Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Kevin_Lowe]

If you believe the cell phone tower call evidence then there is no other timeline other than 9:05 to 10:00.

Sorry, perhaps I was unclear. Allow me to rephrase the thrust of my argument:

You have expressed incredulity about this timeline, but what hard evidence can you point to that puts the time of death later than 10:00pm? (Roughly). If all the hard evidence says that Amanda died at that time, surely that trumps mere incredulity at everything Rudy got done in an hour's time?

I don't think you're arguing that it's physically impossible for Rudy to have done all his murdering, washing, stealing and so on in an hour, just that it strikes you as improbable. I think it's a hell of a lot more improbable that Meredith Kercher's stomach contents are lying to try to get Knox and Sollecito off. The less improbable hypothesis is just that Rudy had a busy hour.

Any evidence that anyone other then the two of them were involved in the murder with Rudy?

No, but that doesn't change the fact that if they were at home on the computer when Meredith was murdered, they didn't do it. If Rudy absolutely had to have help (and I'm not conceding that, merely exploring the consequences of your argument) then it must have been help from someone other than AK and RS, if they were not there.

If you turn your computer on and run a program does that you mean you are in your home in front of the computer?

Is this a new prosecution theory, where AK and RS and RG hatched a premeditated murder plot to kill Meredith, despite there being no evidence of any such plotting, any evidence that Amanda and Raffele knew Rudy, or any remotely plausible motive for the three of them to do so? That would be even kookier than your drug-crazed murder pile-on theory, which in turn was even less plausible than the existing prosecution narratives.

Except during that same hour you didn't also pull a knife on a woman, rip off her pants, sexually assult her, and stab her multiple times.

That might take a few minutes, sure, but it doesn't seem like it makes the whole thing impossible.

Are you really, really going to try to compare judo and Brazilian jujitsu with someone struggling for their life? Really? Your argument is that weak?

Actually I was indeed comparing apples to oranges - you run out of gas faster when you are panicking and fighting for your life than you do when you are wrestling with friends for the fun of it. If anything the amount of time it takes for an untrained person to run out of steam on the mat is a drastic overestimate of the time it would take an untrained person to gas in a life-or-death struggle.

You really think that Meredith could have been disrobed, sexually assulted and stabbed multiple times in a minute? No.

Probably not, but five or ten minutes would be ample.

 

[bucketoftea]

Bucketoftee,

You are a day late and a dollar short. Comodi’s question to Amanda was in error, as Charlie helpfully pointed out.

The police lied when they claimed that Amanda was not summoned on 5 November. Dr. Giobbi’s testimony made it clear that he wanted to interrogate both of them, as discussed at Perugia-Shock. Dr. Giobbi was there that evening, and arguments to the effect that the police did not do as he asked (by interrogating them in separate rooms) are risible. This was discussed in the previous thread here. Apparently the police did not tell Amanda that she was expected that evening, but that is not the same thing as not summoning her.

This isn't evidence of police lying. Try again. I'm afaraid it doesn't count as being summoned if....you weren't.
How was she summoned? Is there a paper trail? How can one be summoned without knowing it? What difference does it make? Amanda's lies made a very big difference...like Lumumba spending a fortnight in jail and subsequently losing his means to support his family.

 

[RoseMontague]

Well according to this article meredith walked past that camera at 20:41. Not 2105. Thats an extra 19 minutes. Which means the attacker had over an hour. Of course if thats the picture they say proves meredith arrived home, then wow. Surely there is a higher resolution picture to see facial features. If thats the best picture, then you seriously have to put her other friends back on the suspect list and at least get DNA samples to disprove they where not in the house. And was the time stamp on that picture fast like the next day. In which case meredith arrives home at 20:31. What time did her friend say they split up. Was it before or after 20:41.

According to the Micheli report Sophie Purton clarified the time she (Sophie) arrived back home (after walking with Amanda part of the way home) at 8:55pm.

The only garage camera video I had was here:

http://video.libero.it/app/play?id=6ca812dd9cafc8ef85813938ace7388b

I think it is reasonable from the evidence to suspect that Meredith was assaulted shortly after her arrival around 9pm and Rudy had left by 10pm.

 

[LondonJohn]

Spotted something within 5 minutes of browsing through the (very difficult to read) Massei report translation:

On page 365 of the translation, Massei's version of the crime has Knox and Sollecito arriving at the girls' house at "slightly after 23.00pm" on the 1st November.

But isn't this in direct conflict with the people who were broken down opposite the house between 22.30 and 23.15 (or even 23.30), and who stated that they saw nobody enter or leave the house during the whole time they were there? Is Massei either overlooking their testimony or concluding that they are mistaken?

Just to clarify:

"Difficult to read" is not the same thing as "difficult to understand". And both of these are different from "difficult to follow Massei's logical reasoning"...

 

[Chris_Halkides]

alternate scenarios

Alt+F4,

I agree with you that the evidence against Raffaele Sollecito is stronger than the evidence against Amanda Knox, on the basis of the bra clasp. However, I think that the clasp has several major problems (the fact that it is a mixture, the fact that it was collected in a way that raises questions about the chain of evidence, and the lack of Raffaele Sollecito's DNA on the bra itself, for starters), the cumulative effect of which is to weaken or even to nullify its value as evidence.

Rose Montague and I once discussed a scenario in which RS and AK are stoned or bombed, wake up and find a dead body, think that they did it, and clean up and stage a break-in to cover up a crime that they did not commit. I think that this is less implausible than their joining in a murder already in progress. That having been said, I don't find this version all that believable, either, because I don't find the evidence that the break-in was staged convincing. Also, testimony in court established that Amanda Knox is a light drinker, and no evidence or testimony of drugs other than marijuana was presented.

Now that I am thinking of the alleged clean-up, some commenters on this case believe that luminol revealed streak marks consistent with a clean-up. None of the photographs I have seen show streaks. Does anyone have an example of a photograph along these lines? Thanks.

 

[Kestrel]

Well according to this article meredith walked past that camera at 20:41. Not 2105. Thats an extra 19 minutes. Which means the attacker had over an hour. Of course if thats the picture they say proves meredith arrived home, then wow. Surely there is a higher resolution picture to see facial features. If thats the best picture, then you seriously have to put her other friends back on the suspect list and atleast get DNA samples to disprove they where not in the house. And was the time stamp on that picture fast like the next day. In which case meredith arrives home at 20:31. What time did her friend say they split up. Was it before or after 20:41.

A quick recap of the camera evidence.

This Perugia police claimed early in the case that this image clearly showed Amanda returning to the cottage at 20:41. The prosecution also claimed that the camera time was 10 minutes ahead of actual time, indicating that the time stamp probably said 20:51, not 20:41. Unfortunately, the only version of this video released is the one you see with the time stamp cropped out of the image.

The defense presented images from this same camera showing the arrival of the Postal Police and the Carabineri the next day. The Carabineri had trouble finding the cottage and called Amanda's cell phone for directions. Matching the time that call ended with the arrival of the Carbineri shows the camera clock is 10 to 12 minutes behind actual time, not 10 minutes ahead. The 20 - 22 minute difference means that the 20:41 time is actually 21:01 to 21:03.

The camera in question looks out from the car part entrance, across the street is the driveway to the cottage. This Google Street View shows the location. The only reason to cross the street at this point is to visit the cottage. If Meredith left the corner near Robyn's flat at 20:55, she would have arrived at the cottage just after 21:00. From the timing and the location it's almost certain the woman in the video is Meredith. All the other residents of the cottage are out of town and Amanda is still at Raffaele's place.

 

[RoseMontague]

I see that PMF has released their translation of the Massei report. I may not agree with the primary conclusions in the report but I do agree that a lot of folks at PMF deserve thanks for providing an English translation of what is by all accounts a very difficult document to translate. Anybody following the comments at PMF can plainly see that a whole lot of work went into this.

 

[Kestrel]

The defense presented images from this same camera showing the arrival of the Postal Police and the Carabineri the next day. The Carabineri had trouble finding the cottage and called Amanda's cell phone for directions. Matching the time that call ended with the arrival of the Carbineri shows the camera clock is 10 to 12 minutes behind actual time, not 10 minutes ahead.

The defense presentation can be found in the large PDF file here.

 

[Alt+F4]

Someone seems to have forgotten that Rudy himself stated that he arrived at the cottage before Meredith.

Rudy said a lot of things, but since he's a lair, rapist and murderer I don't think anything he says should be taken for the truth.

With that said there is no evidence that he was already in the apartment when Meredith arrived home around 9. If he did break in before 9 he would have stolen something from Filomena's room, after all stealing is the object here. Jewelery, cash, anything that could fit in his pockets.

Since nothing was stolen it makes more sense that Meredith was already home and he threw the rock sometime after 9. By the time she walked into Filomena's room to investigate the noise was already inside and he attacked her. Thus her room was "a big mess" but nothing was taken.

This scenario pushes back the time of the attack and has Rudy on the toilet after the stabbing. With a very short timeline, again, seems highly improbable with one person, very probable with three.

 

[RoseMontague]

It appears that Sophie remembers the 8:55 so exactly due to the fact that there was a TV show at 9PM that she wanted to see and she did make it home in time to see it. From this it would seem to make sense that Meredith was about to arrive home as well at 8:51PM.

 

[Alt+F4]

You have expressed incredulity about this timeline, but what hard evidence can you point to that puts the time of death later than 10:00pm? (Roughly).

My incredulity is that the claim is being made that the autopsy report says the time of death is between 9 and 9:30 when it's a fact that the attack didn't even begin until at least 9:05.

If all the hard evidence says that Amanda died at that time, surely that trumps mere incredulity at everything Rudy got done in an hour's time?

I think you mean Meredith. How can it be hard evidence when the early side of the estimation has her dead five minutes before she was even attacked?

I don't think you're arguing that it's physically impossible for Rudy to have done all his murdering, washing, stealing and so on in an hour, just that it strikes you as improbable. I think it's a hell of a lot more improbable that Meredith Kercher's stomach contents are lying to try to get Knox and Sollecito off. The less improbable hypothesis is just that Rudy had a busy hour.

Yes, I think it's highly improbable.

No, but that doesn't change the fact that if they were at home on the computer when Meredith was murdered, they didn't do it.

What exactly do you mean by "on the computer"? Was it turned on? Was it connected to the Internet? Was it running a program? My computer is on right now, I'm on the Internet. World of Warcraft is running in the background and I have Word open. If I leave it like this and go out and murder someone I can't use my computer as alibi that I was at home.

If I know I'm only going to be out for a short period of time I leave my computer on, I'm sure many people do. What I think happened is yes, they had the computer on then decided to do the short walk back to her apartment to get clothes for the next day's planned day trip.

If Rudy absolutely had to have help (and I'm not conceding that, merely exploring the consequences of your argument) then it must have been help from someone other than AK and RS, if they were not there.

As far as I know there is no evidence of anyone else being in the apartment.

Is this a new prosecution theory, where AK and RS and RG hatched a premeditated murder plot to kill Meredith, despite there being no evidence of any such plotting, any evidence that Amanda and Raffele knew Rudy, or any remotely plausible motive for the three of them to do so? That would be even kookier than your drug-crazed murder pile-on theory, which in turn was even less plausible than the existing prosecution narratives.

I think my drug-crazed murder pile-on theory is much more plausible than the existing prosecution narratives. I don't however, think it was premediated and I think that while she was present, Amanda didn't participate in the killing.

 

[Chris C]

A quick recap of the camera evidence.

This Perugia police claimed early in the case that this image clearly showed Amanda returning to the cottage at 20:41. The prosecution also claimed that the camera time was 10 minutes ahead of actual time, indicating that the time stamp probably said 20:51, not 20:41. Unfortunately, the only version of this video released is the one you see with the time stamp cropped out of the image.

The defense presented images from this same camera showing the arrival of the Postal Police and the Carabineri the next day. The Carabineri had trouble finding the cottage and called Amanda's cell phone for directions. Matching the time that call ended with the arrival of the Carbineri shows the camera clock is 10 to 12 minutes behind actual time, not 10 minutes ahead. The 20 - 22 minute difference means that the 20:41 time is actually 21:01 to 21:03.

The camera in question looks out from the car part entrance, across the street is the driveway to the cottage. This Google Street View shows the location. The only reason to cross the street at this point is to visit the cottage. If Meredith left the corner near Robyn's flat at 20:55, she would have arrived at the cottage just after 21:00. From the timing and the location it's almost certain the woman in the video is Meredith. All the other residents of the cottage are out of town and Amanda is still at Raffaele's place.

So what your saying is, that unidentifiable person is Meredith? Thats worse than evidence than the homeless guy that says he saw Knox/Sollecito at the court at the time the prosecution says Meredith was murdered. Thats a parking garage, your bound to see people walking.

 

[Alt+F4]

Alt+F4,

I agree with you that the evidence against Raffaele Sollecito is stronger than the evidence against Amanda Knox, on the basis of the bra clasp. However, I think that the clasp has several major problems (the fact that it is a mixture, the fact that it was collected in a way that raises questions about the chain of evidence, and the lack of Raffaele Sollecito's DNA on the bra itself, for starters), the cumulative effect of which is to weaken or even to nullify its value as evidence.

I think the fact his DNA isn't on the bra itself could lead to the conclusion that they indeed walked into a murder in progress.

Rose Montague and I once discussed a scenario in which RS and AK are stoned or bombed, wake up and find a dead body, think that they did it, and clean up and stage a break-in to cover up a crime that they did not commit. I think that this is less implausible than their joining in a murder already in progress.

But you think if this were true they would have said so once they were charged with murder.

That having been said, I don't find this version all that believable, either, because I don't find the evidence that the break-in was staged convincing.

Frankly I don't think it really matters if the break-in was staged or not. Rudy either broke in through Filomeana's window or Meredith let him in through the front door.

Also, testimony in court established that Amanda Knox is a light drinker, and no evidence or testimony of drugs other than marijuana was presented.

I'm not suggesting that Amanda is a junkie, and since drug use isn't a mitigating factor why bring it up? I'm sure Edda Mellas (from a mother's point of view) was not happy about some of the things she found out about Amanda's life in Italy so why compound her pain with hard drug usage information?

 

[Chris C]

You have expressed incredulity about this timeline, but what hard evidence can you point to that puts the time of death later than 10:00pm? (Roughly).

My incredulity is that the claim is being made that the autopsy report says the time of death is between 9 and 9:30 when it's a fact that the attack didn't even begin until at least 9:05.



I think you mean Meredith. How can it be hard evidence when the early side of the estimation has her dead five minutes before she was even attacked?



Yes, I think it's highly improbable.



What exactly do you mean by "on the computer"? Was it turned on? Was it connected to the Internet? Was it running a program? My computer is on right now, I'm on the Internet. World of Warcraft is running in the background and I have Word open. If I leave it like this and go out and murder someone I can't use my computer as alibi that I was at home.

If I know I'm only going to be out for a short period of time I leave my computer on, I'm sure many people do. What I think happened is yes, they had the computer on then decided to do the short walk back to her apartment to get clothes for the next day's planned day trip.



As far as I know there is no evidence of anyone else being in the apartment.



I think my drug-crazed murder pile-on theory is much more plausible than the existing prosecution narratives. I don't however, think it was premediated and I think that while she was present, Amanda didn't participate in the killing.

The autopsy say Meredith died 2 to 3 hours after eating. Since she ate with her friends at around 6, there is your 2 to 3 hours. It could have been a few 30 minutes after or 30 minutes before 6. It seems that they are not exactly positive. Howerver, the guilters takes a body temperature reading over 24 hours after ToD as the actual ToD. He changed his body temp reading twice. The coroner used a 1 hour window. Apparently this coroner has been watching CSI in Italian more than he has been studying his medical books. Because he should know there is no way you can give a 1 hour window using body temperature that far after death. Research It.

What hard evidence places Meredith arriving at her apartment after 9pm? A picture that can't even distinguish whether its a male or female walking down the road. How is that evidence of her arrival home. I find it sad, that the prosecution tried so hard to destroy Knox/Sollecito's alibi. Yet, just took the girl who walked her home testimony so easily. They didn't investigate that last person to have seen her prior to her murder? What evidence did she give for an alibi thats so strong that it out weighs Knox/Sollecito? From everything that is said, her alibi is she turned around and walked home. Thats her alibi. How is that stronger than Knox/Sollecito? Now i dont think her friend did it. I am just saying the last person that was seen with her alive should atleast have given up a DNA sample. Yet the only samples taken where of Knox, Sollecito, Patrick, Meredith and Guede.

The prosecution claimed that Knox/Sollecito turned their phones off. Because they turned their phones off that means they where trying to hide the fact that they where going over Meredith's to kill her. Yet the prosecution ignores the fact that Meredith's phones where left on and at another location at the time the prosecution claims Knox/Sollecito murdered Meredith.

 

[Alt+F4]

What hard evidence places Meredith arriving at her apartment after 9pm? A picture that can't even distinguish whether its a male or female walking down the road. How is that evidence of her arrival home. I find it sad, that the prosecution tried so hard to destroy Knox/Sollecito's alibi. Yet, just took the girl who walked her home testimony so easily. They didn't investigate that last person to have seen her prior to her murder? What evidence did she give for an alibi thats so strong that it out weighs Knox/Sollecito? From everything that is said, her alibi is she turned around and walked home. Thats her alibi. How is that stronger than Knox/Sollecito? Now i dont think her friend did it. I am just saying the last person that was seen with her alive should atleast have given up a DNA sample. Yet the only samples taken where of Knox, Sollecito, Patrick, Meredith and Guede.

I think you make a good point Chris. I don't know how the police verified Sophie's claim. If it is true that she parted company with Meredith at 8:55 then I think it makes sense Meredith went right home as the weather was cold. But you're right, there is no 100% positive evidence that Meredith entered the apartment around 9pm.

The prosecution claimed that Knox/Sollecito turned their phones off. Because they turned their phones off that means they where trying to hide the fact that they where going over Meredith's to kill her. Yet the prosecution ignores the fact that Meredith's phones where left on and at another location at the time the prosecution claims Knox/Sollecito murdered Meredith.

Their phones were off. I don't think they turned their phones off as premeditation (as I don't think there was any premeditation) but rather not to be disturbed while they were doing drugs.

As for Meredith's phones I'm curious as to why when Amanda began to worry about Meredith's wereabouts she didn't just stand outside Meredith's door and call her phones.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Giobbi and Matteini

This isn't evidence of police lying. Try again. I'm afaraid it doesn't count as being summoned if....you weren't.
How was she summoned? Is there a paper trail? How can one be summoned without knowing it? What difference does it make? Amanda's lies made a very big difference...like Lumumba spending a fortnight in jail and subsequently losing his means to support his family.

Bucketoftee,

Dr. Giobbi said under oath he was mathematically sure that he gave the order. Judge Matteini’s statement about Amanda’s arrest having been effected before her mother arrived in Italy on the 6th lends additional evidence that ILE planned to bring Amanda in that evening. After the arrest the police said things along the lines of, “We did not call Amanda in, but she came in of her own accord.” Instead, they could have said, “Amanda came in without being told directly, but we had actually summoned her, anyway.” The second of the two statements would have been true, but the first one is misleading, at the very least.

In the pantheon of lies and half-truths the police told in the ensuing investigation, this one is only a minor deity. However, we can speculate on the reason for this particular misrepresentation. They might have done so because it suggests that they were unprepared for her, and that is why they did not record the interrogation (ILE has offered more than one explanation for this absence). Or they might have done so because they wanted to cover their tracks with respect to wishing to arrest her before the interrogation.

I recall that Mr. Lumumba’s friends tried to dissuade him from opening a business when he did. ILE did not allow him to reopen for a long time after his release. I think trying to lay all of the blame for his business failing on Amanda is a stretch.

 

[Chris C]

I think you make a good point Chris. I don't know how the police verified Sophie's claim. If it is true that she parted company with Meredith at 8:55 then I think it makes sense Meredith went right home as the weather was cold. But you're right, there is no 100% positive evidence that Meredith entered the apartment around 9pm.

Their phones were off. I don't think they turned their phones off as premeditation (as I don't think there was any premeditation) but rather not to be disturbed while they were doing drugs.

As for Meredith's phones I'm curious as to why when Amanda began to worry about Meredith's wereabouts she didn't just stand outside Meredith's door and call her phones.

What i'm curious about is how many times Filomena called Meredith. Plus if that in fact was Meredith on the camera. Where is the camera footage of Amanda and Sollecito. Why would Amanda and Sollecito not walk by that exact same camera. If it wasn't premeditation and they only decided to help rudy because of all that pot they smoked. Then they would have walked through the same camera location as Meredith. Yet the only camera evidence other than Meredith is the footage they think was Rudy. Where there pictures of amanda arriving home that morning? If she went and purchased bleach at 8 in the morning, I guess she decided to jump the fence with all those cleaning materials rather than go through the gate? Seriously the only footage the prosecution presented was grainy footage of 1 person around 9pm. If they would have had footage of someone entering that apartment at any other time then they would have presented it and it would have been all over the news. There are not many ways to get to that home. There is the gate entrance or you can jump the fence bordering the road. The rest of the house is surround by a fairly steep hillside covered in thick vegetation.

 

[Dan O.]

Rudy said a lot of things, but since he's a lair, rapist and murderer I don't think anything he says should be taken for the truth.

With that said there is no evidence that he was already in the apartment when Meredith arrived home around 9. If he did break in before 9 he would have stolen something from Filomena's room, after all stealing is the object here. Jewelery, cash, anything that could fit in his pockets.

Since nothing was stolen it makes more sense that Meredith was already home and he threw the rock sometime after 9. By the time she walked into Filomena's room to investigate the noise was already inside and he attacked her. Thus her room was "a big mess" but nothing was taken.

This scenario pushes back the time of the attack and has Rudy on the toilet after the stabbing. With a very short timeline, again, seems highly improbable with one person, very probable with three.

Strawman - You are creating a hypothetical situation and then claiming the situation is improbable. It is your hypothesis that is wrong.

There is a load of crap that says Rudy was sitting on the toilet when he was interrupted in a way that prevented him from flushing. Meredith comming home while Rudy is sitting is a valid hypothises consistent with the toilet not being flushed. You have presented no alternative that explains why the toilet was not flushed.

The degree to which Filomena's room was trashed vs just being messy is under debate. None of the objects on the desk or nightstand were toppled. These areas were cluttered but certainly not trashed. There are several items of clothing tossed on top of the bed. These could have been laid out the previous morning or some of the items she claimed to have picked up from the floor. There is a pile of clothes on the floor at the foot of the bed. This may have been Filomena's dirty laundary pile. If not, where is her hamper? This pile may have been kicked into the room by Rudy climbing through the window. There is a bag and purse from under the window that most certainly was knocked over by the rock that broke the window. And finally, there is glass from the window spread across the room and on the innerr and outter sill. This is the condition of Filomena's room as recorded on video, digital stils and the Spheron-VR imagery November 2nd.

Trying to assign a motivation to Rudy that is incompatible with the evidence is another straw man. The night of November 1st with many students out of town and the rent due on Monday after a long holiday weekend is an opportunity for a thief to make a large cash haul if he doesn't bog himself down with material things. Rudy could be searching only for stashed rent money. Such a search does not require trashing a room. Did you know that the police photos show evidence that Laurs's room had been searched?

The statements made by Rudy may be lies. But it is an established fact that he said them. That he mentions Merediths's rent money before it was public knowledge that the money was stollen and before anyone even questioned him about the money is evidence that Rudy was aware of the money being stolen even though what he said about the money was a fabrication. Rudy volunteered that he was outside the cottage several minutes before Meredith returned home. It would be dangerous for Rudy to lie about this since there may have been witnesses. He makes claims about where he fell because these falls could have left incriminating DNA or fingerprints that would seem more suspicious and appear as if they were being hidden if the explanation were crated after they were discovered.

 

[piktor]

You have expressed incredulity about this timeline, but what hard evidence can you point to that puts the time of death later than 10:00pm? (Roughly).

My incredulity is that the claim is being made that the autopsy report says the time of death is between 9 and 9:30 when it's a fact that the attack didn't even begin until at least 9:05.

Listen to this:

"The following considerations add a further element of uncertainty to using the criterion of gastric emptying: Meredith’s friends, in speaking of an afternoon meal on November 1, 2007 that was eaten with Meredith, stated that no alcoholic substances were consumed; they drank only water. According to statements by Dr. Lalli, based on the toxicological tests, the presence of ethyl alcohol in a concentration of 0.43gram/litre was found (Lalli report page 54); Professor Cingolani declared that it was a quantity equivalent to about a glass of beer or wine. During the autopsy, Dr. Lalli discovered a vegetal fragment in the oesophagus, apparently a piece of mushroom (page 46, Lalli report). In relation to this data, it is possible that Meredith, arriving home around 21:00 pm, ate something to accompany this meal – the last one of her life – with a bit of wine or a beer. This eventuality, with regard to hypothesising based on the above-mentioned objective elements, adds a final uncertainty to the notion of using the criterion of gastric emptying to determine the time of death with any certainty."- Translated Massei Report

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=53735#p53735

Also, the Massei report states the possible time ranges for Time Of Death between 18:50, Nov. 1 and 04:50, Nov. 2.

 

[Kestrel]

So what your saying is, that unidentifiable person is Meredith? Thats worse than evidence than the homeless guy that says he saw Knox/Sollecito at the court at the time the prosecution says Meredith was murdered. Thats a parking garage, your bound to see people walking.

The timing and direction of travel combined with knowing that all the other cottage occupants were elsewhere at that time make it very unlikely that the person in that video is anyone else.