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I asked this in my yt video thread, who the hell is Bent Lund? He is supposedly a CD expert who thinks that the buildings were blown up.

I heard about him in an argument I'm having with a German Truther who mentioned him in a youtube comment. I googled his name and kept getting this list of experts found on Truther sites that mentioned him and lead to a dead link.

When the Truther I was arguing with sent me a bunch of experts who think 911 was an inside job he sent me the exact same list I saw on dozens of Truther sites that had Bent Lund's link to nothing.

I told him that and he said that we can just forget about him.
 
Is this really what you consider mendacity so grevious that you would carry on like this for years?

I have not carried on like this for years.

Care to clarify this nugget?

Red Ibis said:
it's always the first interview which is most important. How people choose to interpret their experience later on is often of little consequence compared to the value of that first, unadulturated account

I take it with this statement you are throwing Willies later statements under a bus?

How about his claim to have spoken to one of the hijackers?
 
How about his claim to have spoken to one of the hijackers?

I don't know, it's possible. Alshehri was in the US at the time. Weren't hijackers suspected of being at the WTC to program GPS prior to 9/11?

Is this what makes Willy such a scoundrel?
 
I don't know, it's possible. Alshehri was in the US at the time. Weren't hijackers suspected of being at the WTC to program GPS prior to 9/11?

Is this what makes Willy such a scoundrel?

No, his lies are. Add up all his fantastic late in the day claims, blatant lies, exagerrations and his pathetic court case and you have a complete moron on your hands.

Red Ibis said:
it's always the first interview which is most important. How people choose to interpret their experience later on is often of little consequence compared to the value of that first, unadulturated account

I can see why someone trying to defend Willie would not want to comment on their earlier claims as above. However to continue to avoid this issue you only show your cowardice and dishonesty. Do you throw Willies later claims under the bus due to the above?

ETA - If someone was there to program GPS then why ask Willie about how many toilets there were in the building? Hoiw did they get in the building? How did they bump into Willie? I have been to the towers, you did not just wander in and have a wander about.
 
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You might want to fix a certain glaring typo in your last post, funk. It really is in our (or should I say your) best interests;)

If past behavior is any indication, Red will do what he always does when asked to deal with questions/points he lacks the courage or intelligence to address. He will simply ignore the repeated requests until everyone has forgotten about it or has simply given up. He'll probably get away with it, too.
 
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Family Members Of 9/11 Victims Asked To Contribute To Museum

Family members are being asked to help the September 11th Memorial and Museum honor those who lost their lives in the terror attacks.

Museum officials say they are sending letters to nearly 3,200 family members, inviting them to make audio recordings and share photos and other memories.


Source: NY1

Site: National September 11 Memorial & Museum
 
I love this statement. Most of the folks who ridicule people simply because they want to know what really happened on 9/11 fall into this category. Of course, the folks who started all this "troofer" stuff are paid disinformation agents.

This is nothing new. About 200 years ago, President James Madison identified the really bad guys when he said, "History records that the money changers have used ever form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance."
 
Jesus not allowed to promote 9/11 truth on Fox news

Even if Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna were alive today and all passionately believed 9/11 was an inside job, so what?

None of them would be allowed to express their opinions on Fox News or anywhere else in the mainstream media, would they?

Even if they were allowed on the air with the likes of Hannity, Beck, or O'Reilly, they would be viciously ridiculed, labeled an unpatriotic, left wing radical sicko, and not be permitted to talk too much, wouldn't they? Of course.

General Douglas MacArthur expressed the real truth many years ago when he said, "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within."

Today, if General MacArthur said exactly the same words in this forum, many of you would arrogantly and ignorantly label him a "truther" too.
 
I love this statement. Most of the folks who ridicule people simply because they want to know what really happened on 9/11 fall into this category. Of course, the folks who started all this "troofer" stuff are paid disinformation agents.


How do you know?

This is nothing new. About 200 years ago, President James Madison identified the really bad guys when he said, "History records that the money changers have used ever form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance."


There's no shortage of villains in this world but they aren't all in league with each other or working towards a common goal. No reasonable person disputes that Jack The Ripper (whoever he was) was an evil murderer. It doesn't necessarily logically follow though that he, say murdered Lizzie Borden's parents. To say a certain person/government/race/political or religious group is responsible for everything that is wrong with the world (from rigged elections to 9/11 style disasters) without any supporting evidence is laughably wrong headed and naive. Don't try to accuse me of creating strawmen, we both know that there are people who honestly believe everything from the flat tire they got three years ago to the 2006 tsunami can be traced back to some all powerful cabal. I know someone like that myself and I can assure you he's no "Disinfo Agent".

There's a generation of earnest, well meaning but naive people who had an epiphany after seeing that Donald Sutherland/Mister X scene in Oliver Stone's JFK. You know, the speech/BS dump that included the bit about determining who is guilty for a crime by determining who stands to benefit from it? It also doesn't logically follow that everyone who stands to benefit from a crime must somehow be involved in said crime. Life is not like a certain famous Agatha Christie novel.

I've asked these questions of at least a half dozen Truthers here and elsewhere and have never managed to get a coherent answer out of any of them. Maybe you could take a stab at them:

1. If there are others like you; hundreds, thousands, millions or even billions of others out there in the world who feel as you do that the United States, or at least the US Government is inherently corrupt and evil, why wouldn't there at least occasionally be times where one or more of those people got angry and motivated enough to strike back at their (real or perceived) oppressors in the form of what we'd call terrorist attacks? Are all of these people by definition pacifists and/or otherwise in some way incapable of carrying out such large or small scale attacks?

2. How can you tell when an attack is a "false flag"?
 
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Even if Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna were alive today and all passionately believed 9/11 was an inside job, so what?

None of them would be allowed to express their opinions on Fox News or anywhere else in the mainstream media, would they?

Even if they were allowed on the air with the likes of Hannity, Beck, or O'Reilly, they would be viciously ridiculed, labeled an unpatriotic, left wing radical sicko, and not be permitted to talk too much, wouldn't they? Of course.

General Douglas MacArthur expressed the real truth many years ago when he said, "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within."

Today, if General MacArthur said exactly the same words in this forum, many of you would arrogantly and ignorantly label him a "truther" too.
Although it does sound as though General MacArthur was talking about "truthers", I think he was actually talking about unpatriotic, left wing radical sicko forces that had "already so drastically altered the character of our free institutions — those institutions we proudly called the American way of life."

MacArthur's sentence (quoted in part by bwinwright, in part by myself) is taken from his speech to the Michigan legislature on 15 May 1951.

ETA: I haven't found the text of that speech online, but it was less than a month after his farewell speech to Congress on 19 April 1951, which was just nine days after Truman had relieved MacArthur of command in Korea.
 
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Good grief. Every time I think I understand exactly what a hugely inflated idea truthers have of themselves, something happens to make me realise that I'm not even close.
 
Even if Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna were alive today and all passionately believed 9/11 was an inside job, so what?

None of them would be allowed to express their opinions on Fox News or anywhere else in the mainstream media, would they?
Even if they were allowed on the air with the likes of Hannity, Beck, or O'Reilly, they would be viciously ridiculed, labeled an unpatriotic, left wing radical sicko, and not be permitted to talk too much, wouldn't they? Of course.

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I am not sure if you are saying that Richard Gage, the Architect of Destruction is the son of God

Or if you are saying that we will all miss the Second Coming if it doesn't get on Fox News

I think Richard is a saint but not a deity
 
I love this statement. Most of the folks who ridicule people simply because they want to know what really happened on 9/11 fall into this category. Of course, the folks who started all this "troofer" stuff are paid disinformation agents.

This is nothing new. About 200 years ago, President James Madison identified the really bad guys when he said, "History records that the money changers have used ever form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance."

Already dealt with in this post.
 
Even if Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna were alive today and all passionately believed 9/11 was an inside job, so what?

None of them would be allowed to express their opinions on Fox News or anywhere else in the mainstream media, would they?

Even if they were allowed on the air with the likes of Hannity, Beck, or O'Reilly, they would be viciously ridiculed, labeled an unpatriotic, left wing radical sicko, and not be permitted to talk too much, wouldn't they? Of course.

General Douglas MacArthur expressed the real truth many years ago when he said, "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within."

Today, if General MacArthur said exactly the same words in this forum, many of you would arrogantly and ignorantly label him a "truther" too.

Oh goddam, give it a brake will you?

Quoting some long dead person does not proof a conspiracy.
 
I love this statement. Most of the folks who ridicule people simply because they want to know what really happened on 9/11 fall into this category. Of course, the folks who started all this "troofer" stuff are paid disinformation agents.

This is nothing new. About 200 years ago, President James Madison identified the really bad guys when he said, "History records that the money changers have used ever form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance."

Paranoia big destroya!

You are too much.

TAM:)
 
I love this statement. Most of the folks who ridicule people simply because they want to know what really happened on 9/11 fall into this category. Of course, the folks who started all this "troofer" stuff are paid disinformation agents.
poisoning the wells? How about a citation? Will you be presenting the paper trail proving that the "folks who started all this "troofer" stuff are paid disinformation agents. "
or withdrawing your claim soon?
This is nothing new. About 200 years ago, President James Madison identified the really bad guys when he said, "History records that the money changers have used ever form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance."
appeal to Cliche thinking much bwinwright?
 
Hey are there any pictures of the piloting licenses that the hijackers received? I'm looking into it now but I kind of need them fast and was hoping someone here could link me to them if they exist on the internet.

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So far I've found Hanjour's
http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/643_hani_hanjour_pilot_license2050081722-10063-1.jpg

Maybe with the evidence at the Zacarias Moussaoui case?

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/
 
Good grief. Every time I think I understand exactly what a hugely inflated idea truthers have of themselves, something happens to make me realise that I'm not even close.

It's amazing,isn't it? Egos the size of planets,and for no good reason.A total lack of self-knowledge.
 
I am not sure if you are saying that Richard Gage, the Architect of Destruction is the son of God

Or if you are saying that we will all miss the Second Coming if it doesn't get on Fox News

I think Richard is a saint but not a deity

That is just quintessential parody,well done.
 
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