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Is controlled demolition a requirement for MIHOP?

I brought this up in another thread and as I don't think it deserves it's own thread I thought I would ask it here.

(Besides TAM's thread should not be 2 pages down.:))

No, why should it be?
I see no problem in making up some scenario with arab hijackers being replaced with Manchurian candidates from the NWO pool.
 
Why is the plane being 1/3% of the buildings mass so important?
Some truther calculated it to scale down to one human and one shotgun slug. :eek:
 
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What to answer to someone who wants... evidence that calculations of the NIST are correct?

A reply à la beachnut would get me modded :/
 
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What to answer to someone who wants... evidence that calculations of the NIST are correct?

A reply à la beachnut would get me modded :/

lol :D

Anyway, the truthers don't agree with NIST? Then the burden of proof is on them. Let them provide the "correct" calculations.

If they say they can't then what are they challenging?
 
lol :D

Anyway, the truthers don't agree with NIST? Then the burden of proof is on them. Let them provide the "correct" calculations.

If they say they can't then what are they challenging?

Our patience.

TAM;)
 
lol :D

Anyway, the truthers don't agree with NIST? Then the burden of proof is on them. Let them provide the "correct" calculations.

If they say they can't then what are they challenging?

In fact, I already tried this option. The truther replied that if debunkers can't back up the calculations of the NIST, then the latter is wrong. It's just a simple inverted burden of proof, but he sticks with that flawed logic :/
 
In fact, I already tried this option. The truther replied that if debunkers can't back up the calculations of the NIST, then the latter is wrong. It's just a simple inverted burden of proof, but he sticks with that flawed logic :/
Prove the calculations are right? It's math, If they can't tell you why it's wrong they don't understand enough to argue math with. It's really that simple. If they do and you can't tell them why they're wrong then................:rolleyes:
 
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A few Firefighter Statements

Post by request of triforcharity...


Deputy Fire C ommissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick. [Source: City of New York]Numerous witnesses to the collapse of the south WTC tower think it resembles a demolition using explosives. Some initially believe this is what is occurring:
Reporter John Bussey watches the collapse from the Wall Street Journal’s offices across the street from the WTC. He says, “I… looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor, spewing glass and metal outward. One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces.” [Wall Street Journal, 9/12/2001]
Deputy Fire Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick: “I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.… Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.” [City of New York, 10/1/2001]
Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory: “I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista… he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him… I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.… You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw.” [City of New York, 10/3/2001]
Firefighter Richard Banaciski: “It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.” [City of New York, 12/6/2001]
Firefighter Joseph Meola: “As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops.… You thought it was just blowing out.” [City of New York, 12/11/2001]
Fire Chief Frank Cruthers: “[T]here was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.” [City of New York, 10/31/2001]
Battalion Chief Brian Dixon: “I was watching the fire… the lowest floor of fire in the South Tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see—I could see two sides of it and the other side—it just looked like that floor blew out.… I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.” [City of New York, 10/25/2001]
Firefighter Timothy Burke: “Then the building popped, lower than the fire… I was going oh, my god, there is secondary device because the way the building popped I thought it was an explosion.” [City of New York, 1/22/2002]
Firefighter Edward Cachia: “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.” [City of New York, 12/6/2001]
Firefighter Kenneth Rogers: “[T]here was an explosion in the South Tower… I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing.” [City of New York, 12/10/2001]
Reporter Beth Fertig: “The tower went down perfectly straight, as if a demolition crew had imploded it. I wondered if it was being brought down deliberately.” [Gilbert et al., 2002, pp. 78]
Paramedic Daniel Rivera: “[D]o you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear ‘Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop’? That’s exactly what—because I thought it was that.” [City of New York, 10/10/2001]
Battalion Chief Dominick DeRubbio: “It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion.” [City of New York, 10/12/2001]
The Guardian will report that police on the scene said the collapse “looked almost like a ‘planned implosion’ designed to catch bystanders watching from the street.” [Guardian, 9/12/2001]
 
I see Bill found a way to post his "cherry picked' quotes.

Hey Bill, why don't you post ALL of the testimonies? Are you afraid of what the readers will see? :o
 
I see Bill found a way to post his "cherry picked' quotes.

Hey Bill, why don't you post ALL of the testimonies? Are you afraid of what the readers will see? :o

You can say that these devastating statements are cherry picked all you like. I counsel readers to assess what these totally credible frontline witnesses are saying. This leaves no doubt about the explosive demolition of the Twin Towers.

The days of debunker lame excuses is drawing to a close as reality kicks back in with most people.
 
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So post the source of these quotes. (Not just the "truther" propaganda), ALL of the FDNY testimonies. Are you afraid of what they (the readers) will see?
 
You can say that these devastating statements are cherry picked all you like. I counsel readers to assess what these totally credible frontline witnesses are saying. This leaves no doubt about the explosive demolition of the Twin Towers.

The days of debunker lame excuses is drawing to a close as reality kicks back in with most people.

It's like 2006 all over again, right Bill?
I haven't seen any devastating statements since 2001.

Are you up to a little challenge?
 
So post the source of these quotes. (Not just the "truther" propaganda), ALL of the FDNY testimonies. Are you afraid of what they (the readers) will see?

You can feel free to post your list of firemen's statements that say there was no controlled demolition. Then I can post the next list of devastating statements. In fact have you seen this video that scientifically analyses the firemen's statements en bloc ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg Firemen's Testimony- Study
 
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It's like 2006 all over again, right Bill?
I haven't seen any devastating statements since 2001.

Are you up to a little challenge?

Possibly-possibly not. Not if I consider it debunker time wasting rubbish.


Ah...now I see. I personally prefer to keep the jref as it is. It is a great help to 9/11 truth and becoming more so every day.
 
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You brought it up. Time for you to show a little honesty in your posts. I'm guessing you'll dodge as usual (and everyone will see it).

I guess they will, but not as you think.

If you have something powerful the Readers would be obliged if you would get on with showing it.
 
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