Genetics has identified the Ananuki.

How does one make a 30 cubit circumference with a diameter of 10 cubits?

By chosing a a guy with longer arms to meassure the circumference. Or by using different cubits.

Alturnatively make one with a circumference 31.4159265358979323846264338327950288 cubits and then report it's size to 1sf.
 
By chosing a a guy with longer arms to meassure the circumference. Or by using different cubits.

Alturnatively make one with a circumference 31.4159265358979323846264338327950288 cubits and then report it's size to 1sf.

In other words you can't unless your a god who kills 50,000 for looking into a box and kills 42 kids for teasing a bald guy? So that god who gives exact dimensions throughout the Old Testament mixes units when describing pi in the Old Testament? You can believe that if you want but most of the people here would rather be rational.
 
In other words you can't unless your a god who kills 50,000 for looking into a box and kills 42 kids for teasing a bald guy?

I'm unaware of any connection between killing and the values of pi.

So that god who gives exact dimensions throughout the Old Testament mixes units when describing pi in the Old Testament?

There are no exact dimensions in the Old Testament. Exact dimensions don't appear untill the french started messing around with their metric system.

The cubit was a common unit of measurement at the time. It was roughly the length from a mans elbow to the fingertip. While there were attempts at standardisation the jews had at least 3 values and it's far from imposible that actual forarms were used for more causal measurements.

You can believe that if you want but most of the people here would rather be rational.

Most people would consider an inability to cope with the concept of rounding to be ah problematical.

As criticisms of the bible go the pi=3 one has the intellectual depth of a wet puddle. Any serious attempt to use it as a critism shows a lack of serious thought about the issue of the inability to apply critical thinking to claims that appear to support one's own position.
 
I'm unaware of any connection between killing and the values of pi.



There are no exact dimensions in the Old Testament. Exact dimensions don't appear untill the french started messing around with their metric system.

The cubit was a common unit of measurement at the time. It was roughly the length from a mans elbow to the fingertip. While there were attempts at standardisation the jews had at least 3 values and it's far from imposible that actual forarms were used for more causal measurements.



Most people would consider an inability to cope with the concept of rounding to be ah problematical.

As criticisms of the bible go the pi=3 one has the intellectual depth of a wet puddle. Any serious attempt to use it as a critism shows a lack of serious thought about the issue of the inability to apply critical thinking to claims that appear to support one's own position.

Your the one defending a mythological book and you say I can't think? You are a funny one, please tell another joke.
 
Hmmm, the rest of your comments aside which I won't respond to as I don't really want to get into a speculative discussion about unproven and unsupported oral traditions. IIRC we already did that.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152198
In this case the possibility of an oral tradition can easily be dispensed with for two reasons,
1. this entire thread is based on this bible quote

Its strange you ducked the exact point I called you out on
 
In other words you can't unless your a god who kills 50,000 for looking into a box and kills 42 kids for teasing a bald guy? So that god who gives exact dimensions throughout the Old Testament mixes units when describing pi in the Old Testament? You can believe that if you want but most of the people here would rather be rational.

Ah, this must be one of those "militant new atheists" christians are always complaining about, I thought they were just a myth.

Pi? Arc of the covenant? God killing blah blah? Are you arguing against your invisible friend? What's a pi value inferred from the bible have to do with the OP? What do the other stories have to do with pi?

Nothing but a non-sequiter strawman ranting train of fail.
 
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How does one make a 30 cubit circumference with a diameter of 10 cubits?
Hoss, you're talking about a craftsman-based technology, where things were cut to fit, not calculated out. Look at Gothic architecture, where flying buttresses allowed walls to be shaved down to minimal structures. Do you think those structures were calculated out beforehand by the period architects? No, they sorta eyeballed it and made it work.

The bible talking about a 10-unit diameter circle with a circumference of 30 units? Fits quite well with the level of technology and craftsman's training of the time. Parts didn't interchange back then. Everything was a one-off design, with parts dimensions adjusted to make them fit properly.

The continued whine about " the bible's bull because the circumference is slightly wrong" is beating a dead horse. If you harp on it too many more times, I might consider moving you to the Rabid Pinhead classification of poster. Dead issue. Get real.

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Hoss, you're talking about a craftsman-based technology, where things were cut to fit, not calculated out. Look at Gothic architecture, where flying buttresses allowed walls to be shaved down to minimal structures. Do you think those structures were calculated out beforehand by the period architects? No, they sorta eyeballed it and made it work.

The bible talking about a 10-unit diameter circle with a circumference of 30 units? Fits quite well with the level of technology and craftsman's training of the time. Parts didn't interchange back then. Everything was a one-off design, with parts dimensions adjusted to make them fit properly.

The continued whine about " the bible's bull because the circumference is slightly wrong" is beating a dead horse. If you harp on it too many more times, I might consider moving you to the Rabid Pinhead classification of poster. Dead issue. Get real.

Beanbag

Move me wherever you want you rabid pinhead.
 
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The Talmud, too, has statements where it can be implied that Pi = 3. It says (in the Eruvin tractate, as if somebody cared...) that the circumference of any circular shape is "three time" the diameter (and that the difference between a square shape and a circular one inscribed in it is "one forth" of the square -- that is, that the ratio between Pi*r^2 and (2r)^2 is 4:3, which implies Pi =3 as well).

But it cannot possibly in fairness mean that the Rabbis were making a mathematical claim. I have just, by chance, been reading that part of the Eruvin tractate. It goes more or less like this:

1). Eruvin means "mixing" -- when two meals, or areas or goods, etc., etc., count as "mixed" and as one for various ritual purposes, and when as two, such as whether one is allowed to move between them on the Sabbath, which is allowed if it counts as one courtyard, and sometimes not if it counts as two. It also discussed what one must do to separate or mix them.

2). In the place where the have Pi=3, they are discussing specifically what sort of openings or gates of what size and shape count as "connecting" two courtyards and making them count as one.

3). The relevant Talmud discussion starts with one sage asking, "what if the opening is crooked or round and not straight?"

Another sage replies, "we treat the crooked as if it were straight."

A third notes that the difference between that the difference between a crooked (circular) opening and a straight (square) one is 4:3 in area.

A fourth says the difference between the circumference and diameter of a circle is 1:3 -- like in Solomon's sea.

This naturally leads to a discussion of water for purification purposes, e.g., how much water could the sea of Solomon hold? Did it also have square baths above or below the round main one? Given the dimensions of the main bath, what is the maximum number of people could bathe in it for ritual purification? What is, equivalently, the minimum amount of water for such purposes?

It gets even more irrelevant from there, until one of the sages apparently finally remembers they're supposed to be discussing the shapes of various openings between courtyards, and they go back to that subject, for -- oh -- three sentences until the next digression.

Yes, the Talmud is in effect a huge collection of tractates (my copy fills twelve large volumes) of such meandering discussions. So much, by the way, for the attempt to find a "secret Jewish world domination plan" in that.

It is obvious they weren't thinking of exact mathematical relationships at all, but of rough, round quantities that can serve as a practical guide: they decide, for example, that the minimum depth of a ritual bath must be three cubits deep (a cubit is about half a yard), an opening must be four cubits high to count as a "gate" for various purposes, and that the minimum amount of water in a bath for ritual purification is forty se'ah (About 280 liters.)
 
Just to nitpick your nitpick, buth "nephilim" and "anakim" (or "annukim") mean "giants" in Hebrew.

Nope, they aren't described as giants until the KJV was written, I could post up the relevant passages from the Hebrew bible if youre really interested, or you could just accept what I'm saying here (let me know). The Anakim, Nephilim and Rephaim are all described as tall, not giant. The only person described as giant in the whole of the original old testament was Goliath, who's height is originally given as 6'6 (he gets taller with each new rewrite). which in a population of an average height around 5'2 is enormous.This still doesn't stop all three groups (+ Goliath) from getting massacred by the chosen peoples at the earliest oppotunity.

So its window dressing, in a kind of "Look at those huge ferocious looking bastards, and then watch how easily the power of our lord allows us to kick them all senseless with ease
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Its strange you ducked the exact point I called you out on
thats an interesting perspective on what I thought I wrote, I had thought I showed you how an oral tradition in this example was completely unnecessary and irrelevant, but go ahead, pretend I said something else if you like, I'm not bothered
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The word for "giant" in Hebrew is "Anak". "Anakim" is the plural.

Probably it's a case of transferring of meaning. "Kushi" originally meant "an Ethiopian" and only later applied to anybody who looks (to the Jews in any case) as Ethiopian, that is, all Blacks. Similarly, "Anak" for "giant" originally meant "a member of the nation of the Anakim" and only later anybody who is big as they were supposed to be, that is, any giant.

But I agree with the "my dad can beat up your dad" purpose of exaggerating their size.
 
Sorry, just saw this
could you point out for me in the Hebrew bible where the Anakim are described as giants, I thought that was just the mistranslation which appears in the KJV
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm
thanks
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Here are a few verses describing them as giants.

Numbers 13:33:

And we there saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.

Deuteronomy 2:10, 11:

The Emim formerly lived there, a people great and many, and tall as the Anakim; like the Anakim the were also known as Rephaim, but the Moabites call them Emim.

Deuteronomy 3:11:

For only Og the king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Nine cubits [13 1/2 feet] was its length, and four cubits [6 feet] its breadth, according to the common cubit.

Deuteronomy 3:20, 21a:

That also is known as land of Rephaim; Rephaim formerly lived there, but the Ammonites call them Zamzumim, a people great and many, and tall as the Anakim . . . .

So, the Anakim = the Nephilim = the Emim = the Rephaim = the Zamzumim = giants.
 

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