Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[danmcogden]

Howdy. My name is Dan Ogden, and I'm new to this forum.

I understand there may be some questions about my having witnessed the 2nd plane crash?

 

[Disbelief]

Howdy. My name is Dan Ogden, and I'm new to this forum.

I understand there may be some questions about my having witnessed the 2nd plane crash?

Welcome Dan. Try not to let jammy get under your skin, as he/she is really just looking for attention. Bill smith is the same way.

Besides that, enjoy your stay here.

 

[twinstead]

Howdy. My name is Dan Ogden, and I'm new to this forum.

I understand there may be some questions about my having witnessed the 2nd plane crash?

Welcome Dan.

Yea. It appears that there are a few people who believe you are either lying, fooled, or "in on it".

Aren't crazy people funny?

 

[TJM]

Howdy. My name is Dan Ogden, and I'm new to this forum.

I understand there may be some questions about my having witnessed the 2nd plane crash?

I call shenanigans, since according to some, there weren't thousands of people who saw it with their own eyes. So you must be a hologram capable of registering here. You probably have voice morphing technology capable of fooling your loved ones. Did the MIC screw up and assign you a duplicate victim face as well? How much were you paid off?

You're not fooling anyone.

 

[Bell]

Howdy. My name is Dan Ogden, and I'm new to this forum.

I understand there may be some questions about my having witnessed the 2nd plane crash?

Welcome Dan!

What Disbelief said. Jammy will most likely come on to you as arrogant as possible, hand waving away your testimony, explaining how you are either an agent or are mislead by what you think you saw, years of media indoctrination and all.

For an example of his nasty posting style (beside word salad) see this awful post about Stanley Praimnath:

Oh boy, Quick, you are indeed a victim of teevee. I think that "brothers for life" ditty is a part of a teevee docu-drama depicting Stanley Praimnath's statement that he was standing in his office on the 81st Floor of the South Tower when he looked and saw a Boeing 767 jetliner coming at him (at 550mph+/-) and he then dove under his desk as the wing of the plane came at him and his desk saved him from being injured by the mean-old jetliner that came right through his window.

Quick, the problem with teevee is that it is an illusion. It distorts reality and substitutes illusion for reality.

In most contexts, most people would be able to ascertain that Stanley Praimnath's story of miraculous survival is utter, complete, and total nonsense. That man no more survived the crash of a Boeing 767 through his window than you did.

Instead, he survived the pyrotechnical (firecracker-like) explosion at the South Tower.

all the best

Jammy is clearly not well and needs help.

 

[Bell]

I call shenanigans, since according to some, there weren't thousands of people who saw it with their own eyes. So you must be a hologram capable of registering here. You probably have voice morphing technology capable of fooling your loved ones. Did the MIC screw up and assign you a duplicate victim face as well? How much were you paid off?

You're not fooling anyone.

So the fact that Dan registered her is actual proof of no-planes!!
Dan, are you familiar with MTA busses or the NYC subway by any change?

 

[danmcogden]

Thanks for the welcome, guys.

Yes, Bell, I'm pretty familiar with the subways and (to a lesser extent) the buses. I'm a lifelong New Yorker, born and raised in Manhattan, and am a big proponent of rapid transit.

 

[danmcogden]

Welcome Dan.

Yea. It appears that there are a few people who believe you are either lying, fooled, or "in on it".

Aren't crazy people funny?

Not fooled. Brainwashed.

There's a difference, so they tell me.

 

[danmcogden]

I call shenanigans, since according to some, there weren't thousands of people who saw it with their own eyes. So you must be a hologram capable of registering here. You probably have voice morphing technology capable of fooling your loved ones. Did the MIC screw up and assign you a duplicate victim face as well? How much were you paid off?

You're not fooling anyone.

Ha ha!

Actually, I have fooled you quite well. This is part of the mass hypnosis project...you are responding to nothing...

 

[Bell]

Thanks for the welcome, guys.

Yes, Bell, I'm pretty familiar with the subways and (to a lesser extent) the buses. I'm a lifelong New Yorker, born and raised in Manhattan, and am a big proponent of rapid transit.

Good! Then explain to Jammy that bussed and subway trains sound nothing like a Boeing 767 screaming through the sky some 1000 feet up in the air.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171082

(Closed thread, lots of crazy...)

 

[danmcogden]

If you're within direct line of sight of a subway grate, you'll probably hear the subway, but it would really take quite a leap of faith for it to sound like a plane.

There are 3 major international airports around NYC -- LaGuardia, Newark and JFK. There are planes circling all the time, many times directly over Manhattan. They're usually audible at some level, sometimes much louder than others depending on the weather, their altitude, speed, acceleration, heading and the surroundings of the listener (Central Park fly bys sound a little different than downtown fly bys).

Subways, too, can be loud, though this is usually the case in an more concentrated area -- subway grates do not run for blocks and blocks, but are usually a 1/4 or a 1/2 block long. While you can hear a subway from areas away from the grates, it isn't usually as loud as it is when standing on the grates. And it isn't as loud, in my experience, as the lower flying jets I've heard in my 40+ years of living here, notwithstanding the complete difference in timbre.

As to the idea that a bus might sound like a plane, absolutely not. No NYC bus in any area of Manhattan would travel fast enough to make a similar sound under any circumstance -- they make whining sounds that ascend and descend as they accelerate and decelerate.

 

[djlunacee]

Howdy. My name is Dan Ogden, and I'm new to this forum.

I understand there may be some questions about my having witnessed the 2nd plane crash?

Welcome Dan!!! If you have read this entire thread, I hope you have an optomitrist's release that says your eyeballs are in perfect working order and enjoy a nice cool breeze from all of the handwaving you are about to experience. Still, a life long NYer using the term howdy is rather suspicious....

 

[Bell]

If you're within direct line of sight of a subway grate, you'll probably hear the subway, but it would really take quite a leap of faith for it to sound like a plane.

There are 3 major international airports around NYC -- LaGuardia, Newark and JFK. There are planes circling all the time, many times directly over Manhattan. They're usually audible at some level, sometimes much louder than others depending on the weather, their altitude, speed, acceleration, heading and the surroundings of the listener (Central Park fly bys sound a little different than downtown fly bys).

Subways, too, can be loud, though this is usually the case in an more concentrated area -- subway grates do not run for blocks and blocks, but are usually a 1/4 or a 1/2 block long. While you can hear a subway from areas away from the grates, it isn't usually as loud as it is when standing on the grates. And it isn't as loud, in my experience, as the lower flying jets I've heard in my 40+ years of living here, notwithstanding the complete difference in timbre.

As to the idea that a bus might sound like a plane, absolutely not. No NYC bus in any area of Manhattan would travel fast enough to make a similar sound under any circumstance -- they make whining sounds that ascend and descend as they accelerate and decelerate.

Thank you Dan.

 

[danmcogden]

From the video:

0:40 -0:53 "...We're at 66 York Street [Exchange Place, 66 York Street, Jersey City] and I and a number of my co-workers WERE IN THE OFFICE WHEN WE HAD HEARD THAT THERE WAS A FIRE AT ER A IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WAS HOW WE HEARD ABOUT IT. Emphasis added.

It never ceases to amaze me how PLANE SPOTTER witnesses are, in fact, NO PLANE witnesses based on what they actually say. Technically speaking, what Dan McOgden says above is useless hearsay and not really evidence. But, with that limitation in mind, it is still an indicator, yet again, what people actually SAW and ACTUALLY REPORTED was a fire or explosion and not a plane crash.

True, right after the above, he delves further into hearsay to indicate someone's husband called in to say 'PLANE CRASH'. Right at the outset, however, even within this person's realm of alleged personal experience, there is a conflict between witnesses. One or one group says FIRE another one says PLANE CRASH.

Once again, one of the things that characterizes DEBUNKER WORLD is that there is NO RECOGNITION, NO ACKNOWLEDGMENT of conflicting witness claims. That is why debunkers cannot be considered reliable researchers. They are agenda driven.

I, on the other hand, have said, many, many times that there are some legitimate PLANE SPOTTER witnesses. And, I have linked and commented on the ones that appear legitimate. I have also consistently shown, however, that the number and the quality of witnesses consistent with the NO PLANE claim outnumber and are of better quality than are those who claim plane.

That, in fact, is what this thread shows and what the DICK OLIVER threads show.

Look at the video yourselves posters, lurkers and victims family members.

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It might also be helpful to take up Dan's suggestion and post up a Google Maps image to show line of sight. However, there really is little that would be added by that as Dan makes a clear NO PLANE statement, if one really examines what he says and how he says it.

Anyhoo, here's what the guy actually says for those who are influenced by such things as reason and actual content, rather than what they want to believe.

For those who are a bit more advanced, check out eyes, voice inflection and other clues in discerning when he's speaking about what he observed versus when he's trying to convince himself of the common storyline:

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all the best

Oh, my. Where to begin.

The fire and the plane crash are completely consistent. We heard there was a fire, from the woman, Tina, whose husband called us. He said there was a plane crash -- presumably the cause. We went downstairs to check it out. He is the only person we heard from, and I didn't hear from him personally - I just took Tina's word that her husband had called and that she, with some level of accuracy, relayed what she'd heard from him.

Is it hearsay, your honor? Absolutely. We didn't see crash #1. Didn't know anything about it, other than the one phone call. So we went down to see things first hand. The same way you might take a look if someone called to you in your upstairs window to say "Your first floor is on fire!"

Crash #2: not hearsay. I actually witnessed it. I stand by everything I said in the video. Including the points you appear to have surgically taken out to prove a point which still mystifies me. And yes, I call it Crash # 2 without having seen Crash #1. Purely for clarity.

Eyes? Inflection? Whatever.

If you'd like to rebut it, might I suggest you make your own video, with your own face on it.

But you won't.

 

[danmcogden]

Welcome Dan!!! If you have read this entire thread, I hope you have an optomitrist's release that says your eyeballs are in perfect working order and enjoy a nice cool breeze from all of the handwaving you are about to experience. Still, a life long NYer using the term howdy is rather suspicious....

Ha ha!

I always was a fan of Westerns, and I find "Howdy" works better than the typical NYC greeting.

Which, for those of you not familiar with it, is "F*** You!"

 

[Bell]

Ha ha!

I always was a fan of Westerns, and I find "Howdy" works better than the typical NYC greeting.

When I read the above, the following line was just off screen for me:

Which, for those of you not familiar with it, is "F*** You!"

But I knew this would be what followed

 

[bill smith]

Howdy. My name is Dan Ogden, and I'm new to this forum.

I understand there may be some questions about my having witnessed the 2nd plane crash?

Hello Dan and welcome to the forum. I am sure that several members will have questions for you.

 

[bill smith]

Howdy. My name is Dan Ogden, and I'm new to this forum.

I understand there may be some questions about my having witnessed the 2nd plane crash?

Where were you when you saw the crash and did you see it early and track it all the way into the building ?

 

[danmcogden]

Where were you when you saw the crash and did you see it early and track it all the way into the building ?

Howdy, Bill.

I suspect the answers to all you questions will be found in the video I made. It is that video that may have left some with questions.

In the search box in YouTube, if you enter "video response to no plane theory" you will easily find my complete eyewitness account. If you have any questions after that point, I would be happy to take a look at them.

Cheers --

 

[Bell]

If you'd like to rebut it, might I suggest you make your own video, with your own face on it.

But you won't.

I strongly suspect Jammy is the one on the left in this picture: