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I don't know that the implication from the article is that the murderer escaped through Meredith's window. It could have been referring to the window already broken in Filomena's room. As to the bars on the Meredith's window - Amanda and Filomena didn't have bars, not sure about Meredith's. It is possible that the Italian to English translation could account for misinformation about the crime scene.

Journalist's didn't necessarily have to get all information from the police (with the exception of Raffaele's partial statement of 5 November and Amanda's 5:45 statement - those probably were from police sources unless the media have access to those documents legally). Journalists were asking questions of many involved.

As for misinformation in the beginning - that happens in almost every investigation (or news event). As the investigation evolves some evidence is discarded and some new evidence is found and statements are clarified.

No, I'm pretty sure the early articles were suggesting that Meredith's door was locked from the inside and the killer escaped through the window. I think this is also part of the defence's appeal, because they argue Rudy knew it was Filomena's window despite some of the early reports suggesting the window was Meredith's.

Read the first article Corriere published on the case. I think the door being locked from the inside is repeated in articles from quite a bit later on, too.
 
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I'm not positive that Raffaele mixed up the events from 31 October/1 November. It would be good to compare his prior statements with his last statement which made him a suspect. Same with Amanda.

Just a theory, of course, but there are marked similarities. Raffaele said he and Amanda were in town at about 5 or 6 in the afternoon, as they were on 31 October, but not the next evening; since that was before the murder, he didn't have any reason to lie about it. He said he and Amanda were out till 9, when they separated and she went to Le Chic to meet friends, while he went home. Again, this happened on 31 October, not 1 November. He went out later with his face painted with an abstract figure, whatever the heck that means, but he would've known that definitely happened on Halloween so it wouldn't have featured in a mixed up recollection confusing the two nights.
 
Agreed. And as I've said before, from my point of view it might even be that AK and RS were somehow involved in the murder. But I believe that the prosecution may not have met its burden of proof for conviction of the pair - owing to the dubious and questionable quality of the evidence against them.

I understand that you're trying to remain open minded, but there’d only be room for equivocation if there was any chance this was a premeditated or cold-blooded murder, that it was part of some larger conspiracy.

It manifestly wasn’t (see, for example, Steve Moore’s appraisal). Saying “it might even be that AK and RS were somehow involved in the murder” is in, my opinion, like saying someone “might be a bit pregnant”.

Amanda’s only ‘culpability’ is of having been prepared to leave Meredith on her own in the cottage for a couple of days, which some might see as knowingly putting her in danger. Perhaps this is legitimate criticism, but there were what, five or six other people living in the cottage? and Meredith wasn’t forced to stay there on her own, in fact she was advised by at least one of her friends not to.

However, it occurs to me that Meredith’s family might have felt anger toward Amanda on account of this, and their hostility might partly explain their acquiescence to the prosecution’s vilification of her.

I’ve felt tinges of irritation myself at some of Amanda’s more gauche behaviour (her ‘ditziness’, as it’s been called) – the toe-curling ‘smooching’ (as some saw it) outside the cottage and in front of the cameras, her allowing herself to be questioned for DAYS without it occurring to her to get legal advice (although it still astounds me that NO-ONE thought to tell her that it might be a good idea.), failing to realise she was pissing off the authoritarians in court with her lack of overt deference or reverence for the hallowed institution, etc.
 
I've been kind of hesitant to post in this thread -- after thousands of posts by people far more knowledgeable about the particulars of the case, what could I possibly add that would be new and relevant? But then it occurred to me that I can in fact add something of possible value to the discussion: I may serve as an example of the type of person who must be persuaded in sufficient numbers in order to provide the kind of groundswell of public support that may help Amanda Knox walk free. When I first heard about the case, I was pretty much neutral, perhaps leaning just a bit towards the perception that Ms. Knox was being railroaded, or at least being treated unfairly. Since then, I have pretty much formed an opinion, and it's this:

She did it. Amanda Knox played an active and deliberate role in the death of Meredith Kercher. Precisely what role she played, and (perhaps more mystifyingly) why she played that role, is still a matter of some conjecture. Which of course is unfortunate; we humans are intellectually adverse to gaps in our knowledge, and thus the case as it now stands is unsatisfying. But the fact that these points remain elusive -- perhaps, for all I know, to Ms. Knox herself -- does not dissuade me from my belief in her guilt. Pre-Copernican humanity may not have known why the Sun rises in the east, but that didn't prevent them from being comfortably certain that it did.

I suspect at this point many Knox supporters have already written me off, and may in fact read no further. I will nevertheless explain why I believe she's guilty, because I really think they need to consider my points if they ever hope to persuade large numbers of rational people to their cause. My belief is based on two major things: (1) The theory that Knox is guilty is consistent with the preponderance of the evidence, and (2) The tactics used by Knox supporters are consistent with those used by people who know very well their position is unsupportable. I know the second point will likely be received as rather insulting by at least some of Knox's supporters, but I think it's crucial: In many ways, they have done Amanda Knox's cause very little good, and if they hope to reverse that (and one would imagine that they would) they need to adopt different tactics and arguments.

Let's look at my first point. I know that vast amounts of time have been spent in this thread examining minutia and offering ideas and speculation on what each piece of evidence could mean, how it might differ from what the police maintained happened, and how it could be open to interpretation. But ultimately, that's a rather sterile and short-sighted approach. Instead, I think one needs to look at the "gestalt" of the evidence, and consider the overarching story it may be telling. And in my view, it's no contest. On the one hand, you can interpret the evidence as pointing very strongly -- beyond a reasonable doubt -- that Knox is guilty. On the other hand, to assume Knox is innocent you have to accept a highly implausible and convoluted scenario in which extremely unlikely events occur, police and legal officials engage in a corrupt (and seemingly motivationless) conspiracy, and defendents are impossibly unlucky and/or inexplicably lie when the truth would save them. Try as I might, I just can't conceive a tortured, bizarre plot that both fits the evidence and exonerates Knox. Argue about arcane evidentiary points all you like, but until someone comes up with a viable alternative story that doesn't require a priori assumption of Knox's innocence, her supporters really have nothing to offer.

This segues into my second point. Throughout this thread, Knox's supporters frankly have behaved much like conspiracy theorists. Like CTers, they focus on minutia, and ignore the "big picture." They attach importance to possibilities, rather than likelihoods. They repeatedly raise issues that have been previously discussed and addressed. They make statements and then appear to put the onus on others to disprove them. And perhaps most telling of all, they often appear utterly immune to all counter arguments, acting as though Knox must be innocent, no matter what evidence is presented. It's become a matter of faith.

A sympathetic interpretation of this conduct is that Knox's supporters are so convinced that she is incapable of murder, there must be some alternate explanation, however improbable. A less charitable view would be that they know all too well that Knox is guilty, but simply don't care -- the goal isn't "Justice for Amanda," it's "Freedom for Amanda." Assuming the latter interpretation, much of what's gone on in this thread can be seen as something akin to "informational graffiti," intended not for the consumption of JREF members, but rather for members of the general public who, when doing a web search on the Knox case, might find this thread -- and thereby come to understand that despite some of the things that have been presented in the popular press, the case against Knox is in fact based on very strong evidence, and that she is almost certainly guilty. So rather than allow such evidence to go unchallenged, supporters have come here and engaged in the forum equivalent of "shouting down the speaker," posting content not intended to offer anything new or relevant, but rather to dilute the overall message of Knox's guilt -- and thus making it more difficult for the casual reader to find it.

Perhaps this is not the intent of Knox supporters. All I can say is that many of them have acted in a way perfectly consistent with the scenario I have described above -- in short, like CTers, like people more concerned with winning an argument than in determining the truth. To change this perception, I'd suggest that if Knox supporters are really interested in persuading people like me, people who avoid knee-jerk responses and look beyond the superficial before making up their minds, you must jettison your usual tactics and work on devising a coherent, comprehensive, and above all plausible theory about what really happened to Ms. Kercher; a theory that encompassess all the facts without cherry picking and tossing out the inconvenient ones. If you really make a good faith effort to do this (as I did -- and recall, I was originally leaning more towards Knox's innocence than guilt), you may well find yourself questioning your own convictions and beliefs.
 
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Any word yet on how Amanda knew about the sexual assault before the police did?

"Amanda knew about the sexual assault before the police did?". That's a Lie.

I've always had some issues with the precise timing of the events between the Polizia finding the pair at the crimescene and and the discovery of Meredith's body. We know for certain the calls were made before the discovery but not that they were made before the Polizia were observable at the top of the drive from someone standing where the two were found.
You seem to be suggesting that either-

one of the two was busy “cleaning” while the other kept watch in front, because they just had, you know, a feeling the police might turn up at any time. Why would that of been? Who did they think might call the cops?

or they’d finished their chores (except, err….) and were chilling out in front when they spotted a police car in the distance - the postal police, in no hurry, no lights, no siren - and they immediately thought - “◊◊◊◊, a police car, we must be blown - quick, Raff, get your ass inside and dial the cops”

It makes me feel slightly ridiculous even typing it out.

RoseMontague Other parts of [Quintavalle's] testimony are cast in doubt by other witnesses including an employee of his and one of the police investigators.
You keep saying this as though it is doubtful that he knew what or who he saw and that he is directly contradicted by Volturno and Chiriboga. I thought it was not even yet confirmed that what you have in your possession is a list of appeal points, that it is not publicly available, and that it is addressing points plucked out of court testimony rather than the conclusions elaborated in the motivations report.

What do you mean? That Quintavalle has any doubt? Or that he is doubted?

There most certainly is doubt “that he knew what or who he saw [sic]”, given he "recalled" it over a year after the murder (edit >> right down to the exact clothes AK and RS wore - incuding a coat of a colour Amanda never owned), but had singularly failed to do so at the time, when explicitly questioned by police.

And yes, he is “directly contradicted by Volturno and Chiriboga”.

Volturno interviewed him in the days after the murder and got nothing.

But more importantly, Chiriboga came forward with the express purpose of “directly contradicting” him.
Quintavalle was blatantly “confabulating”. The only question is why he did so.
 
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I think you should turn your attention to Filomena. Filomena said in court she was "shocked" after Amanda's first phone call, yet she didn't bother starting for home till the second phone call. She also called her boyfriend and asked him to go to the cottage, even though she had his car! (he had to go find a mate with a car to take him there). She claimed the first phone call happened at 12.35 and the second at 12.45; in reality, they happened at 12.11 and 12.36. Not once did she attempt to call Meredith's phones herself, and despite being the main tenant, she left it to the 20 year old foreign student who didn't know the difference between Carabinieri and postal police and spoke poor Italian to call the police. When she finally arrived home (nearly an hour after the first phone call, though she was only a few miles away and had a car; claims she 'couldn't find it'! A ruse?) she was again terribly shocked but made an inappropriate joke about the burglars being "stupid" for not taking anything. Then after Meredith's body was discovered, she seemed mainly interested in going back inside to recover her laptop, despite knowing - as a trainee lawyer - that taking objects from a crime scene is not the most sensible idea. To top it all off, she's the main source for glass being on top of the things in her room, despite the photographs contradicting her.

Very suspicious, no?


Excellent post, Katy. This really sums up what's wrong with the logic most people use when convincing themselves of why they think Amanda is guilty. But, I think you forgot one of Filomena's most "suspicious" activities: She claims she told Amanda to call the police, and that Amanda responded she already had when she hadn't... in actuality, Paola, who was listening to their conversation testified that Filomena said no such thing to Amanda! Dun-dun-dun!

I'm sure the irony will be lost on some.


Eminently worthy of a bump.
 
Well, in as much as all Italians are. Compared to Mignini he’s positively taciturn.

I met Frank in Perugia and it was not a positive experience for either of us. It's ironic, because I have a lot of respect for the man. He sees that outside critics are creating a lot of resentment and bitterness within Perugia - a backlash of reactionary support for Mignini and the system. He's right. But the furor isn't going to die down until they cut Amanda and Raffaele loose. It was the same way in Wenatchee in the 1990s. "Perez is a hero, these lawyers from Seattle have their heads up their ass, blah blah blah..." In fact, Perez was a grandiose lunatic, and I think people see that now, even if they didn't see it then.
 
I met Frank in Perugia and it was not a positive experience for either of us. It's ironic, because I have a lot of respect for the man. He sees that outside critics are creating a lot of resentment and bitterness within Perugia - a backlash of reactionary support for Mignini and the system. He's right. But the furor isn't going to die down until they cut Amanda and Raffaele loose. It was the same way in Wenatchee in the 1990s. "Perez is a hero, these lawyers from Seattle have their heads up their ass, blah blah blah..." In fact, Perez was a grandiose lunatic, and I think people see that now, even if they didn't see it then.

That's interesting to hear. Was there a 'language barrier' at all?

I can understand that Italians, and Perugians in paticular would be pissed off with what some "outside critics" are saying, but I'm afraid to say they've earnt it. I saw the footage outside the court when Amanda was taken away after the verdict, and it was truly sickening.

Their hearts could hardly become any more hardened toward AK than they have been, and frankly I think they need to grow up.
 
Perhaps this is not the intent of Knox supporters. All I can say is that many of them have acted in a way perfectly consistent with the scenario I have described above -- in short, like CTers, like people more concerned with winning an argument than in determining the truth. To change this perception, I'd suggest that if Knox supporters are really interested in persuading people like me, people who avoid knee-jerk responses and look beyond the superficial before making up their minds, you must jettison your usual tactics and work on devising a coherent, comprehensive, and above all plausible theory about what really happened to Ms. Kercher; a theory that encompassess all the facts without cherry picking and tossing out the inconvenient ones. If you really make a good faith effort to do this (as I did -- and recall, I was originally leaning more towards Knox's innocence than guilt), you may well find yourself questioning your own convictions and beliefs.

OK, I will take on this challenge. In my scenario, this was a disorganized, unplanned sexual homicide like hundreds that occur throughout the world every year. It happened as follows:

9:00 PM - Guede breaks the window in Filomena Romanelli’s room and uses it to gain entry, using either the planter box adjacent to the window or the bars on the downstairs window as a starting point.

9:15 PM - Guede is using the toilet in the large bathroom when Meredith arrives home. That is why it was not flushed. He did not want to alert her to his presence.

9:20 PM - Armed with a small pocketknife, Guede sneaks up on Meredith and attacks her in her room. She struggles desperately, but he overpowers her and cuts her throat.

9:25 PM - When the struggle is over, he moves her out of the pool of blood, removes most of her clothing, and assaults her sexually, leaving his epithelial DNA inside her vagina.

9:40 PM - He goes into the small bathroom where he cleans himself up. He removes his right shoe, which is soaked through with blood, and rinses it under the bidet. This is why police found the victim’s blood in the bidet. He puts his exposed foot down on the bathmat to steady himself, leaving a bloody print.

9:45 PM - He puts his shoe back on and returns to Meredith’s room, where he pulls the duvet from the bed and spreads it over her body. He goes through her purse, and he takes her money along with two cell phones that he discards on the way back to his apartment.

9:50 PM - He exits the room, locking the door behind him. He leaves bloody shoe prints inside the room and a trail of shoe prints leading down the corridor to the exit.

Under my scenario, the evidence against Amanda and Raffaele is either the result of contamination or else meaningless forensic data that would have been present even if no crime had occurred. But, if you believe this evidence means something, I would challenge you to come up with a scenario that explains it, as follows:

1. The knife from Raffaele's kitchen with Amanda's DNA on the handle and Meredith's DNA on the blade, which fits one of the wounds on Meredith's neck but not the other two.
2. The bra fastener with Raffaele's DNA on the hook.
3. The bloody footprint in the bathmat attributed to Raffaele.
4. Luminol footprints in the corridor:
- one just outside Meredith's door with the toes pointing toward that door, attributed to Amanda.
- one just outside Amanda's door, with the toes pointing toward the kitchen.
5. A shapeless luminol reaction in Filomena's room that revealed Amanda's DNA mixed with Meredith's DNA.
6. The mixed DNA of Amanda and Meredith in the bathroom and in a luminol shoe print in the hallway.
6. Inconsistencies and falsehoods in their statements to police.

This is the "mountain of evidence" in brief. Take this evidence and fit it into a plausible narrative, one that explains why the knife from Sollecito's kitchen was taken to the cottage and back, how the luminol footprints ended up in the places they were found, how Amanda's DNA came to be mixed with Meredith's DNA in the bathroom, in Filomena's room, and in the hallway shoe print. Tell us what Amanda's role was in the murder, what Raffaele's role was, and how it happened that Raffaele left his DNA on the metal hook of the bra fastener.

This narrative should also take into account the evidence against Guede:

1. Guede’s DNA inside Meredith’s body.
2. Guede’s DNA on the sleeve of Meredith's sweatshirt and on her bra.
3. Guede’s DNA on a purse inside the room where she was killed.
4. Guede’s fingerprints, made with Meredith's blood, on a pillow in the room where she was killed.
5. Bloody shoe prints in the murder room and the corridor, matching the size and model of Nike shoes for which the police found an empty box in Guede’s apartment, and which Guede has admitted he left at the scene.
6. Guede's feces in the toilet of the larger bathroom shared by Laura and Filomena.
 
That's interesting to hear. Was there a 'language barrier' at all?

I can understand that Italians, and Perugians in paticular would be pissed off with what some "outside critics" are saying, but I'm afraid to say they've earnt it. I saw the footage outside the court when Amanda was taken away after the verdict, and it was truly sickening.

Their hearts could hardly become any more hardened toward AK than they have been, and frankly I think they need to grow up.

There was no language barrier. I don't know a word of Italian, but Frank has a full and fluent grasp of English.
 
I may serve as an example of the type of person who must be persuaded in sufficient numbers in order to provide the kind of groundswell of public support that may help Amanda Knox walk free.

Whether Knox walks free won't have as much to do with any "groundswell of public support" as it has to do with the evidence, or lack of it.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by special pleading. If you think this mixed DNA is incriminating, what does it mean? What activity caused Amanda's DNA to become mixed with Meredith's DNA on the floor of Filomena's room?

They did luminol tests in Raffaele's apartment too, and they found his DNA mixed with Amanda's in the bathroom and in the bedroom. What does it prove?

Charlie do you know what was attributed (if anything) the mixed DNA of Amanda and Raffaele?

There was also a pair of gloves with the mixed DNA of Amanda and Raffaele, correct?
 
Stellafane,

You are entitled to your opinion. You have certainly thought this out and reached a conclusion. From your statement below, It is quite obvious that you are misguided.

"to assume Knox is innocent you have to accept a highly implausible and convoluted scenario in which extremely unlikely events occur, police and legal officials engage in a corrupt (and seemingly motivationless) conspiracy, and defendants are impossibly unlucky and/or inexplicably lie when the truth would save them. Try as I might, I just can't conceive a tortured, bizarre plot that both fits the evidence and exonerates Knox. Argue about arcane evidentiary points all you like, but until someone comes up with a viable alternative story that doesn't require a priori assumption of Knox's innocence, her supporters really have nothing to offer."

Your statement makes is very clear that you are actually the one that has not stepped back and looked at the big picture. This was a horrible crime but it wasn't a complicated one. Rudy Guede broke into the cottage, attacked and murdered Meredith Kercher and he fled the country. The evidence clearly shows this. This case became complicated when the authorities brought two innocent people into the equation.
 
Stilicho,

Thank you for informing us that your opinion is heavily influenced by Harry Rag. If your source is Harry Rag (the machine), then there really is nothing left to say.
 
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Charlie do you know what was attributed (if anything) the mixed DNA of Amanda and Raffaele?

There was also a pair of gloves with the mixed DNA of Amanda and Raffaele, correct?

I think the position of the prosecution is that the mixed DNA shows that both Meredith and Amanda were bleeding at the same time. In Darkness Descending, Luciano Garofano, who is billed as a forensics expert, says the mixed DNA had to have been from the blood of both Amanda and Meredith because only blood makes such high peaks on an electropherogram. I have consulted a forensic DNA expert who says this is nonsense. And indeed, this claim is undermined by other non-blood samples from this investigation that showed peaks as high as any in the mixed DNA samples.

As for the gloves... yes, a pair of fuschia colored rubber kitchen gloves in Sollecito's apartment was tested, and it revealed the DNA of both Amanda and Raffaele. I'm not aware that the prosecution has tried to attach any significance to this result.

A digest of DNA test results is here:

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/selected_dna_results.pdf
 
You're confusing things here. Science is progressive and analytical.

I think it's generally agreed that the DNA laboratory did something new in this case. What follows from that is peer review and it will happen. If this were not the case then no advancements in forensic science would ever occur. We'd still be stuck with dunking stools and auto-da-fés.

Chris Halkides has done a sterling job of illuminating the lack of replication but he's focused upon the results instead of the methods. The methods will be replicated and so science marches on with or without you.
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Stilicho,
Getting caught up on some reading this morning,
this post of your many recent ones stood out to me,
for you seem to speak soooo highly of this labratory's work,
BUT yet they did not even test a possible semen stain,
found near the dead womans genitalia, in a bloody, brutal sex murder!

And you're OK with that?:confused:
Since I have sisters, I'm not.
The prosecution should have tested that frigging stain!
I hope to see this labratory become progressive and analytical and test that stain,
for if this is an example of science marching on, please do so without me...
RWVBWL

PS-According to Barbie Nadeau's book 'Angel Face", on page 48,
Dr. Stefanoni had the choice to conduct a test on a bloody shoeprint found on the pillowcase
or test the possible semen stain found near her geitalia.

OK, I'm going to try to think like a lab worker here, let me give this a shot:

"Let's see, should I test another shoe print, which is probably in Miss Kercher's blood or test a possible semen stain for DNA, which might help prove if it was left by 1 of these men who are charged in that woman's brutal murder. Hmmm, maybe the dead woman's boyfriend left it on her pillowcase and maybe she didn't mind sleeping on a stained pillowcase, so hmmm, I think I will just test the bloody shoe print instead."
 
OK, I'm going to try to think like a lab worker here, let me give this a shot:

"Let's see, should I test another shoe print, which is probably in Miss Kercher's blood or test a possible semen stain for DNA, which might help prove if it was left by 1 of these men who are charged in that woman's brutal murder. Hmmm, maybe the dead woman's boyfriend left it on her pillowcase and maybe she didn't mind sleeping on a stained pillowcase, so hmmm, I think I will just test the bloody shoe print instead."

I don't know where Barbie got this information. To the best of my knowledge, no DNA tests have ever been performed on the pillow, either of the shoe print or the presumed semen stain. Why would Stefanoni have to choose one or the other?

My understanding is that it was Monica Napoleoni, not Stefanoni, who described a supposed woman's shoe print on the pillow when she testified. In response, Sollecito's defense engaged Francesco Vinci to examine the pillow carefully under a crimescope, which is how he noticed the semen stain. He presented his analysis in court, and I have posted his presentation in pdf format:

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/vinci.pdf

Is Barbie aware of any of this? Does she care?
 
I don't know where Barbie got this information. To the best of my knowledge, no DNA tests have ever been performed on the pillow, either of the shoe print or the presumed semen stain. Why would Stefanoni have to choose one or the other?

My understanding is that it was Monica Napoleoni, not Stefanoni, who described a supposed woman's shoe print on the pillow when she testified. In response, Sollecito's defense engaged Francesco Vinci to examine the pillow carefully under a crimescope, which is how he noticed the semen stain. He presented his analysis in court, and I have posted his presentation in pdf format:

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/vinci.pdf

Is Barbie aware of any of this? Does she care?
Hi Charlie Wilkes,
Thanks for the information, this is twice now in the last 2 weeks that you have brought up further information for me to look into regarding facts(?) that I have written about from reading Barbie Nadeau's book "Angel Face".
I would have thought that this book of hers would have much truth in it, for she did go to most of the trial, IIRC, from what I have heard the 'guilter's' say when they compare "Angel Face" to Candace Dempsey's book "Murder in Italy".

What you have written of has made me even more curious though,
for why wouldn't at least 1 test have been done on this pillowcase (partialy?) found underneath Miss Kercher's body?
To me, it just doesn't make sense, to have NOT ran some testing on the pillowcase, especially if there was even a chance there might be a semen stain on it, found near a dead woman's genitalia after a sex crime was committed!
Hmmm...
RWVBWL
 
Stellafane,

You are entitled to your opinion. You have certainly thought this out and reached a conclusion. From your statement below, It is quite obvious that you are misguided.

"to assume Knox is innocent you have to accept a highly implausible and convoluted scenario in which extremely unlikely events occur, police and legal officials engage in a corrupt (and seemingly motivationless) conspiracy, and defendants are impossibly unlucky and/or inexplicably lie when the truth would save them. Try as I might, I just can't conceive a tortured, bizarre plot that both fits the evidence and exonerates Knox. Argue about arcane evidentiary points all you like, but until someone comes up with a viable alternative story that doesn't require a priori assumption of Knox's innocence, her supporters really have nothing to offer."

Your statement makes is very clear that you are actually the one that has not stepped back and looked at the big picture. This was a horrible crime but it wasn't a complicated one. Rudy Guede broke into the cottage, attacked and murdered Meredith Kercher and he fled the country. The evidence clearly shows this. This case became complicated when the authorities brought two innocent people into the equation.

Great -- then explain why Knox and Sollecito both told whopping lies (Knox about her ex-boss being the murderer; Sollecito about Kercher being in his apartment and getting cut with knife). In your scenario, they lied due to some unexplained neurological disorder, or because they were frightened, or for the hell of it, or because they were incredibly stupid, or some other similarly weird cause. In my scenario, it was for the obvious and logical reason: they were guilty and tried to deflect the guilt away from themselves.

See, this is what it always comes down to, Knox supporters trying to pick and choose the evidence, focusing only on what they think they can plausibly explain away and ignoring what they can't. Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
 
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