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Alt+F4 said:
Yeah, that was wrong too.
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Yep. But just as flat-earthists and spherical-earthists are both wrong, they're not equally wrong.

The Megrahi release is 'wrong', perhaps, in timing. A timing which requires a precision in prognosis that is rarely available.

Calley was very different.
 
GlennB said:
Yep. But just as flat-earthists and spherical-earthists are both wrong, they're not equally wrong.

The Megrahi release is 'wrong', perhaps, in timing. A timing which requires a precision in prognosis that is rarely available.

Calley was very different.
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Both were convicted of murder, both should have died in prison. Just my 2..5 cents.
 
dtugg said:
Do you actually think that there is any chance whatsoever that it would happen in the USA? Or are you just trolling?

In case it's the former, let's lower the standard from mass murdering terrorists to mass murderer. To my knowledge no mass murderer has ever been granted compassionate release in the USA although there have been some that would have qualified in Scotland. One example is Susan AtkinsWP who recently died in prison. Can you name one mass murderer who has ever been granted a compassionate released in the USA?
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funk de fino said:
Can you name one in Scotland or England who has been refused? Do we treat this guy different because he was a muslim and killed Americans?
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fun de fino nailed it.
 
funk de fino said:
Can you name one in Scotland or England who has been refused? Do we treat this guy different because he was a muslim and killed Americans?
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Can you name one in Scotland or England that received the same medical evaluations and doctors as Megrahi before release? Do Scotish and English inmates usually have three specialists (including a foreign one) determine their condition for a compassionate release? Yes, this guy was treated differently because he was a Muslim and killed Americans....he was treated BETTER than your average dying Scotish or English inmate.

It would be interesting to know on average how long Scottish and English inmates lived after their compassionate releases.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Can you name one in Scotland or England that received the same medical evaluations and doctors as Megrahi before release? Do Scotish and English inmates usually have three specialists (including a foreign one) determine their condition for a compassionate release? Yes, this guy was treated differently because he was a Muslim and killed Americans....he was treated BETTER than your average dying Scotish or English inmate.
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My bolding.

Please read funk's post #43 regarding this foreign medic.

Meanwhile please provide evidence that Megrahi was treated better than an average Brit in the same circumstances,
 
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Indeed, as Funk del Fino points out, this is an issue of Scottish law. I can understand the sentiment that convicted murderers SHOULD serve full life. But where the laws say differently, you can't call it improper or suspect when the results are different from what one might prefer.

The law says when there's a prognosis that says three months or less is likely, that's close enough to life. The diagnosis is real, so the release was justified.

That doesn't prove the diagnoisis was sound, nor does his continued survival prove it was unsound.

Great discussion!
 
GlennB said:
Please read funk's post #43 regarding this foreign medic.
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You're right, I was wrong. Megrahi's release was not based on the opinon of three doctors....it was at least six.

Meanwhile please provide evidence that Megrahi was treated better than an average Brit in the same circumstances,
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From a link in funk's post #43, Megrahi's release was based on:

they (the Scotish government) drew on expert advice from 'a number' of specialists for the clinical assessment of Megrahi's life expectancy. These included two consultant oncologists, two consultant urologists and a number of other specialists, including a palliative care team, who had reviewed and contributed to the clinical management of the patient.
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Does the average British or Scotish inmate seeking a compassionate release get this type of assessment before a determination has been made?
 
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Alt+F4 said:
You're right, I was wrong. Megrahi's release was not based on the opinon of three doctors....it was at least six.



From a link in funk's post #43, Megrahi's release was based on:



Does the average British or Scotish inmate seeking a compassionate release get this type of assessment before a determination has been made?
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Kudos. Fair question. I know not the answer.
 
Caustic Logic said:
Kudos. Fair question. I know not the answer.
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When I have time tomorrow I will see if I can find out how British and Scotish inmate are medically assessed for compassionate release. It might be the same as for Megrahi, but I doubt it.
 
funk de fino said:
Can you name one in Scotland or England who has been refused? Do we treat this guy different because he was a muslim and killed Americans?
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No, you should treat him differently because he killed a bunch of people. I would say the same thing if he were white and no American died. If any other mass murderers have been released from prison in Scotland or England just because they got sick, that just further proves how stupid the law is.
 
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I would guess Megrahi had more advice and perhaps friendlier advice than average. I doubt it's because he's a Muslim or terrorist and the UK gave him better care. Likely it's because Megrahi or someone paid them and that's allowed. Maybe their opinions are supposed to be weighed lightly, only FYI to the real deciding doctors? I don't know, let's see what anyone finds out more specific.

Ronnie Biggs is quite interesting. His case parallels Megrahi's in a lot of ways. Almost as convenient as the Atkins thing, the UK way of showing the Megrahi release ISN'T special. Happens all the time, even with baddies like Biggs. He's still alive too, isn't he?
 
dtugg said:
Biggs, at least, didn't kill a bunch of people.
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As I was writing that up I figured there'd be someone along soon to point that out.

The point of course is whether people in different situations are treated differently. So that fact that he wasn't a mass murdering terrorist is makes the point rather then invalidating it.
 
But they should be treated differently. I don't have a problem giving a compassionate release to someone who just stole a bunch of money.
 
dtugg said:
But they should be treated differently. I don't have a problem giving a compassionate release to someone who just stole a bunch of money.
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But that's the nub of the matter. Should they really be treated differently? Who are we showing compassion to? I don't think either Meghari (assuming his guilty) or Biggs deserve compassion. I know I'd rather lose my liberty than my life so I don't make the mistake of thinking that a protracted death is somehow getting off lightly, being confined to a hospital bed, or being confined to a prison hospital bed is much the same, but it's the families I have compassion for. They deserve a chance to share these last moments.
 
What's the practical value of keeping him locked up, paying for his medical and end-of-life care, when he is clearly no longer a threat to society?
 
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