Fakery.

 

[beachnut]

Do you think it might be some kind of TV fakery like many Truthers have claimed exists in the 9/11 footage ?

No "fakery", only 911 truth liars making up false claims to fool the gullible. Do you understand light and sound travel at different speeds?

There were thousands of eye witnesses to the second impact. Many have shared their experience. They are not telling lies, 911 truth is telling lies.

Number of people present in NYC and NJ on 9/11, divide by 2, add 1.

911 truth will be confused, they don't do math. It would always be n+1. Overwhelming evidence for 911 truth is 0 divided by 1 (1 or the number of 911 truth cult members).

 

[bill smith]

When it comes to editted YouTube videos from Truthers, then yes, that's TV Fakery.

Allow me to edit something in your post that jars.

 

[danmcogden]

What about this video. Which plane looked most like the one you saw. The one that hits precisely horizontally or the one that hits at a steep downwards angle ?

There are a LOT of people who make YouTube videos about 9/11, and some of them present very interesting information that looks different from others of them.

Take this video, for example: watch?v=-K-WjsHa_2k

Sometimes, the very same user will actually have 2 different videos that seemingly contradict each other. Like in this case -- the video I posted above, which seems to reconcile all the camera angles, is from the same user as the video you posted, which doesn't. Go figure.

The plane I saw looked pretty much like any of them, but from a different angle. It banked and hit. I wasn't, at the time, sitting on a protractor to measure the angle of impact. Just as I am not now sitting on a copy of an Encyclopedia Brown book that would allow us to figure out the one mistake that Bugs Meany made which would invalidate his whole story.

Real life doesn't work that way.

What I conveyed isn't a story, research or some kind of deduced conclusion. It was my factual experience. It isn't up for interpretation or debate.

Just as surely as you know what your bed looked like this morning, I know what I saw that morning.

 

[T.A.M.]

Here's a question for you TAM. We clearly hear the plane coming in. We clearly hear the delayed explosion in the building. But did you hear the sound of the plane hitting 33 steel box columns each braced every 12 feet against a concrete floor slab ?

what does one have to do with the other? Unless you clarify further what point you are trying to make (which is what I asked you to do, not give me some irrelevant analogy or comparison), I think you are comparing red apples to red fire engines.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Ah sure we all know that poor Carlitos is not a lover of delicate questions.

unlike you bill, right? you'll ask a widow how much her husband left her while at the funeral, wouldn't you bill? no?

TAM

 

[bill smith]

There are a LOT of people who make YouTube videos about 9/11, and some of them present very interesting information that looks different from others of them.

Take this video, for example: watch?v=-K-WjsHa_2k

Sometimes, the very same user will actually have 2 different videos that seemingly contradict each other. Like in this case -- the video I posted above, which seems to reconcile all the camera angles, is from the same user as the video you posted, which doesn't. Go figure.

The plane I saw looked pretty much like any of them, but from a different angle. It banked and hit. I wasn't, at the time, sitting on a protractor to measure the angle of impact. Just as I am not now sitting on a copy of an Encyclopedia Brown book that would allow us to figure out the one mistake that Bugs Meany made which would invalidate his whole story.

Real life doesn't work that way.

What I conveyed isn't a story, research or some kind of deduced conclusion. It was my factual experience. It isn't up for interpretation or debate.

Just as surely as you know what your bed looked like this morning, I know what I saw that morning.

Please listen to the female commentators at the 1:15 mark in this video

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/music/watch/v224537xJtJApPr# 1:15

I submit that these two women commentating on live 9/11 TV have been told that they will see a plane strike the building on their screens and when there is a massive explosion without a plane they are completely at a loss for what to say and make a total horse's ass out of it what with 'planes hitting planes' and 'Was that in the other building ' and suchlike.

Would you be willing to accept that something very very strange was going on there ?.

 

[T.A.M.]

There is NOTHING strange about their reactions. They saw the plane, LIKE WE ALL DID, on the screen, hitting the tower, and were taken aback by the fact that this had now happened a second time, and stumbled over their words.

I am sorry, but only a *********** IDIOT would think otherwise.

TAM

 

[beachnut]

Please listen to the female commentators at the 1:15 mark in this video

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/music/watch/v224537xJtJApPr# 1:15

I submit that these two women commentating on live 9/11 TV have been told that they will see a plane strike the building on their screens and when there is a massive explosion without a plane they are completely at a loss for what to say and make a total horse's ass out of it what with 'planes hitting planes' and 'Was that in the other building ' and suchlike.

Would you be willing to accept that something very very strange was going on there ?.

How stupid do you have to be to make up the lies in that video? The eye witnesses make the video you posted a lie. Why do you post lies?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

There is NOTHING strange about their reactions. They saw the plane, LIKE WE ALL DID, on the screen, hitting the tower, and were taken aback by the fact that this had now happened a second time, and stumbled over their words.

I am sorry, but only a *********** IDIOT would think otherwise.

TAM

Yep nothing strange at all. You just witness something unlike you have ever and will ever see again and were taken aback, Thats the moment when the nation realized they we were at war. I think I can pardon them for not being word perfect.

 

[fess]

Not like this video then at about 46 seconds. If you play it a little loud you will notice a clear gap between the impact and the explosion.

Did this resemble your experience ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUT7yup-YIg&NR=1

Thanks to you B.S., Jammy’s no plane theory just got stuffed down his throat. Don’t that make you feel good? Not to mention all of the troofers that claim there were no large fires in the towers want to kick you butt. I just love it when troofers prove they are full of it.

This video was shot just south and under tower 2, Dan was to the west, don’t you think the sights and sounds would be different?

 

[danmcogden]

Please listen to the female commentators at the 1:15 mark in this video

I submit that these two women commentating on live 9/11 TV have been told that they will see a plane strike the building on their screens and when there is a massive explosion without a plane they are completely at a loss for what to say and make a total horse's ass out of it what with 'planes hitting planes' and 'Was that in the other building ' and suchlike.

Would you be willing to accept that something very very strange was going on there ?.

I believe you'll find your answer on YouTube here, from 911TruthVideos. watch?v=ymf30rN4Mxo

He posted this to explain that, whatever else he feels about 9/11, the No Planes Theory is wrong. And he addresses the very video you've highlighted.

 

[beachnut]

I believe you'll find your answer on YouTube here, from 911TruthVideos. watch?v=ymf30rN4Mxo

He posted this to explain that, whatever else he feels about 9/11, the No Planes Theory is wrong. And he addresses the very video you've highlighted.

Thanks for sharing what you saw on 911. Poor bill, she is post delusions and falls for all the 911 truth lies.

Thanks again.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Welcome to the funny farm, Dan.

Well at least we can now say that you have seen a video that does not agree with what you saw.

This is the kind of childish bull@#$% you can expect from the opposition around here.

Enjoy your stay.