Survival

[Kumar]

I was asking about things you had discovered. You have not discovered insulin resistance, and you have not discovered anything new about insulin resistance. In fact, I don't think you even understood insulin resistance.

Hans

I just feel, it is due to excesseve & continual insulin exposure to target cells resulting down-regulation of insulin's receptors on target cells in type2 after getting saturation of energy stores--fats etc. There can also be some other reasons, but I think it should be the main reason currently.

 

[LandR]

I was thinking that can it be possible if a cancer patient starve just to pre death level, can he be cured?

Oh **** me!

 

[Naddig74]

Sorry I am re-posting as I got one idea.

You have obseved that in many cases animals died due to not eating but in few cases they also recovered. Can we take it like that those animals which were underfed or fed normally died but those overfed(obese etc.) before sickness recovered?

No. They very very few survivors recovered because of medical interventions.

 

[Kumar]

Quack.

I took a look at the almost endless list of disease they claimed to be able to cure. If that was true, it would be headlines all over the world.

Diabetes is on the list. I work for the world's leading producer of diabetes care products; if there was a cure for diabetes, I'd have heard about it. And if we hadn't discovered it, our stocks would be plummeting. They aren't exactly.

Hans

So many other(more than 100) also suggest somewhat similarily. One of my known person taking it for spinal injury with slight posivive results as yet. However it is still on early stage, but I don't know if fraud as you say, how such a serious fraud can exist in front of strict controlling agencies?

 

[Naddig74]

Probaly systematic fasting under proper medical care may help without fatality.

No. No. Noitty-No-McNo. And his mate Mr No.

 

[Kumar]

No. They very very few survivors recovered because of medical interventions.

Thanks. What about systemetic fastings under medical care? Can this help to cure?

 

[Kumar]

No. No. Noitty-No-McNo. And his mate Mr No.

Sorry you already replied before my 2nd posting appeared.

 

[dafydd]

Thanks. What about systemetic fastings under medical care? Can this help to cure?

Are you really a doctor? I find that very hard to believe.

 

[Kumar]

Are you really a doctor? I find that very hard to believe.

No.

 

[Naddig74]

Kumar. To stop the endless 'What about...' posts lets cut to the chase here.

There is no situation in which fasting will be a beneficial thing to any animal or human.

Even if you just want to lose weight, fasting is the wrong way to go about it. Any being which operates on the biological principles that govern all life on earth needs a regular supply of nourishment to survive.

The only situation in which medical professionals withhold food and fluids is if a patient is certain to die anyway, unconscious and fading fast, and prolonging the process would be unethical.

A diseased body needs more nutrition not less.

 

[Taffer]

Surprising?? You can find hundred sites on medical doctors practicing stem cell therapies. I had also posted few sites.

One such site;
http://www.stemcelltherapies.org/

I will say again, no stem cell treatments have been shown to be effective in clinical trials. Now, will you tell me the name of the person you were corresponding with?

 

[Kumar]

Kumar. To stop the endless 'What about...' posts lets cut to the chase here.

There is no situation in which fasting will be a beneficial thing to any animal or human.

Even if you just want to lose weight, fasting is the wrong way to go about it. Any being which operates on the biological principles that govern all life on earth needs a regular supply of nourishment to survive.

The only situation in which medical professionals withhold food and fluids is if a patient is certain to die anyway, unconscious and fading fast, and prolonging the process would be unethical.

A diseased body needs more nutrition not less.

Thanks for technical informations. There are some religious practices which suggest progressive fasting upto death & discontinuing all activities. I don't understand, if it is for peaceful death or for some cure.
"Santhara (also Sallekhana, Santhara, Samadhi-marana, Samnyasa-marana), is the Jain religious ritual of voluntary death by fasting"

It looks quite unethical.

 

[Kumar]

I will say again, no stem cell treatments have been shown to be effective in clinical trials. Now, will you tell me the name of the person you were corresponding with?

 

[Taffer]

Thanks.
Undernourished can die due to long fasting. Obese should be unhealthy due to excessives. Moreover somewhat withdrawl effect can also cause odd effects. Probaly systematic fasting under proper medical care may help without fatality. Obiously, homeostatis should be best, neither defficiency nor excesses. Still this field can be better explored for natural cure.

Fasting cures nothing.

 

[Taffer]

So you will not tell us which "practitioner" of stem cell therapy told you this? Are you then willing to admit you lied?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Thanks.
Undernourished can die due to long fasting. Obese should be unhealthy due to excessives. Moreover somewhat withdrawl effect can also cause odd effects. Probaly systematic fasting under proper medical care may help without fatality. Obiously, homeostatis should be best, neither defficiency nor excesses. Still this field can be better explored for natural cure.

Kumar, you have a nasty habit of doing this:

You get an idea, and ask about it.
People explain why it won't work.
Then you conclude that it might work anyway.

Now get this: Fasting to any considerable extent is not a feasible treatment for anything. End of story, and live with it.

Hans

 

[Taffer]

So many other(more than 100) also suggest somewhat similarily. One of my known person taking it for spinal injury with slight posivive results as yet. However it is still on early stage, but I don't know if fraud as you say, how such a serious fraud can exist in front of strict controlling agencies?

And yet, there are no clinical trials, it has not been approved by the various medical boards, and even the researchers admit it is still in the development phase.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Thanks for technical informations. There are some religious practices which suggest progressive fasting upto death & discontinuing all activities. I don't understand, if it is for peaceful death or for some cure.
"Santhara (also Sallekhana, Santhara, Samadhi-marana, Samnyasa-marana), is the Jain religious ritual of voluntary death by fasting"

It looks quite unethical.

This may shock you, but religions are generally not very ethical.

They also very often don't make any sense.

Hans

 

[Naddig74]

Thanks for technical informations. There are some religious practices which suggest progressive fasting upto death & discontinuing all activities. ..

ie 'Until you die.'

I don't understand, if it is for peaceful death or for some cure..

Unless you consider 'dead' as 'cured.'

"Santhara (also Sallekhana, Santhara, Samadhi-marana, Samnyasa-marana), is the Jain religious ritual of voluntary death by fasting"

It looks quite unethical.

Also called 'suicide.'

 

[Kumar]

So you will not tell us which "practitioner" of stem cell therapy told you this? Are you then willing to admit you lied?

No but I am not telling due to respect & honour disclaimer. Apply your mind dynamically.