Merged Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero

jimtron said:
I think you just invented a new religion--congrats!
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Praise Allah!
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ddt said:
Ah yes, those 1.5 million morons who voted for him may not be disenfranchised.

Shouldn't his salary as MP not be cut for the days he is absent without leave?


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Sorry. I hope he is a bit careless in crossing the street, then.

And obligatory comment on the mosque issue: what a non-issue and what a bunch of bigots to complain about this.
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Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi?
 
Polaris said:
Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11
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All evidence points to the 9/11/11 date as being an unsubstantiated rumor. The fact that you keep repeating it as fact, despite having been informed of its dubious nature, speaks volumes about your honesty.

as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi?
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No, it's easy to see why people see it that way; because they associate all 1.6 billion Muslims with a handful of fanatics. It's called "prejudice." It's irrational and fundamentally logically unsound.

And like all viewpoints based on prejudice, it suffers from the handicap of being fundamentally stupid.

What's the "victory" that this community center supposedly represents? That Muslims can openly worship, hold classes, and (Allah forbid!) swim in the United States? Well, in that case the past ten years have been utterly pointless - because Muslims already had that right.

The only victory I see this center representing is the victory over 9/11. It's victory over intolerance and hatred. We will not reduce ourselves to conspiracy theories and petty bigotry. We're better than that.

At least, we'd better be.
 
Polaris said:
Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi?
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Cleon said:
All evidence points to the 9/11/11 date as being an unsubstantiated rumor. The fact that you keep repeating it as fact, despite having been informed of its dubious nature, speaks volumes about your honesty.
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This. And about the "near", I understand that it's about a mile away. Should we apply the same yardstick to the place where Theo van Gogh was murdered and preclude mosques from half of Amsterdam?

Cleon said:
No, it's easy to see why people see it that way; because they associate all 1.6 billion Muslims with a handful of fanatics. It's called "prejudice." It's irrational and fundamentally logically unsound.

And like all viewpoints based on prejudice, it suffers from the handicap of being fundamentally stupid.
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And Wilders is one of those. And please explain to me, Polaris, as you included also that part of my post in your reply, what a Dutch MP has to do there? When he wants to travel around the world speaking of the, in his view, dangers of Islam, he should have chosen another job. He's elected to represent his voters, and right now, more than ever, that job is in the Netherlands, in coalition talks. If that goes well, around 9/11 he'll have to be in Parliament to discuss the coalition agreement, either as Minister or as MP.
 
Greg Gutfeld from Fox News’ Red Eye announced today via his blog that he is actively speaking to investors and plans on opening a gay bar next to the controversial mosque being built near Ground Zero in New York. To make matters worse (better?) the bar will be specifically designed to cater to homosexuals of the Islamic faith. God, this is going to be an exciting block.
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Source. Personally I think it's a great idea. For one this is probably the first pro-gay thing Fox has ever done, and they actually think the people of that community center will care at all when there's already multiple strip clubs and bars on the same block. On the other hand it's blatantly obvious the only reason they're doing this is to bait some muslim into going "hmm i don't know about that" so they can go "SEE?? They're just as bigoted as us!"
 
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ddt said:
And Wilders is one of those. And please explain to me, Polaris, as you included also that part of my post in your reply, what a Dutch MP has to do there? When he wants to travel around the world speaking of the, in his view, dangers of Islam, he should have chosen another job. He's elected to represent his voters, and right now, more than ever, that job is in the Netherlands, in coalition talks. If that goes well, around 9/11 he'll have to be in Parliament to discuss the coalition agreement, either as Minister or as MP.
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Wilders' platform is anti-Islam + economic policies borrowed from the far-left.

Since he is about to get into a coalition with two of the most fiscally conservative parties, he is likely to sell his voters out on each-and-every economic promise he made.

Expect him to make a lot of noise about symbolic issues to cover that up.
 
Fishstick said:
Source. Personally I think it's a great idea. For one this is probably the first pro-gay thing Fox has ever done, and they actually think the people of that community center will care at all when there's already multiple strip clubs and bars on the same block. On the other hand it's blatantly obvious the only reason they're doing this is to bait some muslim into going "hmm i don't know about that" so they can go "SEE?? They're just as bigoted as us!"
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Looks like the MAS already responded:

The Muslim American Society also questioned Gutfield's intent. "Any mosque that's built in America is not built with the idea of having contentious or hostile relations with any other community around it," Human and Civil Rights program director Ibrahim Ramey told NBCNewYork. "We have our own faith and our own values but we certainly aren't going to attack other people even though they have values and orientations that are not necessarily of our faith and our religion."

"It's a free country...if [Gutfield] wanted to do that it would suggest that the idea of this location being some kind of quote-unquote sacred space...is obviously not true." Ramey added that "We doubt very seriously that the proposed initiative would have any direct connection with or patronage from people attending the mosque."
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Source.
 
Two questions that I have:

Exactly how close to Ground Zero are the sites for these Mosques?

Do these people have plans to honor the "martyrs" of Islam at Ground Zero? If so then how can they call up a crowd in NYC with that??!
 
This is how FOX ended up opening a gay bar, a salami stand, a Richard Dawkins shrine, an Israel Tourist Bureau office, a liquor store and a pig abattoir.

And still nobody cared.

aaaawww.
 
Paradox74 said:
Two questions that I have:

Exactly how close to Ground Zero are the sites for these Mosques?
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Not very - 2.5 blocks, which is a world and a half away in Manhattan.

Do these people have plans to honor the "martyrs" of Islam at Ground Zero?
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What? No, of course they don't. The leadership of this mosque has been explicit in its rejection of terrorism and extremism. It saddens me no end that people refuse to accept this.
 
Eddie Dane said:
Wilders' platform is anti-Islam + economic policies borrowed from the far-left.
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Hmm, his "economic policies" are a mish-mash, not grounded in any ideology or political orientation - he basically threw a bone for everyone: the poor got the promise that the age of entitlement for Social Security is not raised, and the middle-income and rich the promise that the tax deductibility of mortgage interest payments will not be touched, and a lot more which basically amounted to that he promised to do no budget cuts at all.

Eddie Dane said:
Since he is about to get into a coalition with two of the most fiscally conservative parties, he is likely to sell his voters out on each-and-every economic promise he made.
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Yes, he needs to because he promised too much.

Eddie Dane said:
Expect him to make a lot of noise about symbolic issues to cover that up.
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Oh yes. He already angered Christian-Democrat leader Verhagen with his plans to go to NYC. This coalition is going to be fun. I expect new elections before May next year. Hopefully earlier, so next year's budget will be made by a real government instead of civil servants.
 
Does anyone have the answer to these questions handy? If not, I'll start Googling.

Is it a mosque, a cultural center or both?

What is the address?

Does it have an official website?
 
Ladewig said:
Does anyone have the answer to these questions handy? If not, I'll start Googling.

Is it a mosque, a cultural center or both?
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Both. The plan is for a community center, not unlike a Jewish Community Center. Inside there will be exercise facilities, a swimming pool, classrooms, and yes, one floor will be a mosque.

What is the address?

Does it have an official website?
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Here you go.
 
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