The Neanderthalers would have almost had to be white to survive in cold and cloudy Europe. The Cro-Magnon may well have been black or very dark, having only recently left Africa.
30,000 Years is not recent
The latest findings show some Neanderthaler genes among all populations except a few in Africa. (I cannot find the exact breakdown, but I would be surprised if the Khoisan had the fewest Neanderthaler genes.
You cannot find the exact breakdown because one hasn't been done. So do you have any supporting evidence for this apart from the statement made in the press that the 1 - 4% actually only applies to Eurasian peoples and those descended from them ?
So picking the most isolated group in Southern Africa isn't difficult is it.
I live in an area where about one family in ten is multi-racial, including mine.
Most of the Korean/European couples have enormous children. The smallest people in the world are isolated peoples like the Khoisan peoples.
Do you have any supporting evidence for that spurious claim, and how exactly does a comparison between two groups of homo sapiens have any relevance to a discussion between neanderthal and sapiens. Have you studied genetics much ?
What is much more likely is that you are seeing the results of better nutrition across the board, each successive genration of children who have access to better food will always be larger than their parents. Did you eliminiate the mndane before jumping to a conclusion based on a handful of children, what were their heights at each age compared to the national average ??
Which would make a blonde population stand out a bit, wouldn't it? They might look like people from another world.
As the gene responsible for Blonde hair only evolved in Sapiens 11,000 years ago yes it would be remarkable, They would look like people from another world, i.e. the future
Based on recent genetic information carried out at three Japanese universities, the date of the genetic mutation that resulted in blonde hair in Europe has been isolated to about 11,000 years ago during the last ice age. Before then, Europeans mostly had black hair, which is predominant in the rest of the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond#Evolution_of_blond_hair
Besides which
"We can't say anything for the actual fossils we looked at, but we can be sure that part of the Neanderthal population was red-haired," said study team member Michael Hofreiter of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21474978/
If you examine the skulls of the Horto people, they are clearly pure Homo sapiens sapiens.
Living where they did when they did they would have been 1 - 4 % Neanderthal,
The Predmosti people stilled showed some Neanderthaloid features.
Living where they did when they did they would also have been 1 - 4 % Neanderthal, they were part of the Gravettian culture and being hunter gatherers are typified by robust specimens. I see what youre doing here but as you don't seem to understand how genetics works you are making a simple error. That error of course is in assuming that Homo Sapiens are identical unless they have Nenaderthal genes. Today there are larger skeletal differences between East African and European peoples than ever existed between Sapiens and Neanderthals. Perhaps I should spell out what the Neanderthal news means simply so you understand it, They are no longer Homo Neanderthal, they are now Homo Sapiens Neanderthal, The same species as us, just a different lineage, otherwise we wouldnt be discussing hybrid breeding, see, interspecies breeding is impossible in primates, the common definition of species actually forbids it.
species defined said:
A common definition is that of a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring of both sexes and separated from other such groups with which interbreeding does not normally happen.
Unless you want to argue multiple sources of modern humans, you have to accept the possibility of interbreeding on a rather large scale.
I would rather stick with the currently accepted scientific paradigm, that small groups of Sapiens Sapiens met small groups of Sapiens Neanderthalis when the first group left africa by the main route. The near east. Of the other two proposed routes out of Africa, across the red sea and across the meditteranean, neither happened with enough numbers to set up a founder population, and even if it did, they would later have shared their genes with those who left via the near east which would have averaged out the percentage of Neanderthal genes that all eurasian peoples possess. thats why its stated as between 1 and 4 % and not a definitive percentage.
how did you miss that, as every group of humans at some point either passed through Neanderthal central they picked up the genes before they spread across the earth, starting 60,000 years ago and continuing until the extinction of the Neanderthals 30,000 years later.
Really, leftyseargent, the idea that Neanderthals are referenced in the bible has no merit, no matter how much you don't understand the facts. The Bene Elohim are according to Judaism the sons of Seth, I posted that earlier, I'm surprised you ignored it, still were getting used to people with a biblical agenda ignoring things in this forum arent we.
I'm still waiting to hear abot the 30,000 year oral tradition as well which doesn't appear in any culture but Judaism, any evidence for that yet ?
I would not suggest that there were a lot of Sumerians with heavy Neanderthal genetic traits, but such were spreading throughout the human populations. The Horto people were contemporaneous with Neanderthalers. We know that their ranges over-lapped before the Neanderthalers, as a distinct people disappeared What the new findings suggest is that the Neanderthalers did not die without issue.
Laughable
The Sumerians were probably not within their original range when they learned to write. All histories that they had would have been orally transmitted. Not a very consistant way of transmitting facts.
The Sumerian genetics are derived from peoples who had always lived in the fertile crescent. The very same areas as Neanderthals
and the vast majority of their histories are redacted. Maybe you could read some first before making statements about them.
All our stories of ogres, trolls and giants may stem from stories told generations later of really strange-looking people whom our ancestors met in their migrations.
All those stories already have an origin, and it isn't anywhere near Neanderthal areas, unless you've heard of an enclave of lost neanderthals living in Scandinavia now as well ?
what you are doing simply in proposing to have an answer to the "Alien bleevers" claims is first qualifying their claims as credible, which they aren't anywhere near and then ignoring the already fully supported paradigm. The Bible is not a history book, how many times have you heard that already
