Ah, it's coffee break, I'm bored. Let's go over this.
What I don't get is that this TOPIC, is about Dr. Snyderman and VACCINES.
Why people are having troubles staying on topic is beyond my control, so don't blame me, because someone redirects and distorts what I say, why reply to a bunch of blabbering idiots?
Insulting your fellow-posters is a good way to get another spell on the naughty step. I wouldn't recommend it.
When I type, people tend to see words that aren't there and contexts that were not intended, so show me some people that can stay on topic, and not dodge issues brought up, or denying what I'm saying (that toxic chemicals exist in vaccines that shouldn't be there, sure there are toxic chemicals in the environment, and we can't keep all those out, but I can sure as hell.. say NO to deadly vaccines, and I.... KNOW that WATER itself, is not toxic, but if you want to be an idiot, go ahead and distort and redirect this TOXIC CHEMICAL IN MEDICINE.. into "hey if you drink enough water its toxic" umm NOOOOOO!!!! You can be INTOXICATED by drinking too much water, but WHO DOES THAT?! IDIOTS.. so.. I'm not concerned about what IDIOTS do with water, is up to them, don't be an idiot and don't take your IDIOT talking points to a discussion about DRUG PUSHERS and the DRUGS they PUSH!
Let's go over this One More Time. "The dose makes the poison." Absolutely
everything is poisonous if you take in enough of it, even if it only causes mechanical injury. Water is a good case in point. It's essential for life, but indeed if you drink too much it will poison you. Just because you think someone is an idiot if they do that (like the man with the toothache I mentioned earlier) doesn't make it any less true.
The other side of the coin is that even the most deadly poisons are harmless in sufficiently minute doses. The deadliest poisons are all "natural" products (puffer-fish toxin and some clostridial toxins and so on), but even they can safely be ingested so long as you make sure only to take in a tiny amount.
Now...
medical establishment TOLD us there was no mercury... LIE
No mercury in thiomersal? Nobody ever told anyone that, for one reason because it's obvious from the name of the compound. Thio-MER-sal.
medical establishment TOLD us they took it out... LIE
Er, not a lie. Even though thiomersal is perfectly safe due to that "minute dose" thing, they took it out of children's vaccines anyway to placate the baying mob of ill-informed lunatics.
This might not hae been such a smart move. Thiomersal is a preservative, used to make it possible to employ multi-dose vaccine bottles. If you want to pay more, you can have single-dose vials that don't need a preservative. Fine. However, countries in the third world are still using the multi-dose vials with the thiomersal, and are now refusing to vaccinate their children "because it has this mercury compound in it that the USA was forced to take out of vaccines for domestic use, what are you trying to do, poison us?" So the poor kids don't get vaccinated and dangerous diseases spread.
medical establishment, instead of taking it out, TOLD us that its now good for us.... LIE
Nobody told you mercury (or even thiomersal) is good for you. However, safe, uncontaminated vaccines with an effective preservative are good for you.
medical establishment TOLD us for decades that there was no mercury in silver fillings... LIE
Rubbish. What you call "silver" fillings have always been referred to as "mercury-amalgam" fillings. Nobody ever tried to conceal that.
medical establishment TOLD us for decades that mercury was safe in the fillings... LIE
Actually, that's true.
medical establishment TOLD us over and over again, that if you believed there was mercury in the fillings, or the vaccines, that we were conspiracy theorists, kooks, nuts, tin-foil-hat wearing momma's boy living in the basement... MORE LIES
Citation?
medical establishment TOLD us that Gardasil was safe... its killed over 30(last time I checked.. last year) women so far, how many more haven't we heard about yet? and they're still getting on Television claiming that this will prevent cancer, and yet there's many studies done by the manufacturer, in the insert that comes with the vaccine, mentions.
Please produce evidence that Gardasil has killed anyone at all.
People die all the time. Even teenage girls sometimes die. If you give a product to that many people, just in the normal course of events some of them will die shortly afterwards. So far as I know, not one of these deaths has been shown to be causally related to the vaccine.
medical establishment TOLD us Vioxx was safe.. meanwhile it killed over 55,000 Americans.. more than the Vietnam War, and it was approved again!
And how do you know Vioxx wasn't safe? Because the medical establishment monitored the drug and did the statistics and did the tests. If they'd done what you fruitcakes do with your herbs, just assume everything is fine and never follow anything up, nobody would know to this day.
Was it really as many as 55,000 excess deaths in the USA? Can someone confirm this?
meanwhile doctors like Dr. Wakefield that DOES the studies that finds there's major problems with these vaccines and other drugs, then the ESTABLISHMENT PIMPS decide to go after him, not because he's a "quack" but because if they don't they could lose BILLIONS, if not TRILLIONS of dollars(over decades) pushing petroleum pills and vaccines onto us!
Ah, no. Wakefield really
was Evil Big Pharma cooking his results for fun and profit. He was entirely motivated by getting the millions, billions and trillions all for himself. Funny you don't recognise it when it actually happens.
Wakefield wanted to prove that the standard vaccine was harmful. He had a good reason for this. He himself had taken out a patent on a quack preparation made from goat's milk that he fondly imagined he could sell instead of vaccines. His first idea was that MMR caused Crohn's disease, but even he had to admit there was no evidence for that. However, a lawyer who had a bunch of clients who wanted to sue the vaccine manufacturer because they believed MMR had caused their children to be brain damaged, saw Wakefield's work on Crohn's disease, and commissioned him to find evidence to show the vaccine caused brain damage.
Wakefield was set to rake in the money in two ways. One as an "expert" being paid to present evidence in court that the vaccine was harmful (he was paid £55,000 plus a fee of £150 an hour for this work, over and above his normal salary), and second by selling the goat's milk pills which he wanted all children to be given instead of the vaccine.
So he made up his results. This is well documented. He lied about the time of onset of the children's medical problems and he lied about the type of behavioural problems they had, and he lied about their lab results.
The reason he was struck off though was less about the lying and more about the fact that he used a bunch of mentally disturbed children as lab rats, subjecting them to a battery of painful and distressing tests that were not necessary for their own treatment, but simply to generate data for his research.
This is the man you seem to admire?
You want to live in a world that the only answer your doctor can give you, is in a prescription.. then you go live in that world.
Indeed, no. Doctors have many answers that don't involve prescriptions.
Leave me to my herbs that come from the earth, not some synthetic pills and animal genetics in my blood.. EFF that!
You didn't notice that a large number of licensed drugs originally come from herbs? You didn't notice that "herbs that come from the earth" can be extremely poisonous? Deadly nightshade, yew, laburnum, foxglove, ragwort, the list even of common plants that are deadly poisons is very long. And then someone mentioned tobacco?
And yet, many of these poisonous plants do yield useful drugs when we get that pesky dose thing right. Atropine, taxol, digitalis.... Like everything else, deadly poison in a high enough dose, absolutely without effect in a low enough dose. And they also happen to be beneficial to certain medical conditions in just the
right dose.
So you want to go on playing with your plants, with no idea about what dose of anything you're dealing with, whether you're producing no effect or a poisonous effect, please carry on. There's probably a Darwin award in it for you at some point.
Rolfe.
