Who started both World Wars?

Status
Not open for further replies.
It was Hull who answered the Japanese negotiators the same day that the Japanese should withdraw all troops from entire China, including Manchuria, recognition of the Chiang-Kai-shek regime and public cancelling Tripartite Pact. This was unacceptable for Japan. Everybody understood war was now immanent (6:10). Next day Stimson called Hull, who literally said that from now on it was a matter of navy and army.

I once knew a guy who lived in a house with several male roommates. He constantly complained about their poor commitment to housekeeping; they never vacuumed, they only did dishes if there was nothing to eat on, etc. I pointed out to him that he was exceptional: A man who cared about housekeeping. Most men aren't like him.

There's something you should know as well: Most people don't find it acceptable to invade other countries and slaughter the people living there. Most people think that responding to such aggression with diplomatic or economic pressure is more than reasonable.

Very few people think that failing to cave in to the aggression of a bully is socially unnacceptable, as you do.
 
Can we please get back to making the list of giant military blunders of Germany during WWII? It'd put the final nail in the coffin of our intrepid investigator's claim upstream where he said the Germans (in regard to military matters) weren't stupid.

Halting the assault on Dunkirk? Stupid. Really stupid.

There never was a miracle of Dunkirk (original Dutch name: Duinkerken, stolen by Lou14, aided by Charlie2). He did that on purpose and took a risk by doing so. He wanted to give the Brits the chance to escape because he still hoped for a peace with Britain. In Hitler's view Britain could rule it's empire and the sees while Germany would de facto be the dominant force on the continent (as it is today, anyway). The flight of Hess was a last attempt to establish that desired peace that would have been entirely in the British interest. But instead the British government bowed for pressure exerted by the American government and the traitorous behavior of the Fat Hooligan. And thus the British were responsible for enabling the American and Soviet enemies to stream into Europe and destroy Europe and terminate the European Era 1492-1945.

That's what happened.

But you're right, Hitler's admiration for the British was a weakness, these little islanders would never return the favour. Destroying us Europeans and inviting Soviet and American savages in, somehow was more advantageous for them, in their view at least, losing their empire in the process, without necessity. Maybe, someday they will explain to us why they did that. But don't for a moment think that they have changed their attitude. Their adagium is, if you can't beat them, join them... only to attempt to destroy Europe from within. Look at the behavior of that Jew Cameron: doubling efforts of getting Turkey in, in order to destroy the EU through mass immigration. My real hero, Charles de Gaulle was right when he attempted to keep these absolute b**** out of Europe. He failed.

At a news conference at the Elysee Palace in Paris, attended by more than 1,000 diplomats, civil servants and ministers as well as journalists, General de Gaulle accused Britain of a "deep-seated hostility" towards European construction.

So very true.

The lesson for the future is: if it speaks English, keep it at a distance.

Again, without Britain (Scotish and Welsh are welcome though and should be encouraged to gain independence from England), the EU has 440 million inhabitants, together with the Slave world that's nearly 700 million, more than enough geostrategic weight to become the dominant force on this planet, after Anglosphere is smashed through suicide, the US first. No necessity for violence. That would only play in the hands of those ruling Washington. Simply pretend we like them and wait until it falls flat on it's face financially, or until the Jews decide to smash the US against Iran, or even better: China.
 
Last edited:
If Hitler wasn't so retarded, the allies might have lost.

Explain to me where he was 'retarded'?
He had won if he had captured Moscow.
He was 50 km away from saving Europe from the Anglo/Soviet monsters.
That's the new explanation and you have nothing to say against it.

Yes you won in 1945, RedWorm (what's in a name), but you are now on your own in a very hostile world, hostile against you.
 
Last edited:
I see our intrepid 9/11 investigator has already tried to justify the first example of Hitler's and the Reich's military blunders; that's okay, there are plenty more examples from which to choose.


Ordering German fighters to stay close to the bombers during the Battle of Britain? Stupid.

Putting Göring in charge of the Luftwaffe? Stupid. Really, really stupid.

Had someone like Adolf Galland been in command of the Luftwaffe instead of Göring, the battle for air superiority over the skies of Europe would have been a much longer, tougher, and more costly fight than it actually was. But fortunately for the Allies, rather than put a very qualified and competent Galland in charge of the Luftwaffe, Hitler put an unqualified and incompetent Göring in charge.

I challenge you to defend those decisions!


If Hitler wasn't so retarded, the allies might have lost.


No, Germany would still have lost. But it would have taken longer and been more costly than it was historically.
 
Last edited:
Well, he didn't now did he? In fact, late in the war it was concluded by the allies that killing him before the wars end would be a bad idea, in that someone who knew what the hell they were doing might take over.

But if you want a specific example of him being a retard, how about delaying re-enforcements to Normandy because he was convinced that the attack would come at the Pas de Calais?
 
..snip...
No, Germany would still have lost. But it would have taken longer and been more costly than it was historically.


Obviously there is no way to go into the past, but I'm thinking that maybe a non-retard leader would have not tried to attack the Russians, a virtual death sentence.
 
Annoted version of parts of the declaration of war of Germany against the US.

Germany’s Declaration of War Against the United States

Hitler’s Reichstag Speech of December 11, 1941

Here quotes from the war declaration of Hitler against the USA, december 11, 1941, 4 days after Pearl Harbor.

Here Hitler in a speech of 88 (:D) minutes explains in details why he went to war against Poland, the USA and USSR.

After the repeated rejection of my peace proposal in 1940 by the British prime minister [Winston Churchill] and the clique that supports and controls him, it was clear by the fall of that year that this war would have to be fought through to the end, contrary to all logic and necessity.

We already have seen that this was true. A detailed account of these negotiations can be found here as testified by Dahlerus in Nuremberg:

It is not very difficult to understand what Hitler meant with 'the clique that supports and controls him [Churchill]'.

If Providence has deemed that the German people are not to be spared this struggle, then I am thankful that She has entrusted me with the leadership in a historic conflict that will be decisive in determining the next five hundred or one thousand years, not only of our German history, but also of the history of Europe and even of the entire world.

I think that Dolfie is overestimating himself a bit; after all, the USSR imploded as a consequence of their egalitarian ‘value system’ and imperial overstretch; exactly the same thing is going to happen to the US and the rest of Anglosphere in this decade. Today another subtle indication that Australia is in the process of being taken over by China. These fools are trading their valuable minerals against worthless green pieces of paper called 'dollars'.

The white race, constituting 30% of the world’s population in 1900, will be reduced to 5-8% in this century (and being older on average than the rest), meaning that we can’t hold the land we currently do. Zimbabwe is gone, South-Africa will go the same path, Australia and America are next. Consequence: Australia goes to China, Britain to Islam, America balkanized, white core in North-East. The survival of the White Race will be organized on a radical new value system in the old European lands between Atlantic and Ural. Selected people from Anglosphere can be used to repopulate Siberia ('Wild East').

From Kirkenes [in northern Norway] to the Spanish frontier stretches the most extensive belt of great defense installations and fortresses. Countless air fields have been built, including some in the far north that were blasted out of granite.

It is obvious that Hitler anticipates an invasion organized from Britain.

Compelled by bitter necessity, I decided in the fall of 1939 to at least try to create the prerequisite conditions for a general peace by eliminating the acute tension between Germany and Soviet Russia [with the German-Soviet non-aggression pact of August 23, 1939]. This was psychologically difficult because of the basic attitude toward Bolshevism of the German people and, above all, of the [National Socialist] Party.

Hitler confides that he hated to have an alliance with his ideological enemy.

All the same, the countries involved realized very quickly -- which was unfortunate for the German Reich as well -- that the best and strongest guarantee against the [Soviet] threat from the East was Germany. When those countries, on their own initiative, cut their ties with the German Reich and instead put their trust in promises of aid from a power [Britain] that, in its proverbial egotism, has for centuries never given help but has always demanded it, they were thereby lost.

That turned out to be all too prophetic. Britain was pushed by the Roosevelt government (read Jews) to declare war on Germany in 1939, ostensibly because of Poland. But Anglosphere (Jews) had no problem whatsoever to give away all of Eastern Europe to Stalin in Yalta. The real reason behind the war was the Anglo (read Jewish) wish to destroy Germany, the last obstacle towards world domination for the Jews by means of their Anglo proxy.

Here are the 3 enemies of European civilization in a cozy get-together, dividing the corps of Europe between themselves.

Look how pleased they are with themselves. Stalin, the mass murderer of millions, the fat sadist Churchill, dreaming of drowning Germany in antrax and poison gas

…and Roosevelt (of Dutch Jewish descent), plotting for the destruction of Europe as early as 1933. And to top it off they invented the holcoaust in Nuremberg to instill European men with a guilt complex from Paris to Tokyo. They can be satisfied, mission accomplished. For more than half a century. But now in 2010, the USSR is gone, the USA about to implode and what is left is Britain. If there is one pest hole that deserves a Sonderbehandlung, than it is Britain. But I digress…


Already in 1940 it became increasingly clear from month to month that the plans of the men in the Kremlin were aimed at the domination, and thus the destruction, of all of Europe. I have already told the nation of the build-up of Soviet Russian military power in the East during a period when Germany had only a few divisions in the provinces bordering Soviet Russia. Only a blind person could fail to see that a military build-up of unique world-historical dimensions was being carried out… The quick conclusion of the campaign in the West [May-June 1940] meant that those in power in Moscow were not able to count on the immediate exhaustion of the German Reich. However, they did not change their plans at all, but only postponed the timing of their attack. The summer of 1941 seemed like the ideal moment to strike.

This is exactly what Suvorov says. Hitler the nationalist had no business in the Ural mountains, the Soviets however had an agenda of world proletarian revolution (designed by the Jew Karl Marx).

A new Mongol invasion was ready to pour across Europe.

Think of what general Patton thought when he had to go to all these US-SU cocktail parties:

In a letter to his wife, he confessed: "Berlin gave me the blues. We have destroyed what could have been a good race and we [are] about to replace them with Mongolian savages." And in another letter, Patton admitted: "The stuff in the papers about fraternization is all wet... All that sort of writing is done by Jews to get revenge. Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe... I prefer the Germans.


Patton was very likely 'suicided' by Eisenhower, the 'Swedish kike', as he was nicked at West Point for his resistance to take revenge on the Germans.

To be fair to the Brits, there was Montgomery, who thought the same as Patton (and very unlike Churchill, who called the shots)

Patton and Montgomery considered the Soviets to be a serious menace. Both felt it best to carry the war into Russia in 1945, while the Anglo-American ground and air forces were mobilized and on the Continent, rather than wait for some crisis to emerge in the future. Patton was confident that he could be in Moscow within months.

I think this is hubris; Americans are worthless as soldiers, they get their asses kicked even by Vietnamese, Afghans, Somalis, you name it. If the Germans could not beat the Russians, than the Americans certainly could not. Poor Jews, they want to control the world with this hopeless material :D (but they still have their nukes)

Back to Dolfie…

In a cowardly way, he [Churchill] now tries to deny that during a secret meeting in the British House of Commons in 1940 he said that an important factor for the successful continuation and conclusion of this war would be the Soviet entry into the war, which would come during 1941 at the latest, and which would also make it possible for Britain to take the offensive.

I would be interested to see confirmation of this. Would not surprise me though.

What is Europe, my deputies? There is no geographical definition of our continent, but only an ethnic-national [volkliche] and cultural one. The frontier of this continent is not the Ural mountains, but rather the line that divides the Western outlook on life from that of the East.

I respectfully disagree. That might have been true until 1990, but Europe is potentially White Christianity in Eurasia, that’s Amsterdam to Wladiwostok. Russia for centuries has been working towards Europeanization. Peter the Great as one of the finest examples. He lived for a long time in the Netherlands to learn. And boy did he use his knowledge in Russia for the better!

Back to Hitler:

Just as Rome once made her immortal contribution to the building and defense of the continent, so now have the Germanic peoples taken up the defense and protection of a family of nations which, although they may differ and diverge in their political structure and goals, nevertheless together constitute a racially and culturally unified and complementary whole.

Uhmmm, where is the ’Deutschland ueber Alles’ if I may ask? He praises the Greeks, the Romans. Where are the references to the ‘Herrenvolk’? Hitler sees himself as the protector of European nations against the Soviet hordes. Is there anybody, apart from the Eurotrash we are not going to name here, who wants to defend the case of the Soviets? Is this not how we need to see Hitler? And that he failed because of the treason by the British by not resisting American (read: Jewish) demands that the British should declare war on Germany?

The achievements of the German armed forces in this campaign were honored in the German Reichstag on May 4, 1941. At that time, though, I was not able to reveal that we were very quickly approaching a confrontation with a state [Soviet Russia] that did not attack at the time of the campaign in the Balkans only because its military build-up was not yet complete…

More Suvurov.

When I became aware of the possibility of a threat to the east of the Reich in 1940 through [secret] reports from the British House of Commons and by observations of Soviet Russian troop movements on our frontiers…

Any conformation for this?

We realized very clearly that under no circumstances could we allow the enemy the opportunity to strike first into our heart. Nevertheless, in this case the decision [to attack Soviet Russia] was a very difficult one… I have not sought war. To the contrary, I have done everything to avoid conflict. But I would forget my duty and my conscience if I were to do nothing in spite of the realization that a conflict had become unavoidable. Because I regarded Soviet Russia as the gravest danger not only for the German Reich but for all of Europe, I decided, if possible, to give the order myself to attack a few days before the outbreak of this conflict.

Lebensraum, anyone?

A truly impressive amount of authentic material is now available which confirms that a Soviet Russian attack was intended. We are also sure about when this attack was to take place. In view of this danger, the extent of which we are perhaps only now truly aware, I can only thank the Lord God that He enlightened me in time, and has given me the strength to do what must be done. Millions of German soldiers may thank Him for their lives, and all of Europe for its existence.

I may say this today: If this wave of more than 20,000 tanks, hundreds of divisions, tens of thousands of artillery pieces, along with more than 10,000 airplanes, had not been kept from being set into motion against the Reich, Europe would have been lost.

In between writing this I am watching the fascinating DVD (in german) about Suvurov, to be bought via amazon.de

(There are other ways to have the documentary on your PC in a few minutes per ‘special delivery’). It shows Suvurov, who is living in Britain under false identity and disguised in order to avoid KGB carrying out a death sentence. Fascinating what he has to say.

If the German Reich, with its soldiers and weapons, had not stood against this opponent, a storm would have burned over Europe that would have eliminated, once and for all time, and in all its intellectual paucity and traditional stupidity, the laughable British idea of the European balance of power.

Because of Barbarossa the invasion of entire Europe was prevented and the western half of Europe was occupied by the lesser evil, America. Without Barbarosa The Netherlands had been under Bolshevik rule, maybe even today. That is the new knowledge.

As of December 1, the total number of captured Soviet Russian prisoners was 3,806,865. The number of destroyed or captured tanks was 21,391, of artillery pieces 32,541, and of airplanes 17,322.

In only 6 months time, not bad at all.

Now we come to the other war, pushed for by the Americans:

And now let me speak about another world, one that is represented by a man [President Franklin Roosevelt] who likes to chat nicely at the fireside while nations and their soldiers fight in snow and ice: above all, the man who is primarily responsible for this war.

When the nationality problem in the former Polish state was growing ever more intolerable in 1939, I attempted to eliminate the unendurable conditions by means of a just agreement. For a certain time it seemed as if the Polish government was seriously considering giving its approval to a reasonable solution… You will recall the dramatic events of that period -- the steadily increasing numbers of victims among the ethnic Germans [in Poland]. You, my deputies, are best qualified to compare this loss of life with that of the present war. The military campaign in the East has so far cost the entire German armed forces about 160,000 deaths, whereas during just a few months of peace [in 1939] more than 62,000 ethnic Germans were killed, including some who were horribly tortured.

Real reason for invasion Poland:

Essentially they involved Danzig [Gdansk] and a connecting link between the torn-away province of East Prussia and the rest of the Reich. Of much greater concern were the brutal persecutions of the Germans in Poland. In addition, the other minority population groups [notably the Ukrainians] were subject to a fate that was no less severe.

Follows a detailed description of the peace proposals made by Germany on August 29, 1939:

During those days in August [1939], when the Polish attitude steadily hardened, thanks to Britain's blank check of unlimited backing, the German Reich was moved to make one final proposal. We were prepared to enter into negotiations with Poland on the basis of this proposal, and we verbally informed the British ambassador of the proposal text. Today I would like to recall that proposal and review it with you.
[Text of the German proposal of August 29, 1939:]

Follows a 16 point proposal…

The former Polish government refused to respond to these proposals in any way.

And then we have it:

A look at the documents of the [Polish] Foreign Ministry in Warsaw later provided the surprising explanation. They told of the role of a man [President Roosevelt] who, with diabolical lack of principle, used all of his influence to strengthen Poland's resistance and to prevent any possibility of understanding. These reports were sent by the former Polish ambassador in Washington, Count [Jerzy] Potocki, to his government in Warsaw. These documents clearly and shockingly reveal the extent to which one man and the powers behind him are responsible for the Second World War.

Hitler’s explanation of who was behind Versailles and what the consequences were for Germany:

It is a fact that the two historical conflicts between Germany and the United States were stimulated by two Americans, that is, by Presidents Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt, although each was inspired by the same forces. History itself has rendered its verdict on Wilson. His name will always be associated with the most base betrayal in history of a pledge [notably, Wilson's “14 points”]. The result was the ruin of national life, not only in the so-called vanquished countries, but among the victors as well. Because of this broken pledge, which alone made possible the imposed Treaty of Versailles [1919], countries were torn apart, cultures were destroyed and the economic life of all was ruined. Today we know that a group of self-serving financiers stood behind Wilson. They used this paralytic professor to lead America into a war from which they hoped to profit. The German nation once believed this man, and had to pay for this trust with political and economic ruin.

We don’t have to think long as to what Hitler meant with 'inspired by the same forces'.

Then follows a long expose about the different backgrounds and career paths of Roosevelt and Hitler.

The circle of Jews around Roosevelt encouraged him in this. With Old Testament vindictiveness they regarded the United States as the instrument that they and he could use to prepare a second Purim [slaughter of enemies] against the nations of Europe, which were increasingly anti-Jewish. So it was that the Jews, in all of their satanic baseness, gathered around this man, and he relied on them.

Hitler correctly identifies the US 'power structure'. Today it is even worse then in 1941. Then it was 'only' a grip on the presidency, now they have Congress in an iron grip as well.

His [Roosevelt’s] actions against the German Reich in this regard have been particularly blunt. Starting in 1937, he began a series of speeches, including a particularly contemptible one on October 5, 1937, in Chicago, with which this man systematically incited the American public against Germany . He threatened to establish a kind of quarantine against the so-called authoritarian countries. As part of this steady and growing campaign of hate and incitement, President Roosevelt made another insulting statement [on Nov. 15, 1938] and then called the American ambassador in Berlin back to Washington for consultations. Since then the two countries have been represented only by charges d'affaires.
Starting in November 1938, he began systematically and consciously to sabotage every possibility of a European peace policy. In public he hypocritically claimed to be interested in peace while at the same time he threatened every country that was ready to pursue a policy of peaceful understanding by blocking credits, economic reprisals, calling in loans, and so forth. In this regard, the reports of the Polish ambassadors in Washington, London, Paris and Brussels provide a shocking insight.
This man increased his campaign of incitement in January 1939. In a message [on Jan. 4, 1939] to the U.S. Congress he threatened to take every measure short of war against the authoritarian countries… In July 1940 Roosevelt began to take many new measures toward war, such as permitting the service of American citizens in the British air force and the training of British air force personnel in the United States… He moved still closer to war in September 1940 when he transferred fifty American naval destroyers to the British fleet, and in return took control of military bases on British possessions in North and Central America.
It is clear that hostilities came from the side of Roosevelt, not Hitler.

After Britain was no longer able to pay cash for American deliveries he imposed the Lend-Lease Act on the American people [in March 1941]. As President, he thereby obtained the authority to furnish lend-lease military aid to countries that he, Roosevelt, decided it was in America's vital interests to defend. After it became clear that Germany would not respond under any circumstances to his continued boorish behavior, this man took another step forward in March 1941.

Even Wikipedia admits that this ended all pretense of neutrality and that it was the USA who started hostitlities, not Germany:

Lend-Lease (Public Law 77-11)[1] was the name of the program under which the United States of America supplied the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, China, France and other Allied nations with vast amounts of war material between 1941 and 1945. It began in March 1941, over 18 months after the outbreak of the European war in September 1939, but before the U.S. entrance into the war in December 1941. It was called An Act Further to Promote the Defense of the United States. This act also ended the pretense of the neutrality of the United States.


Follows a long list of American anti-German hostile acts at see, in Bulgaria, Greece and Yugoslavia, weapons deliveries:

Starting in mid-April [1941] US naval patrols began expanded operations in the western Atlantic, reporting their observations to the British. On April 26, Roosevelt delivered twenty high speed patrol boats to Britain. At the same time, British naval ships were routinely being repaired in US ports. On May 12, Norwegian ships operating for Britain were armed and repaired [in the USA], contrary to international law. On June 4, American troop transports arrived in Greenland to build air fields. And on June 9 came the first British report that a US war ship, acting on orders of President Roosevelt, had attacked a German submarine near Greenland with depth charges.
On June 14, German assets in the United States were frozen, again in violation of international law.
On July 6 and 7 [1941], American armed forces acting on orders from Roosevelt occupied Iceland, which was in the area of German military operations. He hoped that this action would certainly, first, finally force Germany into war [against the USA] and, second, also neutralize the effectiveness of the German submarines, much as in 1915-1916. At the same time, he promised military aid to the Soviet Union.

On July 10 Navy Secretary [Frank] Knox suddenly announced that the US Navy was under orders to fire against Axis warships. On September 4 the US destroyer Greer, acting on his orders, operated together with British airplanes against German submarines in the Atlantic. Five days later, a German submarine identified US destroyers as escort vessels with a British convoy. In a speech delivered on September 11 [1941], Roosevelt at last personally confirmed that he had given the order to fire against all Axis ships, and he repeated the order.

The pattern is clear, the US was already at war with Germany. And Dolfie understands exactly what was going on between the USA and Japan:

I am sure that all of you have regarded it as an act of deliverance that a country [Japan] has finally acted to protest against all this in the very way that this man had actually hoped for, and which should not surprise him now [the attack on Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941]. After years of negotiating with this deceiver, the Japanese government finally had its fill of being treated in such a humiliating way.

And now to the core of the matter:

We know the power behind Roosevelt. It is the same eternal Jew that believes that his hour has come to impose the same fate on us that we have all seen and experienced with horror in Soviet Russia. We have gotten to know first hand the Jewish paradise on earth.

And we know that his entire effort is aimed at this goal: Even if we were not allied with Japan, we would still realize that the Jews and their Franklin Roosevelt intend to destroy one state after another.

That’s America for you, think Serbia, Iraq, Iran, the color coded revolutions in the Ukraine and other places. Any opposition towards an American (read Jewish) NWO is crushed. But they are going to fail like the USSR failed: overstretch, financial exhaustion, internal strife, to many enemies.

For our part, we will now do what this provocateur has been trying to achieve for years. And not just because we are allied with Japan, but rather because Germany and Italy with their present leaderships have the insight and strength to realize that in this historic period the existence or non-existence of nations is being determined, perhaps for all time.

Hitler knows that he is provoked into war.

President Roosevelt's plan to attack Germany and Italy with military forces in Europe by 1943 at the latest was made public in the United States [by the Chicago Tribune and several other newspapers on Dec. 4, 1941], and the American government made no effort to deny it.

Faithful to the provisions of the Tripartite Pact of September 27, 1940, German and Italy accordingly now regard themselves as finally forced to join together on the side of Japan in the struggle for the defense and preservation of the freedom and independence of our nations and realms against the United States of America and Britain.

Ever since my peace proposal of July 1940 was rejected, we have clearly realized that this struggle must be fought through to the end. We National Socialists are not at all surprised that the Anglo-American, Jewish and capitalist world is united together with Bolshevism.

Concerning the question as to whether Germany was obliged to declare war on Japan, we should consider that the USA (obviously) declared war on Japan on December 8, 1941. But the US behavior before Pearl Harbor can be considered as an act of war against Japan.
 
Last edited:
Still retarded, still lost, still shot himself in the head. None of your nonsense, deliberate ignorance, handwaving, word salad, or outright lying will ever change any of that.
 
Obviously there is no way to go into the past, but I'm thinking that maybe a non-retard leader would have not tried to attack the Russians, a virtual death sentence.


Still doesn't change the final outcome provided the U.S. enters the war against Germany. The combined production advantage of the U.S. plus Britain and its Commonwealth over Germany is too great. WWII was a vast war of attrition, so whichever side can produce the most for the longest wins.

Moreover, as long as the U.S. is the first to get to the atomic bomb, the Allies win. The atomic bomb was a war-winning weapon in and of itself.

If Germany doesn't tangle with Russia, it does mean a much longer and tougher war for the Western Allies, with, I would expect, a considerably larger focus on the aerial campaign since a successful invasion and ground campaign would have been a far more daunting prospect against a German army unhindered by the demands of the Eastern front.
 
Obviously there is no way to go into the past, but I'm thinking that maybe a non-retard leader would have not tried to attack the Russians, a virtual death sentence.

You still don't get it, do you.

The Soviets were about to invade Europe, forcing Hitler's hand. He had no choice.
 
Still doesn't change the final outcome provided the U.S. enters the war against Germany. The combined production advantage of the U.S. plus Britain and its Commonwealth over Germany is too great. WWII was a vast war of attrition, so whichever side can produce the most for the longest wins.

Moreover, as long as the U.S. is the first to get to the atomic bomb, the Allies win. The atomic bomb was a war-winning weapon in and of itself.

If Germany doesn't tangle with Russia, it does mean a much longer and tougher war for the Western Allies, with, I would expect, a considerably larger focus on the aerial campaign since a successful invasion and ground campaign would have been a far more daunting prospect against a German army unhindered by the demands of the Eastern front.

That is all true. We can explain why America felt strong enough to wage war: they knew the had the resources to complete the job. The did not care about Poland. It was about destroying Europe and take it's place and nothing else.

Well, congratulations, being the good sports that I am. But don't give me BS about 'liberation' or 'moral justifications'. There is none. Just power politics brilliantly played out, with a little help from the dummies/leak of the White Race: the British. Buchanan is right here, Britain sealed the fate of Europe and themselves by declaring war on Germany after Hitler reversed Versailles on September 1, 1939. But British are too dumb to even being able to formulate their own interests, let alone act on it. If the Jews say to Chamberlain 'Jump', then Chamberlain asks 'how high?'... and then later complains about it during a game of golf:

The U.S. Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal wrote:

"Played golf today with Joe Kennedy. I asked him about his conversations with Roosevelt and Neville Chamberlain from 1938 on. He said Chamberlain's position in 1938 was that England had nothing with which to fight and that she could not risk going to war with Hitler. Kennedy's view: That Hitler would have fought Russia without any later conflict with England if it had not been for Bullitt's urging on Roosevelt in the summer of 1939 that the Germans must be faced down about Poland; neither the French nor the British would have made Poland a cause of war if it had not been for the constant needling from Washington. Bullitt, he said, kept telling Roosevelt that the Germans wouldn't fight; Kennedy that they would, and that they would overrun Europe. Chamberlain he says, stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war" (The Forrestal Diaries, 1951, Viking).
 
Last edited:
You still don't get it, do you.

The Soviets were about to invade Europe, forcing Hitler's hand. He had no choice.


You still don't get it, do you? Hitler had ordered the invasion plans prepared nearly a year before the actual invasion. Hitler ordered such preparations at a time his air force was battling for supremacy over the skies of Britain and it wasn't clear at all that the battle was going Germany's way.


I notice too you haven't attemped to offer any justifications for the next two Hitler/Reich military blunders I gave. Does that mean you accept them both as being stupid acts?
 
Still doesn't change the final outcome provided the U.S. enters the war against Germany. The combined production advantage of the U.S. plus Britain and its Commonwealth over Germany is too great. WWII was a vast war of attrition, so whichever side can produce the most for the longest wins.

Moreover, as long as the U.S. is the first to get to the atomic bomb, the Allies win. The atomic bomb was a war-winning weapon in and of itself.

If Germany doesn't tangle with Russia, it does mean a much longer and tougher war for the Western Allies, with, I would expect, a considerably larger focus on the aerial campaign since a successful invasion and ground campaign would have been a far more daunting prospect against a German army unhindered by the demands of the Eastern front.

Hmm, good points. Actually, that brings a hypothetical question to mind: If the A-Bomb had been developed just after the Normandy landings, do you think that the U.S. would have dropped the first one on Germany, or Japan?
 
That is all true. We can explain why America felt strong enough to wage war: they knew the had the resources to complete the job. The did not care about Poland. It was about destroying Europe and take it's place and nothing else.

Well, congratulations, being the good sports that I am. But don't give me BS about 'liberation' or 'moral justifications'. There is none. Just power politics brilliantly played out, with a little help from the dummies/leak of the White Race: the British. Buchanan is right here, Britain sealed the fate of Europe and themselves by declaring war on Germany after Hitler reversed Versailles on September 1, 1939. But British are too dumb to even being abnle to formulate their own interests, let alone act on it. If the Jews say to Chamberlain 'Jump', then Chamberlain asks 'how high?'... and then later complains about it during a game of golf.


I sometimes have a hard time deciding which motivates you more: your rabid anti-Semitism or your rabid anti-Americanism or your rabid anti-Angloism.

I guess I'll just remind you again that it was the North American cousins of the British who saved your country from German occupation and relieved your nation and its people from the grip of mass starvation. A starvation caused by the object of your affection, Nazi Germany. It's amazing how you manage to avoid that... you have Orwellian doublethink down to a science.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom