Jewish dance group stoned in Hanover, Germany

bigjelmapro said:
Nonesense. I'm using the term 'stone' since it doesn't make judgements on size as pebble does. Yet you seem inclined to use the truncated industrial term of Kies.

For the rest gloss over...
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Kies is not the industrial term............ stop making stuff up or pull it our of you rearopening.

Kies is the usual term used to describe gravel.

and in english i used the term Stone, even tho when you translate the german news articles, i should actually be using gravel...........
 
bigjelmapro said:
Hypocrite, not exactly a legal term, but yet again, inapplicable in this case.
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you are an hypocrit.

you have no trouble with the titel using the word stoning, even as there was no stoning. but you have huge troubles with my use of my mother language. because i dont use the term you would like me to use, which you think is correct.

Stoning isnt correct either. nobody got stoned.........
 
davefoc said:
An interesting question by itself, I think. On one level, several young Islamic kids threw rocks (probably small but perhaps not) at some Jewish dancers of uncertain origin (Germany or Israel or someplace else). It was a horrible action but still it is below the level of violence or consequence of something that is likely to be reported outside the locality in Germany. Nonetheless the incident seems to be a significant event in that it is probably representative of other similar kinds of events in Germany between immigrant Palestinians and Jewish people.

Some things that have been or might be discussed about the incident that seem somewhat interesting to me:
1. How did this event gain enough international exposure that it came to be the subject of a thread on JREF?
2. Is the event actually representative of the kinds of tension between Jews and Palestinian immigrants in Germany or was it an isolated event?
3. What role did the Palestinian/Israeli conflict play in creating the atmosphere in the Palestinian community that some kids were moved to commit this act of violence?
4. What were the actual facts concerning the incident? How big were the projectiles? How intensely were they thrown? Was it discernible whether the attack was an attempt to injure people or was the attack more of an attempt to harass the dancers.
5. Were the kids interviewed? Did the give any indication as to what motivated them to do this if they were interviewed and their statements have been made public?
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It's a hate crime, and it is an indication of the emotions brewing among certain populations.

Some years a ago a couple of immigrant workers (Indian?) wandered into a beer garden in the former East Germany and got attacked by a big group of drunken racist yokels.
They actually had to run and barricade themselves in a house , literally fighting off the crowd until the police came to relieve them.

That is not a significant event in the geo-political sense. But it gives a very shocking insight in the mentality of the attackers. The level of hate and ignorance brewing under the surface.

THAT is the interesting aspect of such events, THAT makes it newsworthy.

I'm sure the good people here would rather discuss the thickness of the rope with which they wanted to hang them vs the average body-weight of Indian IT-workers. Or perhaps the fairness of Siemens hiring people who had actually bothered to learn computer languages over unemployed drunken brick-layers, leading to understandable frustration among the latter group. Or perhaps that the Indians should have grown a pair and lynched the drunken mob to teach them a lesson.
 
DC said:
you are an hypocrit.

you have no trouble with the titel using the word stoning, even as there was no stoning. but you have huge troubles with my use of my mother language. because i dont use the term you would like me to use, which you think is correct.

Stoning isnt correct either. nobody got stoned.........
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Title is stoned, which even if only several stones were thrown, would suffice for using the term stoned, unless they were all smokin massive blunts. If the title was 'stoning', which is a form of ancient execution, then I would have issues with it. But this simply isn't the case.

The issue is using the full term, not your stubborness in using the truncated, industrial term (of which you provided an industrial brochure pdf to boot), of 'stone' which by itself does not indicate size as pebble does. 'Pebble' is a subset of 'stone' and does indicate size. (A difference of .07 and 2.5 inches is quite a difference)

So no hypocrisy, try again.

I can keep stating the same core issues until you finally address them.
 
but i am at least happy i was able to teach bigjelmapro something.

I'm using the term 'stone' since it doesn't make judgements on size as pebble does.
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atleast you learned that pebble / Kies does indeed say something about the size.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Title is stoned, which even if only several stones were thrown, would suffice for using the term stoned, unless they were all smokin massive blunts. If the title was 'stoning', which is a form of ancient execution, then I would have issues with it. But this simply isn't the case.

The issue is using the full term, not your stubborness in using the truncated, industrial term (of which you provided an industrial brochure pdf to boot), of 'stone' which by itself does not indicate size as pebble does. 'Pebble' is a subset of 'stone' and does indicate size. (A difference of .07 and 2.5 inches is quite a difference)

So no hypocrisy, try again.

I can keep stating the same core issues until you finally address them.
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:rolleyes:

Kies is not an industrial term............................
i merely linked to the PDF to show that we use Kies rather than Kieselsteine in daily live......

why dont you quit making things up?
 
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Childlike Empress said:
They were liberal jews from Hannover but were announced as performing "Israeli dances". The kids (between 9 and 15) threw "Kieselsteine", which my translator translates to "pebbles".
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These stones don't look like pebbles to me:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...ims-stone-israeli-dance-group-in-germany.html

Are those photos of this event?

Where did you find that description, using "pebbles", if that's what "Kieselsteine" means? Seems pretty deceptive.
 
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DC said:
why do you always feel that need to put words in other peoples mouth?
or let it look like they say something they clearly did not say?

straw fetish?
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1) You seem to not get sarcastic humor in English very often :) What is your native language?

2) Maybe people are starting to put words in her mouth because she never answered the question of the relevance of the nationalities of the stone-throwers - a question asked of her several times.
 
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Resolver said:
These stones don't look like pebbles to me:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...ims-stone-israeli-dance-group-in-germany.html

Are those photos of this event?

Where did you find that description, using "pebbles", if that's what "Kieselsteine" means? Seems pretty deceptive.
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in the german press they are descibed as Kieselsteine, which translates to gravel or pebble.

btw, nice homepage you linked to.
Everywhere Muslims live with non-Muslims, there is conflict. The bigger the Muslim population, the bigger the conflict.
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Resolver said:
These stones don't look like pebbles to me:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...ims-stone-israeli-dance-group-in-germany.html

Are those photos of this event?
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Almost certainly not. The nutjob blog has the image from (or uses the same as) a german nutjob blog called "Politically Incorrect". There's no larger version available. Difficult to judge, but doesn't look like Hannover to me, more like Gaza. Compare it to the picture of the place where the incident happened, in the local newspaper HAZ. Deceptive? The usual mode of PI.

Resolver said:
Where did you find that description, using "pebbles", if that's what "Kieselsteine" means? Seems pretty deceptive.
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There was a link in my post. We already found out that my translator was absolutely correct in translating Kieselsteine to pebbles. The HAZ article linked above contains this:

Die Steine stammen offenbar von einem großen Haufen kleinerer und größerer Kiesel, der auch am Dienstag noch am Rand des Sahlkampmarktes lag.
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"smaller and larger pebbles"

FTR, i'm not interested in defending those stupid kids, i condemn all violence. I care about facts.
 
Resolver said:
1) You seem to not get sarcastic humor in English very often :) What is your native language?

2) Maybe people are starting to put words in her mouth because she never answered the question of the relevance of the nationalities of the stone-throwers - a question asked of her several times.
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i know his loaded "Humor"

my native language is German.

i dont know what the relevance is to her, to me it is relevant in attempting to understand where that hatred comes from.
 
DC said:
i dont know what the relevance is to her, to me it is relevant in attempting to understand where that hatred comes from.
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It's obviously relevant to understanding the event. I don't care to explain it to them, davefoc has posted some good summaries.

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Edited for civility.
 
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DC said:
in the german press they are descibed as Kieselsteine, which translates to gravel or pebble.

btw, nice homepage you linked to.
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I saw that picture from Thunder's post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6069722#post6069722

I think the statement in the post you took issue with is probably overstated:

"Everywhere Muslims live with non-Muslims, there is conflict. The bigger the Muslim population, the bigger the conflict"?

But I'm not sure by how much. There does seem to be some correlation. Do you disagree?
 
Childlike Empress said:
It's obviously relevant to understanding the event. I don't care to explain it to them, davefoc has posted some good summaries.

btw DC, seen that HAZ uses "Kiesel" too? bigjelmaprostein won't be amused.... :D
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im sure he is still debating the nuts from the Duden, he is propably still trying to convince them that the proper term is Kieselsteine and not Kies. :D
 
Childlike Empress said:
It's obviously relevant to understanding the event. I don't care to explain it to them, davefoc has posted some good summaries.

btw DC, seen that HAZ uses "Kiesel" too? bigjelmaprostein won't be amused.... :D
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Or ever admit he was wrong. Worse than me and thats saying something.
 
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