Who started both World Wars?

[TheRedWorm]

Both, being the sadists that they are.

Right so the nazis, who deliberately starved and beat and tortured civilians weren't? Remember what I said about lying, handwaving, word salad, and deliberate ignorance; none of that will change the brutality of the nazis.

 

[MG1962]

What???? You want to maintain that the USSR was about to invade Europe in July 1941 in order to 'liberate' the French and the Dutch, or what?

Is that what I said - However seeing Hitler had liberated Europe, why couldn't Stalin do it

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Who's on dart gun duty today, please? We need a bit of help in this thread.

 

[332nd]

Who's on dart gun duty today, please? We need a bit of help in this thread.

I got it. 9/11 Investigator? Your time is long past. Just ask my wife.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I sometimes have a hard time deciding which motivates you more: your rabid anti-Semitism or your rabid anti-Americanism or your rabid anti-Angloism.

I sympathize with your problem, I have the same.

I guess I'll just remind you again that it was the North American cousins of the British who saved your country from German occupation and relieved your nation and its people from the grip of mass starvation. A starvation caused by the object of your affection, Nazi Germany. It's amazing how you manage to avoid that... you have Orwellian doublethink down to a science.

The Allies put Europe on fire in 1918 in Versailles and now we should be thankful that the arsonist comes along to extinguish the fire. Wonderful.

It was my mother who experienced the 'hongerwinter' herself, but that starvation was a consequence of the war, not the occupation. In fact, after the Germans took over in 1940 life continued almost unchanged. So let's sum it up, here is my hierarchy of preferences:

1) Holland for the Dutch (pre 1940)
2) Holland under German occupation (1940-1943)
3) Holland under Jewish/American 'aegis' imposing multiculturalism, meaning the Dutch becoming a minority in it's own land.

Why the hell should I be thankful for that sort of 'liberation'? You are the worst lot. I prefer Nazi's (2) any time over you (3).

And again, you had no intention of liberating us at all. You destroyed us, preplanned. When the Nazis started removing the Jews from power and later from society, the Jews in Washington got alarmed and started plotting for war against Germany ever since. At the same time the Soviets were preparing for exactly the same thing from the east. Two power centers aspiring for world domination, the Soviets with a Jewish invented ideology (but with the Jews themselves gradually being removed from positions of power) and the Jews in America who controll the joint until today.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Right so the nazis, who deliberately starved and beat and tortured civilians weren't? Remember what I said about lying, handwaving, word salad, and deliberate ignorance; none of that will change the brutality of the nazis.

... and because of this RedWorm decides that the most brutal weapon of all (typically invented by the Jews, only they are able to put so much misery in a cubic meter) can be merrily used, making himself even more brutal.

But that logic probably escapes RedWorm.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

... and because of this RedWorm decides that the most brutal weapon of all (typically invented by the Jews, only they are able to put so much misery in a cubic meter) can be merrily used, making himself even more brutal.

*snork* If your lovers hadn't run the Jews out of Germany and the biggest slimeballs of the current epoch had got the bomb first you'd be the cheerleader of the "Duke Nuke'm" school. Twofaced much?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Once again the Far East doesn't enter into the War. USA and Britain were fighting there at the same time they were in Africa and Europe.

 

[CptColumbo]

Once again the Far East doesn't enter into the War. USA and Britain were fighting there at the same time they were in Africa and Europe.

Because it's really hard to find a joo in Japan.

Very few kosher places in Tokyo in the late 30s and early 40s. They also have many dishes with pork.

I did find a real nice kosher place and an orthodox reading room in my hotel in Hawaii earlier this year. I tried to imagine wearing those heavy coats in Hawaii and busrt into flame.

 

[aggle-rithm]

The Allies put Europe on fire in 1918 in Versailles and now we should be thankful that the arsonist comes along to extinguish the fire. Wonderful.

If the Treaty of Versailles was worth going to war over, then why did Germany sign it?

Don't tell me they were beaten and did it under duress. The Allies never even crossed the Rhein. The Germans gave up before they were defeated, and AGREED to the harsh conditions of the Treaty when they didn't have to.

How is that the fault of innocent civilains a generation later? They bore the brunt of Nazi aggression.

 

[aggle-rithm]

And again, you had no intention of liberating us at all. You destroyed us, preplanned. When the Nazis started removing the Jews from power and later from society, the Jews in Washington got alarmed and started plotting for war against Germany ever since.

The Jews in Washington? Oh, you mean the secretary of the Treasury, ONE of the nine supreme court justices, and some of Roosevelt's personal friends?

Maybe you're right. Maybe they did plot for war. However, since they had zero influence on American foreign policy, I doubt anyone took notice of their plot.

 

[aggle-rithm]

... and because of this RedWorm decides that the most brutal weapon of all (typically invented by the Jews, only they are able to put so much misery in a cubic meter) can be merrily used, making himself even more brutal.

Are you speaking of the atomic bomb? That same atomic bomb that the Germans were desperately trying to develop themselves?

You're saying that the nation that SUCCEEDED in developing it was brutal, while the one that tried and failed took the moral high road by virtue of that failure?

 

[aggle-rithm]

I think this is hubris; Americans are worthless as soldiers, they get their asses kicked even by Vietnamese, Afghans, Somalis, you name it.

American soldiers certainly had their difficulties with these people. Too bad they didn't have the advantage of the Nazis, who could indescriminately slaughter civilians in pursuit of their goals.

Because of Barbarossa the invasion of entire Europe was prevented and the western half of Europe was occupied by the lesser evil, America. Without Barbarosa The Netherlands had been under Bolshevik rule, maybe even today. That is the new knowledge.

This was the premise of "Command and Conquer"...a computer game, not history. I can see how you might find it confusing.

Essentially they involved Danzig [Gdansk] and a connecting link between the torn-away province of East Prussia and the rest of the Reich. Of much greater concern were the brutal persecutions of the Germans in Poland.

Cry me a freaking river.

Hitler correctly identifies the US 'power structure'. Today it is even worse then in 1941. Then it was 'only' a grip on the presidency, now they have Congress in an iron grip as well.

You're not American, so I can understand why you don't understand our power structure here. Let me explain: The Secretary of the Treasury does not call the shots. Also, even if EVERY member of the Supreme Court were Jews, rather than just one, then they would still not have an iron grip on the other two branches of government, since we have a thing called "checks and balances" over here.

But thanks for trying to "enlighten" me about how my own government works. I appreciate the sentiment.

Hitler knows that he is provoked into war.

If you can't trust a brutal, homicidal dictator with a proven track record of lying to get his way, whom can you trust?

 

[Amazer]

I sympathize with your problem, I have the same.



The Allies put Europe on fire in 1918 in Versailles and now we should be thankful that the arsonist comes along to extinguish the fire. Wonderful.

It was my mother who experienced the 'hongerwinter' herself, but that starvation was a consequence of the war, not the occupation. In fact, after the Germans took over in 1940 life continued almost unchanged. So let's sum it up, here is my hierarchy of preferences:

1) Holland for the Dutch (pre 1940)
2) Holland under German occupation (1940-1943)
3) Holland under Jewish/American 'aegis' imposing multiculturalism, meaning the Dutch becoming a minority in it's own land.

Why the hell should I be thankful for that sort of 'liberation'? You are the worst lot. I prefer Nazi's (2) any time over you (3).

And again, you had no intention of liberating us at all. You destroyed us, preplanned. When the Nazis started removing the Jews from power and later from society, the Jews in Washington got alarmed and started plotting for war against Germany ever since. At the same time the Soviets were preparing for exactly the same thing from the east. Two power centers aspiring for world domination, the Soviets with a Jewish invented ideology (but with the Jews themselves gradually being removed from positions of power) and the Jews in America who controll the joint until today.

Just reading this garbage, one image springs to mind...

Middle aged man, never married, living with his parents, not employed.

 

[Corsair 115]

I sympathize with your problem, I have the same.

So you're admitting that you are motivated by anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism and anti-Angloism?

It was my mother who experienced the 'hongerwinter' herself, but that starvation was a consequence of the war, not the occupation.

The sort of mental contortions and Orwellian doublethink required to state the bolded is truly remarkable.

Do tell me: why did the Germans invade and occupy Holland? Why the hell should I be thankful for that sort of 'liberation'? You are the worst lot.

So, repeating something I first said much earlier in this thread, on the day on which Holland's liberation is celebrated, do you stand on the side and spit on the Allied veterans participating in the parades? You might as well, given what you've said in this thread.

And again, you had no intention of liberating us at all. You destroyed us, preplanned.

I guess we should have left you to starve under German occupation, seeing as it was the utopia you seem to think it was.

And to think of all the newsreel footage which shows the Dutch population rejoicing in the streets as Allied troops liberated them. Why were they celebrating if liberation was so awful? Got an explanation for that? Why to this day are Allied troops remembered and venerated for liberating the country? Why would Dutch people do this if Nazi occupation was so wonderful? Care to explain? Better yet, why are you so incredibly out-of-step with the rest of your country? I guess it's never crossed your mind that it is you who are woefully mistaken and misinformed... no, it must be everyone else in your country and everyone else in the world who's wrong.

Yup, no hubris there.

 

[Craig4]

You say your destruction was pre planned. Can you provide evidence of this? If there was a plan I presume you are in possession of documentation of this plan.

As for what Jews did or did not do in controlling Roosevelt (or anyone else) I'd love to see proof of this as well.

What evidence exists for these claims? Provide that or you're just another crank on a rant.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You say your destruction was pre planned. Can you provide evidence of this? If there was a plan I presume you are in possession of documentation of this plan.

As for what Jews did or did not do in controlling Roosevelt (or anyone else) I'd love to see proof of this as well.

What evidence exists for these claims? Provide that or you're just another crank on a rant.

I see you have only 8 posts under your belt. Why don't start reading this thread?

I said that the war was preplanned, here is the proof:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

Read statements from Chamberlain (in that link and discussed in this thread) about Jews pushing him into the war declaration.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So you're admitting that you are motivated by anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism and anti-Angloism?

On the government/politics level yes. In my very cosmopolitan career I have worked with many Germans, Brits and Americans and overall it was a pleasant experience. So let's keep it in perspective, shall we. And this anti-xism is fueled by what I now understand really happened during the 20th century. And I see that it is one big pack of self-serving Anglo/Jewish lies (Versailles, 'good war', H-word, Germans wanting to conquer ze wurld, constant downplaying of the endless criminality of your precious allie the Soviets, 9/11 as a self-inflicted wound to justify a global coup d'etat).

So, repeating something I first said much earlier in this thread, on the day on which Holland's liberation is celebrated, do you stand on the side and spit on the Allied veterans participating in the parades? You might as well, given what you've said in this thread.

No I do not. I gave up watching these 'keep them rolling' events long ago. My last fully traditional pro-Allied feeling was in 1995 on the occasion of the 50 year commemoration of the end of WW2, when I went to Normandy for a week and visit the beaches, even Nouvion! Took the ferry to Dover to visit the war time tunnels, where they even had mimicked the sounds of the wounded soldiers and the smell of desinfectants.

But then came the internet and between 1996-2001 slowly everything changed.

I guess we should have left you to starve under German occupation, seeing as it was the utopia you seem to think it was.

As I told you, there was no starvation before 1944, as much as you hoped that there was. Life was virtual unchanged after the invasion (if you were not Jewish).

And to think of all the newsreel footage which shows the Dutch population rejoicing in the streets as Allied troops liberated them. Why were they celebrating if liberation was so awful? Got an explanation for that?

I would have cheered as well had I been a young fellow in those days. But now it is 2010 and here we are not interested in judging the defeat of the Germans, we are discussing what happened before that. And now I see that the war was forced upon the Germans by the Jews, Anglos and Soviets. And again, I am not going to thank the arsonists for extinguishing the fire in our house.

Why to this day are Allied troops remembered and venerated for liberating the country? Why would Dutch people do this if Nazi occupation was so wonderful? Care to explain?

In 1945, most Dutch people, like the Belgians and French did not have the overview of the complete situation. They just noticed that the occupiers had gone and that the new Anglo occupation is less visible and that the consequences of the new occupation (multiculturalism) are in the distant future.

But that distant future is now. And this is the new sentiment about the 'liberation' everywhere in Europe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

Sure, thanks to you guys the Germans are gone but now, again thanks to you, we are being overrun by Muslims and other 3rd world invaders, because of the NWO ideology you (or rather your Jewish overlords) have imposed on us, using you as a proxy. You know what, I prefer a German Nazi any time over a muslim. Best of all of course is that the whole lot of Muslims, Nazi's and Anglos are sent packing, but it looks like that the alternative was Nazi's and third world invaders.

Better yet, why are you so incredibly out-of-step with the rest of your country? I guess it's never crossed your mind that it is you who are woefully mistaken and misinformed... no, it must be everyone else in your country and everyone else in the world who's wrong.

I have an academically trained mind, with an IQ of 130+, living abroad a lot, foreign married, often from home spending free evening hours in a hotel room reading articles from the internet... so I am 'out-of-step' because of precisely these reasons. But I regard myself as an early bird, not as an abnormality. Just that you know what is coming in a couple of years.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Just reading this garbage, one image springs to mind...

Middle aged man, never married, living with his parents, not employed.

Oh my, I have been unmasked. I am middle aged indeed.

 

[9/11-investigator]

American soldiers certainly had their difficulties with these people. Too bad they didn't have the advantage of the Nazis, who could indescriminately slaughter civilians in pursuit of their goals.

You seem to have a very dimm view of what happened in Vietnam.

You're not American, so I can understand why you don't understand our power structure here.

You don't have to be overrun by a truck to know that you should avoid such an event. We have been reading Justin Raimondo since 9/11 and more recently Mearsheimer and Walt and Kevin MacDonald and a plethora of other internet sources so we can avoid having to read David Duke.

Let me explain: The Secretary of the Treasury does not call the shots. Also, even if EVERY member of the Supreme Court were Jews, rather than just one, then they would still not have an iron grip on the other two branches of government, since we have a thing called "checks and balances" over here.

J-power is based on media control and financing both parties of the political system, the H-word and the domination of public discourse via the works of the Frankfurter Schule.

If you can't trust a brutal, homicidal dictator with a proven track record of lying to get his way, whom can you trust?

The lying started with the treason and deception of Germany by the Allies in 1918. The Allies were far more homicidal than the Germans. The H-word very likely is an Allied invention.