Genetics has identified the Ananuki.

I could apply the same logic to the idea that the Neanderthals were members of the "Galactic Confederacy" lead by Xenu and that they mated with the nice looking human females who weren't blown up in ancient volcanos.

Or the Neanderthals were the Olympian god who mated with the dark humans.

Point is, it makes no sense to look at a religious text and try to shoehorn it to fit a new scientific finding. You look at the scientific evidence and work from there. What ever you find, you find.
 
The dates don't fit Neanderthals died out long before our civlisations got going and their last holdouts were spain not the middle east.
These stories and myth go back a long way and stem from tales handed down for generations, long before we became civilised. However, I would put my dollar on these tales being a product of our pysches not some memory of encounters with some sub-human species.
 
Here are a few verses describing them as giants.

Numbers 13:33:

And we there saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.

Deuteronomy 2:10, 11:

The Emim formerly lived there, a people great and many, and tall as the Anakim; like the Anakim the were also known as Rephaim, but the Moabites call them Emim.

Deuteronomy 3:11:

For only Og the king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Nine cubits [13 1/2 feet] was its length, and four cubits [6 feet] its breadth, according to the common cubit.

Deuteronomy 3:20, 21a:

That also is known as land of Rephaim; Rephaim formerly lived there, but the Ammonites call them Zamzumim, a people great and many, and tall as the Anakim . . . .

So, the Anakim = the Nephilim = the Emim = the Rephaim = the Zamzumim = giants.

All those tribal groups are described as tall, not giant.
The grasshoppers reference for instance is posted on pretty much every woo site out there, in fact its not a reference to size but a reference to numbers, 2.5 million Israelites, 1 tribe of Nephilim, for grasshoppers, think locusts,
the whole quote is actually
The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height. And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.
and lets not forget that the "spies" who made that claim were shortly after slaughtered by God for lying
37 even those men that did bring up an evil report of the land, died by the plague before the LORD

and having a large iron bed does not make someone who sleeps in it giant, its like having a large throne, a status symbol. This is why I asked you to use the Hebrew bible and not the KJV.
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So, the Anakim = the Nephilim = the Emim = the Rephaim/Zamzumim = tall,
 
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These stories and myth go back a long way and stem from tales handed down for generations, long before we became civilised. However, I would put my dollar on these tales being a product of our pysches not some memory of encounters with some sub-human species.

Welcome and Yay!

I agree.
 
These stories and myth go back a long way and stem from tales handed down for generations, long before we became civilised. .
These stories are completely derived from Mesopotamian and to a lesser extent Canaanite mythology. The former were handed to the Hebrews by the Babylonians who owned them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity
The Babylonians inherited their mythology from the Akkadians who in turn inherited it from the Sumerians. So they all post date civilisation by at least 2000 years. The Hebrews didn't exist prior to around 1000bce so they had no progenitors being a sect from canaan who turned monotheist basically because everyone else wasn't
However, I would put my dollar on these tales being a product of our pysches not some memory of encounters with some sub-human species.

The "sons of God" are not only mentioned in Genesis
they are also mentioned in Job
6 Now it fell upon a day, that the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them
as Job was a resident of Uz
1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was whole-hearted and upright, and one that feared God, and shunned evil.
and Uz was actually Edom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Uz
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The nation of Edom is known to have existed back to the 8th or 9th century BC,
which places the sons of God somewhere in the first Millenium bce
around 27,000 years after the Neanderthals became extinct

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. . . So, the Anakim = the Nephilim = the Emim = the Rephaim/Zamzumim = tall,

Giants need not be fifty feet tall. Consider Goliath. According to the Masoretic Text (MT), the official Hebrew Scriptures Goliath's height was six cubits and a span (1 Sam 17:4). Since a cubit is roughly 18" and a span is half a cubit, that would make him 9' 9". However, according to the Septuagint (LXX), which was translated into Greek much earlier than the MT was refined, Golith's height was four cubits and a span, or 6' 9".

In 2 Sam. 21:16, a Philistine named Ishbibenob is described as a descendant of the giants and had a spear that weighed spear 300 shekels of bronze. A few verses later (v. 18) one of David's champions, Sibbecai, kills a Philistine named Saph, who is likewise described as one of the descendants of the giants. The verse following this says Elhanan, not David, killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. In vv. 20 and 21 a nephew of David kills an unnamed "man of great stature" who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. He is alsosaid to be descended from the giants. Verse 22 says that all four of these were descended from the giants of Gath. In all these verses the word translated as "giants" is rephaim.

So, it's possible that giant = very large or tall person.
 
Marduk

"The Hebrews didn't exist prior to around 1000bce so they had no progenitors being a sect from canaan who turned monotheist basically because everyone else wasn't"

From what I know Akhenaten's one god Ra was around 1200BC so it seems this was a trend around those times and also that the canaan etc area had lots of tribes with their own one god which gradually morphed into the one God of the Hebrews. I don't claim to be an expert, just what I've heard.


"which places the sons of God somewhere in the first Millenium bce
around 27,000 years after the Neanderthals became extinct"

Any idea who they werre then ??
 
From what I know Akhenaten's one god Ra was around 1200BC so it seems this was a trend around those times and also that the canaan etc area had lots of tribes with their own one god which gradually morphed into the one God of the Hebrews. I don't claim to be an expert, just what I've heard.
You heard wrong, he lived more than a hundred years earlier than that and
he wasn't into Ra so much as he was Amun-Re, which he abolished in favour of his new idol the "Aten", hence his name which means "Effective spirit of Aten", before he changed it to that he was called "Amenhotep IV", which means "Amun is satisfied"
also
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Before much of the archaeological evidence from Thebes and from Tell el-Amarna became available, wishful thinking sometimes turned Akhenaten into a humane teacher of the true God, a mentor of Moses, a Christlike figure, a philosopher before his time. But these imaginary creatures are now fading away one by one as the historical reality gradually emerges. There is little or no evidence to support the notion that Akhenaten was a progenitor of the full-blown monotheism that we find in the Bible. The monotheism of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament had its own separate development—one that began more than half a millenium after the pharaoh's death

a proto form of monotheism was being practiced 600 years earlier than Akhs reign in Babylonian with Bel Marduk. So its more likely that monotheism was a result of theological thinking across the ANE in the 2nd millenium period than something which can be traced back to a single source
Any idea who they werre then ??

Theres two groups worthy of note here, the sons of God and the men of renown, originally they were the descendants of seth and the descendants of Cain respectively, their identity changes from the source via midrash and then again in christianity as one political group after another uses the bible for its own ends. But they weren't an extinct race, thats the one thing that can be said for sure
;)

So, it's possible that giant = very large or tall person.

absolutely, but you also have to take into account the fact that the average male height for the people of the time in that area was between 5'1 and 5'4
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One of the most interesting of these relates to Goliath’s height: 4QSam(a), the Dead Sea Scrolls text of Samuel, gives the height of Goliath as “Four cubits and a span” (approximately 200 cm or 6 feet 7 inches), and this is what the first-century A.D. historian Josephus and the fourth century A.D. Septuagint manuscripts also record.
so anyone above 6 would be giant, and anyone killed by one of the righteous people who is over 6 feet is liable to have the claim that he was descended from a giant wether thats true or not. personally I don't believe that there was one continuous family of tall people in Canaan and everyone else was average, thats not how genetics works

In all these verses the word translated as "giants" is rephaim.
Who are not described as Giant in the original, just as tall, and as a tribe living in canaan, its later versions that start translating that differently, I suspect myth making personally, the same type that translates river in Atrahasis to Sea in Gilgamesh, the more amazing the story the more glory to God.

so giant for them isn't giant for us, Goliath at his shortest was only 2 inches taller than me, and I know Karate. That'd be a better story I think
"49 And Marduk put his hand in his bag, and took thence an empty fist, and slung it, and smote the Philistine in his solar plexus; and the fist sank into his belly, and he fell upon his face to the earth."
then all we need is some Ninjas and dancing girls and we got a best seller on our hands
:D:p

no seriously, think about it for a minute, the assault on Jericho, with Ninjas going in first to take out the archers and a mass attack of elephants that bring the walls down. How cool would that be
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In the Bible, there is mention made of the "sons of heaven" who married and produced children with the "daughters of men" prior to the Deluge.

This legend is transmitted along with the sorty of the Deluge from Mesopotamia. The first notable culture in that area, the Sumerian, was built by people who apparently arrived from the east, proibably areas in which there had been large populations of Neanderthalers on their perimeter.

That's a lot of speculation.

The Sumerians called themselves "The Black-headed." All the peoples around them in Mesopotamia were black-haired.

The Neanderthalers would probably have been blond and blue-eyed.

Evidence for this?
 

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