Who started both World Wars?

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Are you speaking of the atomic bomb? That same atomic bomb that the Germans were desperately trying to develop themselves?

Yes, the Manhattan project. Could not have come up with a better name for this essentially Jewish project myself. Although the name is dangerous as well... the Gods have a tendency to play with these kind of verbal provocations.

You're saying that the nation that SUCCEEDED in developing it was brutal, while the one that tried and failed took the moral high road by virtue of that failure?

We are interested in what happened, not what could have happened. The Germans never thought of using anthrax and poison gas against civil targets. The British did. And they did attack German civil targets from the moment on that Churchill came to power. The Germans at some point were forced to retaliate, but the final tally in bombing civilian targets was 20:1.
 
The Jews in Washington? Oh, you mean the secretary of the Treasury, ONE of the nine supreme court justices, and some of Roosevelt's personal friends?

Maybe you're right. Maybe they did plot for war. However, since they had zero influence on American foreign policy, I doubt anyone took notice of their plot.

Earlier in the thread I have shown you that Chamberlain admitted that he was pushed in the war by the Jews.
 
Because it's really hard to find a joo in Japan.

Very few kosher places in Tokyo in the late 30s and early 40s. They also have many dishes with pork.

And that is precisely the only reason why Japan is still a homogeneous nation, unlike America and to a lesser extent Europe. Eastern Europe is virtually white. And that is the reason why these territories have a future and America is going to be balkanized.

I did find a real nice kosher place and an orthodox reading room in my hotel in Hawaii earlier this year. I tried to imagine wearing those heavy coats in Hawaii and busrt into flame.

You probably were actively looking for these goodies, right?
 
Read statements from Chamberlain (in that link and discussed in this thread) about Jews pushing him into the war declaration.

I was under the impression there was evidence coming. I see nothing here to worthy of comment. It's the rant of a bigot and a crank nothing more. Calling it weak scholarship gives it too much credit. We're going to take the word of Nazi's at face value? It's not as if they were honorable or honest people.

Of course the IHR isn't exactly a credible source of anything lacking even the most basic standards of academic rigor. It's not considered credible by any of the major historical scholarly associations or journals either.

I am curious about your bizarre conceit. The delusion that you have some keen insight into things that the rest of don't I find fascinating. It's not uncommon that people who are completely dysfunctional in other areas of their lives turn to these sort of conspiracy theories as a way to compensate for failures in other areas. Curious.
 
Explain to me where he was 'retarded'?
He had won if he had captured Moscow.

Could've, should've, didn't.

He was 50 km away from saving Europe from the Anglo/Soviet monsters.

And now, demonizing the opposition. What's funny about all this is that the atrocities commited by the Nazis are, somehow, justified, but those commited by the allies are, somehow, monstrous. And apparently you don't notice that dissonance.

That's the new explanation and you have nothing to say against it.

Actually there's 64 pages of people saying something against it.

Yes you won in 1945, RedWorm (what's in a name)

Here you go, again, "investigating".
 
That is all true. We can explain why America felt strong enough to wage war: they knew the had the resources to complete the job. The did not care about Poland. It was about destroying Europe and take it's place and nothing else.

You're not thinking in WWII terms. You're using your knowledge of current events (incomplete as it is) and applying it to people who have been dead for some time. You're not a mind-reader, and you're a very bad historian.
 
... and because of this RedWorm decides that the most brutal weapon of all (typically invented by the Jews, only they are able to put so much misery in a cubic meter) can be merrily used, making himself even more brutal.

That's your defense ? You dodge the question of the Nazi's occupation atrocities by using a massive Tu Quoque ?

I'd also like to point out that, if the Nazis had had an atomic weapon, they would've used it, too.

I see you have only 8 posts under your belt. Why don't start reading this thread?

So not only are you using race and nationality as a marker of worth, but post-count, as well ? Boy, I must be a litteral god to you.

I have an academically trained mind, with an IQ of 130+,

Ah, yes. Presenting one's IQ is sure to convince us. Seeing how useless that number is, it's amazing that so many people try to show it off. Mine's 140+, by the way, so I must be MORE right than you.
 
You still don't get it, do you? Hitler had ordered the invasion plans prepared nearly a year before the actual invasion. Hitler ordered such preparations at a time his air force was battling for supremacy over the skies of Britain and it wasn't clear at all that the battle was going Germany's way.

Transscript of this speech (starting 1:30):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POIBzdbNfwc&feature=related

here:

http://www.deutschlandjournal.de/De...il_-_Die_Eskalation_zum_Zweiten_Weltkrieg.pdf

Molotov, decades after Barbarossa:

„Es blieb Hitler gar nichts anderes übrig, als uns anzugreifen. Er hätte seinen Krieg mit England niemals beenden können.“... Er machte damit England und die Politik Winston Churchills für die Eskalation des Weltkriegs in den Jahren 1939 bis 1941 direkt verantwortlich. Molotow ging allerdings nicht soweit, seinen eigenen Beitrag zum Angriff von 1941 ebenfalls offen anzusprechen. Auch die Rote Armee stand im Sommer 1941 bereit, einen Angriff gegen den deutschen Einflußbereich zu starten... es war Molotows Verhalten in den Verhandlungen mit der deutschen Führung in Berlin, das den Bruch offensichtlich machte. Er kündigte das erst ein Jahr vorher geschlossenen Abkommens über die Grenzen der deutsch-sowjetischen Interessensphären, machte sich über die deutschen Gesprächsangebote lustig. Das ließ kaum noch Fragen offen. Konsequenterweise wies Molotow kurze Zeit nach den Berliner Verhandlungen auch die Kommunistische Internationale an, die Unterwanderung des deutschen Einflußbereichs in Europa fortzusetzen.

Translation: this is the core of the Suvorov thesis, even confirmed by Molotov: the Soviets in 1939 could virtually choose between a Molotov-Ribbentrop Non Agression Agreement and a similar one between the USSR and Britain/France. The Soviets preferred the Germans. It was the strategic genius of Stalin who lured the Germans into realizing the final reversion of Versailles, namely taking back Danzig the brutal way, by defeating the entire Polish army to achive that aim and restore the pre-1918 situation: no Poland and Germany bordering Russia again. Stalin knew that this would lead to war with Britain/France. And that was indeed the case. The idea was that Germany and the West-Europeans would weaken each other and that as such Germany would act as an 'icebreaker' for Stalin, enabling him to bring the virtues of Bolshevism to the Atlantic and North-Sea. Suvorov makes clear that the USSR was engaged in a massive build-up of offensive forces ready to go in July the 10th. It was Hitler who realized what was going on and had no choice to attack first. That is what Molotov meant.

Worin dies enden sollte, nämlich in einem Angriff nach Westen, dazu konnte ebenfalls neues Material erschlossen werden, das die konkreten Angriffsabsichten der Roten Armee im Jahr 1941 beweist: Unter anderem ein handschriftlicher Plan ihres Generalstabschefs Schukow für einen Angriff auf die deutschen Truppen in Polen, die den ohnehin bestehenden russischen Absichten zuvorzukommen drohten, wie Schukow betonte... Man plante bereits deutsche Zeitungen für die zu erwartenden Gefangenen.

New documentary material has been found since 1990, like the writings of Shukov, describing a plan to attack German forces in Poland. They were even planning German newspapers for Germans POW's.

Schließlich erwies sich die neuere Memoirenliteratur sowjetischer Diplomaten als außerordentlich interessant. Wladimir Semjonow, der es später zum sowjetischen Botschafter in Bonn bringen sollte, gab in seinen Erinnerungen ohne weiteres zu, im Sommer 1940 zur russischen Botschaft in Berlin geschickt worden zu sein, um die Sowjetisierung Deutschlands vorzubereiten.

New memoir literature like that from Vladimir Semjonov, who admitted that he was send to Germany to prepare for the Sovjetising of Germany in the summer of 1940.

Die ausführlichen Begründungen Hitlers für den deutschen Angriff, die in seiner Proklamation vom 22. Juni 1941 enthalten sind, wurden von der Forschung entweder ganz ignoriert oder als Propaganda abgetan.

So what did Hitler say to justify Barbarossa?

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n6p40_Michaels.html
This morning the Führer, through Reich Minister Dr. Goebbels, issued a proclamation to the German people in which he explains that after months-long silence he can finally speak openly to the German people about the dangerous machinations of the Jewish-Bolshevik rulers in Soviet Russia. After the German-Russian Friendship Treaty in the Autumn of 1939, he hoped for an easing of tensions with Russia. This hope, however, was crushed by Soviet Russia's extortionist demands against both Finland and the Baltic states as well as against Romania.

After the victory in Poland the Western powers rejected the Führer's proposal for an understanding because they were hoping that Soviet Russia would attack Germany. Since the Spring of 1940 Soviet troops have been deploying in ever increasing numbers along the German border, so that since August 1940 strong German forces have been tied down in the East, making any major German effort in the West impossible.

During his [November 1940] visit to Berlin, [Soviet foreign minister] Molotov posed questions regarding Romania, Finland, Bulgaria and the Dardanelles that clearly revealed that Soviet Russia intended to create trouble in eastern Europe. To be sure, the Bolshevik coup attempt against the [Romanian] government of Antonescu failed, but, with the help of the Anglo-Saxon powers [Britain and the United States], their putsch in Yugoslavia succeeded. Serbian air force officers flew to Russia and were immediately incorporated in the Army there.

With these machinations Moscow has not just broken the so-called German-Russian Friendship Treaty, it has betrayed it. In his proclamation the Führer stressed that further silence on his part would be a crime not only against Germany, but against Europe as well. On the border now stand 160 Russian divisions,[note 14] which have repeatedly violated that frontier. On June 17-18 Soviet patrols were forced back across the border only after a lengthy exchange of fire. Meanwhile, to protect Europe and defend against further Russian provocations, the greatest build-up of forces ever has been assembled against Soviet Russia. German troops stand from the Arctic Ocean to the Black Sea, allied in the north with Finnish troops and along the Bessarabian border with Romanian forces.

Back to Scheil:

Im November 1940 kündigte Außenminister Molotow wie erwähnt in Berlin das deutsch-russische Abkommen über die Interessensphären und verlangte mehr. Stalin hatte ihm aufgetragen, praktisch alles als sowjetische Interessensphäre zu beanspruchen, was überhaupt östlich Deutschlands lag, ebenfalls bis hin in die Türkei und den Iran. Im Sommer 1940 hatte Molotow bereits prophezeit, die Entscheidungsschlacht werde am Rhein stattfinden und Europa sozialistisch werden lassen.

It is clear that the Soviets expected to expand their empire westwards. And there never was a moment after September 1, 1939, that the Western Powers were afraid that they would lose:

Hitler sei fertig, „Von dem werden wir nichts mehr hören!“, so schilderte François Poncet, der frühere französische Botschafter in Berlin, die Stimmung im französischen Außenministerium kurz nach Kriegsausbruch. Gleichzeitig war der Eindruck in Washington ganz ähnlich. Der allgemeine Eindruck sei hier, Hitler sei in einen Käfig gesperrt worden, aus dem er nicht entkommen können würde, meldete der englische Botschafter Lord Lothian aus den USA. Diese Zitate umschreiben ein Gefühl absoluter Überlegenheit über das deutsche Potential, das in den Regierungszentralen der westlichen Großmächte wie auch der Sowjetunion während des Krieges niemals ganz gewichen ist. Es herrschte der Eindruck vor, daß Deutschlands Gewicht als Macht und seine Optionen zu bescheiden waren, um auf einer Ebene mit den Großmächten der Zeit mitreden zu können.

And the big winner of course was Poland (after 1990):

Aus einer endgültigen deutschen Katastrophe sollte sich für Polen der größtmögliche denkbare Gewinn ergeben: Danzig, Ostpreußen, Schlesien und Pommern.

Poland had become a large state with a virtually ethnically cleansed territory. 97% is Polish.

Never ever was there an attempt to negotiate with Germany after the British war declaration, engineered by the Americans. The Americans and Soviets smelled their chance of destroying Europe and to divide it among them and the British were the usuful idiots who enabled them. And destroying Germany was destroying Europe. Even Chamberlain admitte that he believed that German peace offers were sincere:

Premier Chamberlain glaubte daran, daß Hitler sich bemühte, wie er einige Wochen nach Kriegsbeginn in einem Privatbrief zugab: „Ich glaube, er wollte ernsthaft ein Abkommen mit uns und arbeitete ernsthaft an Vorschlägen ... die aus seiner einseitigen Sicht geradezu unfaßbar großzügig aussehen mußten.“ Dennoch zeigte Chamberlain sich entschlossen, den Krieg gegen Deutschland jetzt aufzunehmen.

And here comes the real British and French motivation:

Verursacht wurde diese Intransigenz weniger von Verbrechen des Nationalsozialismus als von einer Denkschule, die das politische Grundproblem in der deutschen Einheit sah. Gerade die besonders entschlossenen „die hards“ innerhalb der englischen Regierung wie Premier Churchill selbst oder sein diplomatischer Chefberater Robert Vansittart billigten dem Nationalsozialismus gar keine neue Qualität zu, sondern deuteten ihn als oberflächliches Phänomen, hinter dem nach ihrer Ansicht der preußische Militarismus stand. Diesem aber konnte man in dieser Vorstellungswelt nur durch Zerschlagung Deutschlands und einer Rückkehr zu den Verhältnissen vor 1864 beikommen.

They never had accepted the existence of a united Germany in the first place. Understandable maybe in 1914, but an outright idiotic attitude with the new realities of a rising America and USSR.

Scheil denies that Lebensraum played a role in German politics from 1937:

Nicht richtig ist, was oft gesagt wird, daß Hitler bei dieser Hoßbach-Besprechung am 5. November 1937 von Lebensraum in Rußland oder sonst irgendwo im „Osten“ gesprochen habe. Davon steht da kein Wort. Er hat im Gegenteil, bei dieser Gelegenheit ausgeführt, daß der Anschluß Österreichs, der damals noch nicht vollzogen war, aber in Aussicht stand, und der Anschluß Tschechiens bzw. Böhmens diesen deutschen Lebensraum für ein bis drei Generationen arrondieren werde. Er glaube, dies ohne Krieg hinzubekommen, sei aber bereit, dafür gegebenenfalls auch Gewalt anzuwenden, vielleicht Mitte der 1940er Jahre.
 
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My conclusion of the thread:

Dope is too easy to get and too cheap in the Netherlands.
 
That's your defense ? You dodge the question of the Nazi's occupation atrocities by using a massive Tu Quoque ?

Wait a minute, it is you guys who like to pretend that you were the moral characters here.

I'd also like to point out that, if the Nazis had had an atomic weapon, they would've used it, too.

Another demonization effort. Let's stick with what people really did, shall we?

So not only are you using race and nationality as a marker of worth, but post-count, as well ? Boy, I must be a litteral god to you.

I merely said this because I do not feel like repeating arguments made earlier.

Ah, yes. Presenting one's IQ is sure to convince us. Seeing how useless that number is, it's amazing that so many people try to show it off. Mine's 140+, by the way, so I must be MORE right than you.

That must have been the IQ-test from the Ghana Times, right?
 
*snork* If your lovers hadn't run the Jews out of Germany and the biggest slimeballs of the current epoch had got the bomb first you'd be the cheerleader of the "Duke Nuke'm" school. Twofaced much?

That's your assumption.

Ever wondered why almost every nation at some point has thrown out the Jews? Egypt, France, Britain, Spain, Germany...

http://www.aztlan.net/jewexpulsions.htm

Could it be that it has something to do with the Jews themselves?
Could it be that it has something to with their behavior and their supremacist 'religion', where everybody is seen as cattle ('goyim') that deserve to be subjugated by them?

Rethorical.
 
... and because of this RedWorm decides that the most brutal weapon of all (typically invented by the Jews, only they are able to put so much misery in a cubic meter) can be merrily used, making himself even more brutal.

But that logic probably escapes RedWorm.



Really? I used the atomic bomb? Despite being 50% Czech and 50% German?

The nazis not being brutal? Really? Despite the fact that the nazis were working on the bomb, just never got around to finalizing it because of the retard in power? Despite the V1 and V2 program? Despite the institutionalized starvation, torture, and murder of people who were no threat to anyone? Remember, at the hands of the nazis, some 11 million people were systematically worked to death, starved to death, shot to death, and gassed to death over the course of the war. No amount of your deliberate ignorance, handwaving, word salad, or outright lying will ever change that.
 
I'm curious as to what Jews have done to you 9/11. Nobody who is happy and content with their place in life retreats this far into a fantasy existence. Nobody who doesn't feel wronged somehow retreats into this particular fantasy. Whatever issues you have you should probably take a moment of introspection and determine how your decisions, actions and inactions brought you to the point where you need a scapegoat this badly.

You're probably going to say that I'm misreading you or something but get a grip. No one this detached from reality comes home from a great job to a nice house in the suburbs, a loving wife, 2.3 kids and a golden retriever. Whatever your problem is you'd find figuring out how you got your self into it a far more productive use of energy than retreating into your fake little world.
 
You can read about the Roosevelt administration's efforts to enlist Walt Disney to generate pro-war propaganda in the early forties, and Disney's resistance to these efforts, here ...

http://www.rense.com/general91/walt.htm

From the article ....

'On December 8th, 1941 the Army seized Disney studios claiming that they had to use it as a 'defense station' to protect Lockheed which was nearby. Disney's studio was the only one seized by the government. His studio and production facilities sequestered by the government, Disney was now without a job. The next step in the plot against Disney was when the Naval Bureau of Aeronautics contacted him and offered him $80,000 to make twenty animated training films. The anti-Disney move was evidently orchestrated by Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau.

According to Disney he had been forced to 'accept that Jew' Morgenthau, and was being forced by circumstances to be used by Morgenthau "...to deliver political propaganda films that cashed in on the popularity of that all American mouse Mickey..." Disney referred to his cartoon characters as captives who were forced to perform for the Stromboli-like Morgenthau." '
 
Despite the institutionalized starvation, torture, and murder of people who were no threat to anyone? Remember, at the hands of the nazis, some 11 million people were systematically worked to death, starved to death, shot to death, and gassed to death over the course of the war. No amount of your deliberate ignorance, handwaving, word salad, or outright lying will ever change that.

Yes indeed, that is the truth as established by our city nuking American and mass raping Soviet dogooders. That the holocaust happened becomes directly obvious from watching this picture.

Rows of bodies of dead inmates fill the yard of Lager Nordhausen, a Gestapo concentration camp. This photo shows less than half of the bodies of the several hundred inmates who died of starvation or were shot by Gestapo men.

Thankfully we have photos like these to show the world what really happened!

In fact, however, M. Broszat and others have determined that these dead concentration camp inmates were victims of an Allied air raid. Until 10 years ago this picture was regurarly used for allied propaganda purposes.
 
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Transscript of this speech (starting 1:30):

*rest of post snipped for brevity*


All of that you posted, as far as I can tell, has NOTHING to do with what I posted: that Hitler had commanded his generals to prepare plans for invading Russian nearly a year before Germany actually did so. I even named the German officers who stated that uptopic.

So Germany was preparing to invade Russia nearly a year before it actually did, at a time when it was fighting (and not winning) in the skies over England. I guess that means Russia was preparing to invade Germany more than a year before Germany launched Barbarossa?

I notice too you have yet to offer any rebuttals to the two other pieces of German military stupidity I gave earlier. Or do you think Göring was a brilliant commander of the Luftwaffe?
 
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