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[DGM]

You still don't get it. I followed your assertion of a 50T pressing strength and just showed how a usual 50T pressing strength hydraulic press would looks like because I believe that Pecoraro didn't talk about a 50T pressing strength hydraulic press for press buttons or camping.

So how much of an explosion are we talking about? Why can't you answer this?

 

[bill smith]

But did America attack Afghanistan and kill possibly hundreds of thousands of people and cause billions in material damage on the grounds that Bin Laden was a suspect in the 9/11 attacks ?

You better hope it never goes to court because the punitive and other damages will be more than America itself is worth.

 

[DGM]

But did America attack Afghanistan and kill possibly hundreds of thousands of people and cause billions in material damage on the grounds that Bin Laden was a suspect in the 9/11 attacks ?

You better hope it never goes to court because the punitive and other damages will be more than America itself is worth.

No!

 

[DGM]

You better hope it never goes to court because the punitive and other damages will be more than America itself is worth.

It's a good thing we didn't go in there with no evidence, huh? Could you imagine if the "truthers" ever actually tried to bring anyone to court?

 

[twinstead]

But did America attack Afghanistan and kill possibly hundreds of thousands of people and cause billions in material damage on the grounds that Bin Laden was a suspect in the 9/11 attacks ?

You better hope it never goes to court because the punitive and other damages will be more than America itself is worth.

The evidence that Bin Laden was involved in 911 is incontrovertible whether you think so or not. Your opinion is as irrelevant as it would be if you were claiming the sky is green.

 

[triforcharity]

Give me your expertise about the white smoke reaching the lower MER floors. BTW what is burning down there leaving white smoke? A jet fuel fireball?
[qimg]http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6342/wtc1basewhitesmoke.jpg[/qimg]

HVAC systems typically move somke from one area to another.

MER floors?

 

[triforcharity]

So you admitting that you believe Pecoraro was concerned about "tipping over" of something like this?
[qimg]http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2100/pressm.jpg[/qimg]

LOL!! HOLY ****!!

Yeah, why not? I've seen them tip over before. What is your point?

 

[triforcharity]

Your rhetorical masturbation comes a little late. I think I gave a probable range for the press instead of that wire rack someone posted here.

Let's look:
50 ton capacity or weight, Looks like "the official story" can't explain it.

...or have you solved the problem of the magical fuel?


Btw, what was the press in the basement used for?
I know exactly what motivated your (again rhetorical) veto but I don't expect a 2009 light weight press back in 2001.
I expect an older model back in 2001 that is worth to mention. So please don't play dumb. Thank you.

Removing bearings, putting bearings in, removing shafts from mechanical equipment, and crushing beer cans. What do you use a 50 ton press for?

 

[triforcharity]

May I tell the world the black boxes of AA11 and UA175 were found?
Al knows where they are?

It would just confirm what some workers on Ground Zero saw.

Listen, I know you're trying to be cute and funny, but you fail at that too.

The ATC communication is what he was referring to. Those, BTW, are recorded on the ground.

 

[pgimeno]

Show me the takeoff in the same relation.

Are you implying that the vertical scale is too exaggerated? Isn't it enough for you to note that the plane ascended for three times?

You can see it with the proper relation here - the preliminary NTSB flight path which, unfortunately, pft haven't made public without added stupid commentary. Keep an eye on the altitude and another in the bank angle, to see how good a pilot Hanjour was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzR-q0ijbV0

 

[pgimeno]

It was stolen; he got a new one. Are you saying a passport can't survive a WTC collapse? People survived, a passport can survive. Some things make it, some don't; it is reality.

Ahem, time for a reminder: the passport was found before any collapse.

 

[fess]

achimspok,

Still playing “Tinker Bell”? You have flittered about as though you are some kind of joust about, going from trying to explain everything about flying an aircraft to how a hydraulic press is rated… all in one post.

If you haven’t noticed, there are several members of this forum that are pilots, real ones. If, and when, they all stop laughing at your comments, they may post an answer.

You first should realize that these planes had GPS.
You should also realize that modern obstacle warning systems use topography maps.
Bad weather? ...use the autolanding system!
Read the 911myth article and have a laugh. Yes, the pilots only would have to go downstairs and to cut some wires to gain control and fly by hand. The pilots were stabbed? WAF!
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...ost&p=10785708

A typical trained Balsamo pilot.

 

[alienentity]

Oy Vey! And I thought Jammonius had the mind-numbing resistance to reality sown up!

I bow to achimspok. You are a true master of dodgy thinking.

If 'Zag' is the answer you guys will 'Zig' reflexively, and you never mentally recover from the resulting errors. You just dig yourselves deeper into the woo.

Game over. Set, Match. You are lost.

 

[achimspok]

The above really captures it nicely. Thank you.

It's a bit out of context. So let me summarize what is captured here.

Big Al believes the Stationary Engineer at the WTC meant something like this...

..."tipped over".

BigAl's belief is based on the article...

...they found the machine shop gone.
"There was nothing there but rubble, "Mike said. "We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press ? gone!" The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer.

...and his assumption that Pecoraro usually had to press out ball bearings.

My belief is that the Stationary Engineer wouldn't have mentioned that little steel thing at all because that day he constructed a gantry to pull the heads of the smallest chillers at B6 - the 2500ton units.
My assumption is that Mike Pecoraro knows what he is talking about because...

Having been through that bombing (1993), Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building's structure. He was convinced a bomb had gone off in the building.

Mikes description appears to be confirmed by other witness reports or even the fire fighters.

PAPD OFFICER MAGGETT: Port Authority Police, Officer Maggett.
ED CALDERONE - OCC: Maggett, this is Ed at the OCC. I got word that there's an
explosion down on B-4. We got people hurt down there, B-4.
PAPD OFFICER MAGGETT: B-4?
----
PAPD OFFICER 33: Myself and (Inaudible) to the Trade Center responding with scott packs to the B-4 level. There's a report of a cave-in, and people trapped.
PAPD OFFICER DESK: Roger, three-three and eight-two Houston, World Trade
responding B-4 level on a report of a cave-in.
PAPD OFFICER: ESU units, do you copy?
PAPD OFFICER 33 : Three-three, desk.
PAPD OFFICER DESK: Go, three-three.
PAPD OFFICER 33: There's also been a cave-in at the platform of the PATH plaza ... there's a live electrical, and water running. Turn off the power in that area.

 

[achimspok]

Oy Vey! And I thought Jammonius had the mind-numbing resistance to reality sown up!

I bow to achimspok. You are a true master of dodgy thinking.

If 'Zag' is the answer you guys will 'Zig' reflexively, and you never mentally recover from the resulting errors. You just dig yourselves deeper into the woo.

Game over. Set, Match. You are lost.

Hey alienentity, what's about your totally false WTC7 video on youtube? Have you ever changed it? Have you ever understood that the addition of falltimes of two things do not result in a slower speed?

Holy cow, you are talking about resistance? Resistance is the thing from below that is totally missing, you know!

 

[achimspok]

Balderdash. Ignorant twaddle. Major malfunction.

That web page has nothing to do with cruise missile navigation systems. It doesn't even have anything to do with aircraft navigation.

Biggles Software is in the business of selling aircraft manuals on CD-ROM^WP media. Could that have been the nucleus from which achimspok crafted his hallucination?

I'm not talking about biggles-software. I'm talking about basic components. The technology for CD-Roms was originally planned as landscape memory. It was just some left-over that made it in the civil world.
How ever, once the components are there it is no big thing the implement a "backdoor". These backdoors where planned anyway as "hijack prevention".
So you are wrong about your riddling about my nucleus. Just a hallucination - some secret wish I would say.

 

[achimspok]

Btw, google for Wayne Anderson (Avionics Technician) and tell me what you think about his story.

 

[achimspok]

What's the price of tea in China?

Sure, for you it must sounds like that.

 

[achimspok]

So how much of an explosion are we talking about? Why can't you answer this?

We talk about an explosion that totally destroyed B2 and B3, caused major damage at B4 reaching out to the subway path as well as to the west side lobby.
Why can't you simply admit that a tipping over light weight press obviously wasn't meant because it wouldn't be worth to mention. Why can't you simply admit that not all the witnesses were just lunatics who were concerned about their little worlds one and only tiny camping press?

How selective is you perception?

 

[TSR]

Btw, google for Wayne Anderson (Avionics Technician) and tell me what you think about his story.

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Better idea: google 757 and "fly by wire" and figure out why there could be no "cut a few wires" scenario. There is no way to "take over" the mechanical system of a Boeing such that the pilot cannot take control back even on a 777, which *is* fly by wire.

You claim the ground crew would not notice the modifications because they wouldn't be expecting them: this is exactly why they *would* be noticed -- as something that should not be there.
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