Calling all Boxcutter Conspiracy Theorists

BigAl said:
I've identified the source of your confusion.

(1) The first lists reported in the news were compiled by the news services. They weren't accurate and after some investigation were updated.

(2) All the hijackers used multiple aliases and Arabic-English translation of names has it's own problems. For instance;

Osama bin Laden or Usama bin Laden. Goggle will show that both are common.

Wail M. Alshehri -Alias: Mehan Atta; Mohammad El Amir; Muhammad Atta; Mohamed El
[*]Sayed; Mohamed Elsayed; Muhammad Muhammad Al Amir Awag Al Sayyid
[*]Atta; Muhammad Muhammad Al-Amir Awad Al Sayad
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The first lists were compiled from lists supplied by the airline operators. are you trying to tell me that these people didn't know who was on their planes?
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Sharp pokey things don't play well with fire hoses and tires. Sharp flat pokey things also are really not a good idea where helicopter prop wash is expected due to medivacs.

Life and limb always takes priority over preserving evidence in place.
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Absolutely 100% true. I wouldn't give a damn about what was in my way to possibly save lives. Even if it was the last shred of evidence left, I would step on it if I had to.

I'll be damned to let someone parish on my watch if I have any say so in the matter.
 
roscoe_the_first said:
The guy is moving evidence. this makes any subsequent investigation flawed at best.
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Moving evidence doesn't automagically disqualify it from being used later as long as a) the person moving it signs a statement describing the where and why it was moved from and to, and 2) The evidence is still available and intact other than its original location. In this case there is a good reason to move the debris (as I explained above) and it's highly unlikely that not leaving it in place would impact the investigation one iota. The only flaw here is in your thinking that it implies a bad investigation subsequent to it being moved.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Moving evidence doesn't automagically disqualify it from being used later as long as a) the person moving it signs a statement describing the where and why it was moved from and to, and 2) The evidence is still available and intact other than its original location. In this case there is a good reason to move the debris (as I explained above) and it's highly unlikely that not leaving it in place would impact the investigation one iota. The only flaw here is in your thinking that it implies a bad investigation subsequent to it being moved.
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Your understanding of crime scenes is a little primitive.
 
triforcharity said:
Absolutely 100% true. I wouldn't give a damn about what was in my way to possibly save lives. Even if it was the last shred of evidence left, I would step on it if I had to.

I'll be damned to let someone parish on my watch if I have any say so in the matter.
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Yes especially as the damaged section contained the Pentagon budget files and that Rumsfeld had announced that $3 trillon dollars were missing from the pentagon budget on September 10th 2001. How convenient
 
roscoe_the_first said:
Your understanding of crime scenes is a little primitive.
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Yours appearss to be non-existant. Read Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11 150 interviews with participants and eye-witnesses by Patrick Creed
 
roscoe_the_first said:
except the hijackers
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In New York City, medical examiners used DNA profiles furnished by the FBI to match body parts with three of the 10 hijackers who crashed there. In the Pentagon and Pennsylvania cases, nine genetic profiles that matched no known victims were presumed to be hijacker remains, Smith says.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-09-11-sept11-remains_x.htm

So no, there was no positive ID of the hijackers via DNA evidence at the Pentagon. If you do not have any original DNA to go off of, it is impossible to use DNA for identification. But this is irrelevant. All of the other vicitms on the flight manifest were identified through DNA verification. Was all of that DNA evidence planted?
 
roscoe_the_first said:
Your understanding of crime scenes is a little primitive.
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Ok, if you say so. Then again I don't get my information from CSI: Miami or Law & Order. Lets ask the Goddess of Leagaltainment what she thinks...

*claps twice, ruffles a sheaf of papers and then spits 3 times towards Toronto*
 
roscoe_the_first said:
the gloves he's wearing suggests he doesn't want to cut his hands. The final resting place of that piece is critical in an investigation.

Incidently why can't we see this piece now?
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No, those are latex or nitrile gloves. Those are not leather gloves, or some other kind of protective gloves. Those are, most likely latex.

Because it belongs to American Airlines. Please contact them.

ETA: I do see, that upon further inspection, they do appear to be some kind of leather gloves. I was mistaken.
 
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Quad4_72 said:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-09-11-sept11-remains_x.htm

So no, there was no positive ID of the hijackers via DNA evidence at the Pentagon. If you do not have any original DNA to go off of, it is impossible to use DNA for identification. But this is irrelevant. All of the other vicitms on the flight manifest were identified through DNA verification. Was all of that DNA evidence planted?
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No. did it come from the Pentagon? The people being accused are the ones handling the evidence.
 
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