Survival

Naddig74 said:
No it's not evidence for your idea that animals 'heal themselves' by fasting. It is evidence for what other posters have already said, that animals who are ill stop eating and become less active.

I've owned many different pets, worked in wildlife sanctuaries and spent ten years in the hell that is the NHS.

In that time, whenever a person or animal stopped eating and we couldn't find a way to get nutrition in somehow, they generally went ahead and died.

Racking my brain, I can't think of more than one or two occasions when someone who had stopped taking food and fluids made any kind of recovery. It's happened, but it's rare. This is just anecdote of course.
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Sorry I am re-posting as I got one idea.

You have obseved that in many cases animals died due to not eating but in few cases they also recovered. Can we take it like that those animals which were underfed or fed normally died but those overfed(obese etc.) before sickness recovered?
 
Kumar said:
Sorry I am re-posting as I got one idea.

You have obseved that in many cases animals died due to not eating but in few cases they also recovered. Can we take it like that those animals which were underfed or fed normally died but those overfed(obese etc.) before sickness recovered?
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A well-fed animal is naturally more likely to survive a period of starvation than an already underfed one.

But no, over-eating doesn't cure cancer either.
 
Cancer Invest. 2009 Dec;27(10):1023-37.

Cell adhesion molecules: role and clinical significance in cancer.
Makrilia N, Kollias A, Manolopoulos L, Syrigos K.

Oncology Unit, 3rd Department of Medicine, Sotiria General Hospital, Athens School of Medicine, Greece.

Abstract
There is a growing body of evidence suggesting that alterations in the adhesion properties of neoplastic cells endow them with an invasive and migratory phenotype. Indeed, changes in the expression or function of cell adhesion molecules have been implicated in all steps of tumor progression, including detachment of tumor cells from the primary site, intravasation into the blood stream, extravasation into distant target organs, and formation of the secondary lesions. This review presents recent data regarding the role of cell adhesion molecules in tumor development and progress with concern to their clinical exploitation as potential biomarkers in neoplastic diseases.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19909018
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This is newer one. However, is it not one sided consideration?
 
PixyMisa said:
A well-fed animal is naturally more likely to survive a period of starvation than an already underfed one.

But no, over-eating doesn't cure cancer either.
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What about over-fed one? Will he not feel better & survive more on fasting?

Yes over-feeding may not benefit in any disorder.
 
paximperium said:
Yes.
No. garbage.
No.
No. Garbage. You have not even a basic understanding of medicine or physiology. Go read get an actual education.
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Lower quantity stimulation high quantity inhibition should be possible.
 
Kumar said:
Do you mean they don't cause cancer mutations directly?
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Carcinogens often just increase the risk of mutations, which indirectly increases the risk of cancer mutations, yes. Some carcinogens can be targeted, and induce mutations at particular sites. But having one mutation at a "cancer gene" does not automatically mean you will get cancer.
 
Kumar said:
A senier stem cell therapy practiciner. Just trust me that he said like it.
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Well, since no scientific medical doctor currently practices stem cell therapy, since it has not been approved, then I am going to call what you say either a lie, or your quote is from someone who is not scientific, and are themselves lying. So either you provide the name of the "senier practiciner", or will ignore the comment as irrelevant.
 
Kumar said:
Do cancer cells use signaling molecule for Quorum sensing mechnism?
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Human cells have a mechanism called contact inhibition. When the cells grow very dense and touch each other, they sense this and know to stop growing. Cancer cells escape from this mechanism and will continue to grow.
 
Taffer said:
Well, since no scientific medical doctor currently practices stem cell therapy, since it has not been approved, then I am going to call what you say either a lie, or your quote is from someone who is not scientific, and are themselves lying. So either you provide the name of the "senier practiciner", or will ignore the comment as irrelevant.
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Surprising?? You can find hundred sites on medical doctors practicing stem cell therapies. I had also posted few sites.

One such site;
http://www.stemcelltherapies.org/
 
ThunderChunky said:
Human cells have a mechanism called contact inhibition. When the cells grow very dense and touch each other, they sense this and know to stop growing. Cancer cells escape from this mechanism and will continue to grow.
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Thanks. Then how adhesion is related to cancer?
 
Kumar said:
What about over-fed one? Will he not feel better & survive more on fasting?

Yes over-feeding may not benefit in any disorder.
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During WW2, the Nazis conducted a large-scale 'experiment' with starvation. It was called concentration camps. Experience showed that slim, fit persons survived the ordeal best. Undernourished AND obese persons died faster.

Dieting can be good for you. Short fasting periods (up to 24 hours) won't hurt you, provided you don't gorge yourself afterwards in reaction. Prolonged fasting is harmful. Period.

Hans
 
Kumar said:
You have forgotten Insulin Resistance.
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I was asking about things you had discovered. You have not discovered insulin resistance, and you have not discovered anything new about insulin resistance. In fact, I don't think you even understood insulin resistance.

Hans
 
PixyMisa said:
Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck...
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Quack.

I took a look at the almost endless list of disease they claimed to be able to cure. If that was true, it would be headlines all over the world.

Diabetes is on the list. I work for the world's leading producer of diabetes care products; if there was a cure for diabetes, I'd have heard about it. And if we hadn't discovered it, our stocks would be plummeting. They aren't exactly.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
During WW2, the Nazis conducted a large-scale 'experiment' with starvation. It was called concentration camps. Experience showed that slim, fit persons survived the ordeal best. Undernourished AND obese persons died faster.

Dieting can be good for you. Short fasting periods (up to 24 hours) won't hurt you, provided you don't gorge yourself afterwards in reaction. Prolonged fasting is harmful. Period.

Hans
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Thanks.
Undernourished can die due to long fasting. Obese should be unhealthy due to excessives. Moreover somewhat withdrawl effect can also cause odd effects. Probaly systematic fasting under proper medical care may help without fatality. Obiously, homeostatis should be best, neither defficiency nor excesses. Still this field can be better explored for natural cure.
 
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