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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Irony.

You want to know who the true CTers are in this thread? Look at all the people for whom no amount of evidence is enough. Look at all the people for whom special pleading (DNA results) is commonplace.

Special pleading is accepting or putting forward a rule, and then arguing for a special exemption from it. I haven't seen anyone doing that. What I have seen are straw man arguments of the form "You are saying that all DNA results are meaningless, but you accept them when they suit your story! Ah ha, I have caught you!". God forbid that we might accept DNA results in some cases but not others depending on relevant circumstances like the collection methodology, the strength of the result, whether the result can be replicated, and whether DNA in that particular place proves anything.

Look at all the people who claim the Police and Investigators and Judges were out to get the defendants.

Most well-known miscarriages of justice happened for exactly that reason. The police were out to get the defendant, because the police had convinced themselves that the defendant had done it. It's scarcely an extraordinary idea that the same thing might have happened in this case.

Look at all the people who argue that everyone but Amanda and Raffaele are liars -

Sorry, I can't see any of those here.

and the lies that Amanda and Raffaele told were either insignificant or coerced, etc.

Or not lies at all but lapses of memory of the kind which we're all prone to (including Filomena and the police, as has been pointed out very recently).
 
Originally Posted by Mary_H
We know prison officials lied to Amanda when they told her - twice - that she had tested positively for HIV.


Mr. D.: No evidence for such has been presented here. Please demonstrate that officials knew that Knox's HIV test results were a false positive before she was told of them.

Originally Posted by Mary_H
We know this was a form of psychological torture.


Mr.D.: Unsupported assertion. Bruce, Charlie, halides (or LondonJohn or anyone else for that matter), do any of you agree with this statement unequivocally?


I don't think I can conclusively demonstrate that officials knew that Amanda's HIV tests were negative when they conveyed the information to her, because I don't have access to any documentation of their plans or strategies. I hope I can raise doubts in people's minds, though, about the purpose of the HIV testing in general, so they can come to their own informed conclusions. I will start by using the two following publications as sources:

The UNODC, UNAIDS and WHO Policy Brief on HIV testing and counselling in prisons and other closed settings

http://www.who.int/hiv/pub/idu/tc_prison_policy_brief.pdf

and, Epidemiological Fact Sheet on HIV and AIDS - Italy - 2008 Update

http://apps.who.int/globalatlas/predefinedReports/EFS2008/full/EFS2008_IT.pdf

The most obvious questions that arise are about why Amanda was tested for HIV in the first place. Also, why was she tested so soon upon her arrival in prison, and under what circumstances was the test obtained?

We might guess that all prison inmates are automatically tested for HIV, but we would not necessarily be correct. It depends on the laws of the country in which one is incarcerated. According to the first source I cited above, though, these are two of the primary policy recommendations regarding the administration of HIV tests to prisoners:

"- Unequivocally oppose mandatory testing or counselling:

"- Emphasize that regardless of whether HIV testing is client- or provider-initiated, it should always be voluntary [page 1]."

[The brief goes on to say] "...Such mandatory or compulsory forms of HIV testing violate ethical principles and the basic rights of consent, privacy and bodily integrity. They are not necessary for the protection of prisoners, staff or visitors and cannot be justified from a public health perspective [page 3]."


Some Perugian prison officials may not have been aware of these guidelines, but there is no doubt the prison's medical staff were. Italy appears to be a country whose medical professionals are very well educated about the international response to HIV-AIDS. On page 6 of the second source I cited, you will find a graph showing that estimated deaths from AIDS in Italy peaked in 1996, then dropped precipitously and have remained low since 1998. In 2006, 273 women in Italy died of AIDS, as opposed to 1,282 in 1996 (page 10).

Even if the prison medical staff were able to persuade Amanda to voluntarily consent to an HIV test, the question again arises as to why. Amanda is not in a high risk group for infection. One might argue that she had had several intimate partners, but prison officials didn't have access to that information until after they read Amanda's diary, as far as we know.

Did the prison test her for HIV in case she was sick and they wanted to treat her? If they did, they also should have tested her for heart disease, lung disease and cancer, all of which kill more people in developed countries than does AIDS. That would have made more sense than testing her for HIV.

We do have anecdotal evidence that prison officials (not the doctors) were trying to get at information about Amanda's sexual history. Here is an excerpt from an interview between Claudio Paglieri and Giuliani Mignini:

Paglieri: Let’s talk about HIV. Amanda in jail was told that she was HIV-positive and was asked to make a list of all her ex-lovers in order to tell them. Then the positivity turns out to be a false positive sample. The suspicion of a trick arises.

Mignini:
I never asked Amanda anything like that . We have the utmost respect for the suspect, and on top of it, what would have been the purpose of asking her?

Paglieri:
Because the list ended up on the newspapers and contributed to giving a negative image of the girl, of an “easy” woman.

Mignini:
Nobody has depicted Amanda as an “easy girl”. Why would I do it? She was totally unknown to the police and the procura. Her sexual life is totally irrelevant in order to describe her personality, though it helps to explain the tense relationships with the other roommates.
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...oug_preston_looking_increasingly_incompetent/


Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much. In one sentence he says Amanda's sex life is not relevant, and in the next sentence he says it is. The fact that he considered knowledge of Amanda's sex life helpful in any way at all suggests he had a motive for obtaining more information about it. He certainly did convey at trial and through leaks to the media that Amanda was perhaps "too" sexually active for some people's liking, and he had her diary to prove it.

As to the question of lying, well, the bottom line is that false positives for HIV are extremely rare, and second false positives are, naturally, even rarer. Based on the statistical improbabilty that Amanda could have tested falsely positive twice or even once for HIV, I think it is safe to surmise prison officials gave her false information for one purpose or another.

As to the question of whether or not giving Amanda false positive HIV test results was psychological torture, we have more anecdotal evidence, provided in Barbie Nadeau's book, Angel Face:

“After she was arrested, the police set a trap for Amanda by telling her she had tested positive for HIV. This sort of psychological trickery is commonly used by investigators in Italy to elicit a confession.” (page 27)


If true, this suggests officials not only were trying to get at knowledge of Amanda's sex partners, but also that they were trying to dismay her to the point of breaking down. Again, though, the same results could have been obtained from other test results -- say, for some kind of fast-moving cancer -- so we cannot rule out the possibility that the test for HIV was intentionally focused on sexuality.

Concerning the issue of psychological torture, we have to ask ourselves why the World Health Organization and other agenices have guidelines specifically set out to protect people from psychological harm upon learning they have tested positive for the virus that causes AIDS, unless such an experience is considered dangerous, if not torturous. From another source, we learn there are recommendations regarding informing clients/patients of their positive HIV status:

“When implementing provider-initiated HIV testing and counselling, equal efforts must be made to ensure that a supportive social, policy and legal framework is in place to maximize positive outcomes and minimize potential harms to patients.”

http://www.who.int/3by5/publications/briefs/hiv_testing_counselling/en/index.html


I certainly wouldn't call being the object of public ridicule a way to maximize positive outcomes. And was Amanda offered counseling? Not that I am aware of; she doesn't mention it in her diary.

From the point of view of health ethics, it is appalling that any one of us knows that Amanda was tested for HIV at all; it is outrageous that the news was spread by the media. Medical professionals in developed countries are bound by strict doctor-patient confidentiality rules. My guess is the prison doctors died a thousand deaths when they found out what they were part of, not only out of concern for Amanda, but also out of concern for their own Hippocratic oaths and professional reputations. I can't imagine they participated willingly.

The use of HIV testing and false positives against Amanda is not a minor issue. It constituted a serious breach of her human rights, and Perugian officials should be censured for it.

I will answer your other questions in another post, Mr. D.
 
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FYI, for anyone who doesn't want to read the previous post (I wouldn't blame you, it's very long):

"All services offering HIV testing and counselling should conform to WHO’s guiding principles for expanded testing and counselling:

HIV testing should be voluntary

Mandatory HIV testing is not effective for public health purposes, nor is it ethical. Everyone being tested should give informed consent. This involves:

- providing pre-test information on the purpose of testing and on the treatment;
- and support available once the result is known;
- ensuring understanding; and
- respecting the individual’s autonomy.

Confidentiality must be protected

- Only health-care staff with a direct role in management should have access to medical information, on a “need to know” basis.

Post-test support services should be offered

- People who receive positive test results should receive counselling and referral to care, support and treatment.

http://www.who.int/3by5/publications/briefs/hiv_testing_counselling/en/index.html


Amanda does not seem to have been tested under these circumstances.

Another question occurs. Did they test Raffaele? Or Rudy, for that matter?
 
There is another exaggeration made by you. Raffaele did not throw Amanda under the bus. He agreed that he could not possibly know what Amanda was doing when he was asleep.

Amanda and Raffaele have always supported each other and will continue to do so on appeal.

Show us where Raffaele's statement to the police established that he was asleep from 21:00 until shortly past midnight on 01 NOV 2007.

Bull, bull, bull. Since when did waiting for the medical examiner's report prevent the police from blabbing to the press? It was in the papers the very first day that Meredith may have been sexually assaulted.

The first draft of the medical examiner's report was presented to the courts on 08 NOV 2007:

(Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1568860/Meredith-Kercher-murder-Judges-report.html )

Amanda's elaboration of the thuds, screams, sexual assault, and murder came on the evening of 05-06 NOV 2007.

Yes, Stilicho, could you please cite specifically what you are referring to here? Date and quotation would help.

See above.

One of the earliest Italian news reports 11/2/07 (Google translated) link to follow. Reading this, I think it is very plausible that someone would assume she was sexually assaulted.

http://translate.google.com/transla...ugia-uccisa/perugia-uccisa.html&sl=auto&tl=en

I agree it's plausible. However, Amanda's statements (the ones not allowed at her trial) indicate that she understood entirely the sequence of events leading to Meredith's death. The newspapers didn't. The medical examiner didn't know either.

Moreover, she placed herself at Piazza Grimana at the time a witness did, knew that an African man was involved, and confirmed in advance that Meredith screamed during the assault. None of these things were known by the police before she told them. That's four strikes against her and we're not even into the elaboration of evidence the police later confirmed, including the blood in the bathroom.
 
Special pleading is accepting or putting forward a rule, and then arguing for a special exemption from it. I haven't seen anyone doing that. What I have seen are straw man arguments of the form "You are saying that all DNA results are meaningless, but you accept them when they suit your story! Ah ha, I have caught you!". God forbid that we might accept DNA results in some cases but not others depending on relevant circumstances like the collection methodology, the strength of the result, whether the result can be replicated, and whether DNA in that particular place proves anything.

You're confusing things here. Science is progressive and analytical.

I think it's generally agreed that the DNA laboratory did something new in this case. What follows from that is peer review and it will happen. If this were not the case then no advancements in forensic science would ever occur. We'd still be stuck with dunking stools and auto-da-fés.

Chris Halkides has done a sterling job of illuminating the lack of replication but he's focused upon the results instead of the methods. The methods will be replicated and so science marches on with or without you.
 
Special pleading is accepting or putting forward a rule, and then arguing for a special exemption from it. I haven't seen anyone doing that. What I have seen are straw man arguments of the form "You are saying that all DNA results are meaningless, but you accept them when they suit your story! Ah ha, I have caught you!". God forbid that we might accept DNA results in some cases but not others depending on relevant circumstances like the collection methodology, the strength of the result, whether the result can be replicated, and whether DNA in that particular place proves anything.



Most well-known miscarriages of justice happened for exactly that reason. The police were out to get the defendant, because the police had convinced themselves that the defendant had done it. It's scarcely an extraordinary idea that the same thing might have happened in this case.



Sorry, I can't see any of those here.



Or not lies at all but lapses of memory of the kind which we're all prone to (including Filomena and the police, as has been pointed out very recently).

Well argued. And good to see you back around, by the way!

In relation to the "police out to get them" point, I'd point out that some people seem to falsely extrapolate that to mean "the police were out to get AK and RS specifically and, owing to some sort of vindictive personal obsession with sending them (in particular) to prison".

While police/prosecutors may sometimes become fixated on one person at a personal level, it's much more common that it's a case of "tunnel vision" and confirmation bias, rather than malicious vindictiveness, that causes the "out to get them" syndrome - and I believe that this is what may have happened in the case of AK/RS. I believe that the police and prosecutors made up their minds very early on that AK and RS were involved* - long in advance of any forensics results or witness statements. I believe that the subsequent evidence may then have been interpreted by the police from a state of confirmation bias.

I think an interesting analogue is the case of Colin Stagg in the UK. The police decided very early on that Stagg was responsible for the rape and murder of Rachel Nickell (in front of her young child) on Wimbledon Common in 1992, despite no forensic evidence and confusing/contradictory witness evidence. Stagg was regarded as the local "oddball", and had had previous brushes with the law regarding his behaviour on the Common.

To cut a long story short, the police set a honeytrap to get Stagg to admit to the murder. A policewoman posed as a lonely hearts respondent ("Lizzie"), and corresponded by letter and telephone with Stagg. "Lizzie" was following a script dictated by a (now discredited) criminal profiler, who had convinced the police that Stagg could be persuaded to confess. The carefully-constructed plan had "Lizzie" telling Stagg that she was turned on by violent men, and that she'd be sexually aroused if he had done something really violent before. This then led to her telling him that she would sleep with him if he admitted to the rape and murder of Nickell. He never did confess, but the police/prosecutors still thought he'd said enough "incriminating" things in his discussions with "Lizzie" to show sufficient proof of his involvement in the crime.

The case actually (unbelievably) came to trial predominantly based on this honeytrap "evidence". Thankfully, a decent judge threw the case out almost immediately, but many legal observers think that if the case had been allowed to proceed, Stagg might very well have been convicted on the basis of his interactions with "Lizzie".

The story doesn't quite end there. After the case was thrown out of court, the police very publicly announced that they were not searching for anyone else in connection with the murder. They briefed the media (and Nickell's partner) that Stagg was the perpetrator, but that pesky technicalities and incorrect judicial rulings had allowed him to get away with rape/murder. Stagg lived under a huge cloud of ongoing suspicion for fifteen years.

Unfortunately for the police, advances in DNA technology resulted in an ID being made from semen left on the body in around 2006. It turned out that a completely different man (Robert Napper) was the perpetrator. Napper - who was by now already in a secure hospital for other sex crimes - confessed, and was convicted.

Sorry for the length of this story, but I think it's a very good illustration of how tunnel vision can lead police to convince themselves (often incorrectly) that they have "got their man". I think there's a complex psychological mix of reasons for this, including pure confirmation bias, unwillingness to be shown to be wrong, over-dogged determination to solve high-profile crimes at any cost, and misplaced professional/personal pride.

*I believe that they'd also convinced themselves that Lumumba was the other person involved, but his cast-iron alibi and complete and utter lack of incriminating evidence pointing towards him, meant that they had to drop that belief.
 
Not to mention practically everyone involved in the case has conflicting statements of what happened and in what order: The postal police and the CCTV don't agree on their arrival. Batistelli and Luca don't agree on what happened when the door was kicked down. Quintavalle disagrees with a co-worker and himself on what he saw. Filomena and Paola don't agree on her telling Amanda to call the police. Curatolo gets his dates wrong, etc.

Thank goodness there was a trial to sort all of this out.
 
By the way: science advances through replicable experiments in research laboratories. Not through one-off experiments in operational laboratories. Some people obviously have little or no understanding of how valid scientific research is conducted.

Sir Alec Jeffreys did not introduce his original pioneering DNA profiling techniques to the world in the course of a criminal investigation. He worked in research laboratories at Leicester University for many years developing and refining the technique, which was then written up in recognised scientific journals and peer-reviewed. Only then could it ever be considered appropriate for use in a "real world" application with real consequences.

The general scientific maxim is that no new development has validity unless and until it has been a) published in a recognised scientific journal, b) extensively peer-reviewed by experts in the field, and c) successfully replicated extensively by other scientists. None of these things has happened in this instance.
 

I don't need to cite. It was stated as a personal belief (which was conveniently omitted from the quote), rather than fact. My belief is based on the police's reaction to the infamous text message (possibly coupled with reports that hair from a person of black African origin was found on the body).
 
Incidentally, if I were to say that I believe Brazil will win the 2010 World Cup, would I need to "cite"? If I were to say that I believe Radiohead are the best rock band of the past 20 years, would I need to "cite"? If I were to say that I believe Thai cuisine to be tastier than Swedish cuisine, would I need to "cite"?
 
The first draft of the medical examiner's report was presented to the courts on 08 NOV 2007:

(Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1568860/Meredith-Kercher-murder-Judges-report.html )

Amanda's elaboration of the thuds, screams, sexual assault, and murder came on the evening of 05-06 NOV 2007.
Interesting. From this article of 4 November (links to Google Translated version):

"Before being killed, Meredith was forced to have sex".

Seems fairly unequivocal. It's really a stretch to see Amanda's assumption that Meredith had been "raped" (which technically she hadn't been, by the way) as evidence of her guilt. The police were asking them all for the names of any men who knew Meredith. The press were reporting that Meredith had been found near-naked. I'm quite sure they all thought there was a sexual component to the crime.

Still, if you're right, Massei would obviously have included it in the report. Cite? After all, the defence are arguing in the appeal that Rudy knew details about which window had been broken before it was reported in the press (as LJ's earlier post shows, the press were actually reporting it was Meredith's window that had been broken; Rudy knew it was Filomena's). So presumably Amanda's advance knowledge of the coroner's report would've been used by Massei in her conviction, surely?

Moreover, she placed herself at Piazza Grimana at the time a witness did, knew that an African man was involved, and confirmed in advance that Meredith screamed during the assault. None of these things were known by the police before she told them. That's four strikes against her and we're not even into the elaboration of evidence the police later confirmed, including the blood in the bathroom.

As you know (this seems like one o' those 'whack-a-moles' Kevin Lowe was referring to) Patrick was brought into the case because the police misinterpreted a text message Amanda had sent to him. So if anyone "knew that an African man was involved", it was the police.
 
By the way: science advances through replicable experiments in research laboratories. Not through one-off experiments in operational laboratories. Some people obviously have little or no understanding of how valid scientific research is conducted.

Sir Alec Jeffreys did not introduce his original pioneering DNA profiling techniques to the world in the course of a criminal investigation. He worked in research laboratories at Leicester University for many years developing and refining the technique, which was then written up in recognised scientific journals and peer-reviewed. Only then could it ever be considered appropriate for use in a "real world" application with real consequences.

The general scientific maxim is that no new development has validity unless and until it has been a) published in a recognised scientific journal, b) extensively peer-reviewed by experts in the field, and c) successfully replicated extensively by other scientists. None of these things has happened in this instance.

Also, ideally evidence can be double-checked if necessary. If you have reason to question the conclusions of a given fingerprint examiner you can show the prints to a different person and get a second opinion, for example. The prosecution can't say that their dog ate the evidence and that you'll have to take their word for it.

The significance of this checking is evident in the footprint evidence in this case in particular: We were told that we had Raffaele's bloody footprints as evidence that he had been walking around the apartment with Meredith's blood on his feet, which if it had been true would be highly incriminating and probably enough to justifiably convict him. However with a good second look at that evidence it turned out that the footprints were probably all Rudy's despite what the prosecution expert tried to put forward.

I think it's psychologically interesting that when Amanda gets completely trivial details wrong about phone calls and whatnot it's taken by some as a huge giveaway that she is a murderer. Whereas when the prosecution gets enormously important details that the case might hinge on completely wrong, or tells Amanda she has tested positive for HIV, or physically assaults her until she gives them the false statement they wanted, it means nothing to them about the prosecution case as a whole. That evidence does not confirm their existing belief, so it means nothing and the memory of it slips away.
 
Show us where Raffaele's statement to the police established that he was asleep from 21:00 until shortly past midnight on 01 NOV 2007.

I think what Bruce is pointing out is that the way the police initially got Raffaele to say there was a possibility Amanda left the apartment is by getting him to agree that she might have left while he was asleep. They would then have said to Amanda that he'd dropped her alibi and said she left the apartment; after the discovery of the text message, they would have gone back to Raffaele and told him they now had hard evidence proving Amanda left the apartment to meet someone, and he'd better stop lying to protect her. He then gave the police an account of what happened that evening which mixed events of 31 October with 1 November.

At first I thought maybe Raffaele lied to get out of trouble (which wouldn't be proof of his guilt, incidentally, since innocent suspects sometimes lie too). Now I think that, like Amanda, he just accepted that the police were telling him the truth, and that therefore he must be confusing his memories of one day with another (when in fact, his initial memories were correct, it was the police lying to him about hard evidence they didn't have that led to his changed story).
 
I think what Bruce is pointing out is that the way the police initially got Raffaele to say there was a possibility Amanda left the apartment is by getting him to agree that she might have left while he was asleep. They would then have said to Amanda that he'd dropped her alibi and said she left the apartment; after the discovery of the text message, they would have gone back to Raffaele and told him they now had hard evidence proving Amanda left the apartment to meet someone, and he'd better stop lying to protect her. He then gave the police an account of what happened that evening which mixed events of 31 October with 1 November.

At first I thought maybe Raffaele lied to get out of trouble (which wouldn't be proof of his guilt, incidentally, since innocent suspects sometimes lie too). Now I think that, like Amanda, he just accepted that the police were telling him the truth, and that therefore he must be confusing his memories of one day with another (when in fact, his initial memories were correct, it was the police lying to him about hard evidence they didn't have that led to his changed story).

I'm not positive that Raffaele mixed up the events from 31 October/1 November. It would be good to compare his prior statements with his last statement which made him a suspect. Same with Amanda.
 
Here's an interesting newspaper article published online at 21.27 UK time (22.27 Italy time) on 2nd November 2007 - i.e. within around nine hours of the discovery of Meredith's body.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568106/British-student-murdered-in-Italy.html

Not only does it follow the Italian media lead of mentioning the partially-clothed state of the body, but it also suggests another astonishing (and incorrect) piece of police briefing:

"The door to her ground floor room was locked from the inside and police believe her attacker left by a window into a small rear garden."

So it would appear that literally within hours of the discovery of the body, the police were not only briefing the media about the state of the body, but they were also promoting the clearly unsubstantiated belief (clearly unsubstantiated because it was wrong) that Meredith's door was locked from the inside and that the killer left via a window. Furthermore, the implication here is clearly that the window through which the killer left was Meredith's (viz the "door locked from the inside"). So it would further appear that whoever within the police was briefing the media had put 2 and 2 together and assumed that the broken window was in Meredith's room rather than Filomena's*. Incompetence and/or false briefing?

* If I remember correctly (but I'm admittedly not 100% sure), Meredith's window had security bars over it as well, making it impossible from the outset that the killer left the house through her window after locking her bedroom door from the inside.

PS Here's another interesting bit from the same article, this time in direct quotation marks from a police spokesman:

"The girl was semi naked, with signs of a cut to the neck," a police official said. "The door was shut, and the agents had to force their way in."

Again, the "semi-naked" reference. But perhaps more interesting is the quote that "agents had to force their way in". Who knew that Luca (Filomena's boyfriend, who was actually the one who broke down the door after the Postal Police stated that they didn't want to take the responsibility) was now an "agent"? While it's not so important in the grand scheme of things, it's certainly indicative of the levels of police misinformation and police theorising/revisionism that were flying round Perugia within hours of the discovery of the murder.

I don't know that the implication from the article is that the murderer escaped through Meredith's window. It could have been referring to the window already broken in Filomena's room. As to the bars on the Meredith's window - Amanda and Filomena didn't have bars, not sure about Meredith's. It is possible that the Italian to English translation could account for misinformation about the crime scene.

Journalist's didn't necessarily have to get all information from the police (with the exception of Raffaele's partial statement of 5 November and Amanda's 5:45 statement - those probably were from police sources unless the media have access to those documents legally). Journalists were asking questions of many involved.

As for misinformation in the beginning - that happens in almost every investigation (or news event). As the investigation evolves some evidence is discarded and some new evidence is found and statements are clarified.
 
I think what Bruce is pointing out is that the way the police initially got Raffaele to say there was a possibility Amanda left the apartment is by getting him to agree that she might have left while he was asleep. They would then have said to Amanda that he'd dropped her alibi and said she left the apartment; after the discovery of the text message, they would have gone back to Raffaele and told him they now had hard evidence proving Amanda left the apartment to meet someone, and he'd better stop lying to protect her. He then gave the police an account of what happened that evening which mixed events of 31 October with 1 November.
At first I thought maybe Raffaele lied to get out of trouble (which wouldn't be proof of his guilt, incidentally, since innocent suspects sometimes lie too). Now I think that, like Amanda, he just accepted that the police were telling him the truth, and that therefore he must be confusing his memories of one day with another (when in fact, his initial memories were correct, it was the police lying to him about hard evidence they didn't have that led to his changed story).


All that could and should and would and the police lying - is there any prove of this assumptions?
 
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