The Freeman Movement and England

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Protection from what, exactly ? I am able to protect myself. I am not in kindergarten. I do not need the nanny state. Thanks for the offer.

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Yes, by continuing to live under the protection of that society. If you don't like it, I suggest that you leave.
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... are you saying that members of parliament were immune before the bill of rights, and just figured they'd write it down in 1689, cause they were so bored that day...?
 
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Protection from what, exactly ? I am able to protect myself. I am not in kindergarten. I do not need the nanny state. Thanks for the offer.
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You live on a planet were people can reign down death form bunkers thousands of mile away. Where guns spit supersonic lead thousands of times a minute. Where artillery can lob chunks of high explosives for miles. Where 60 tonne tanks can break 30mph. Were weapons can exceed the heat of the heart of the sun. No it's not a kindergarten and you can't look after yourself.
 
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I not only put this to the test but I live by it. The evidence is my own life and the lives of all who are free.
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So you say, but, as I said, your claims alone aren't convincing. I'd like to be convinced, but I need real evidence, not just more of your claims.
 
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Protection from what, exactly ? I am able to protect myself. I am not in kindergarten. I do not need the nanny state. Thanks for the offer.
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I'm assuming you don't access the NHS, state benefit system, use the police or fire rescue service, you have your own clean water supply and clean air supply, you didn't attend free school, you are not expecting to draw a pension, you don't use the road and rail system, you dispose of your own rubbish and sewage, you've never lived in social housing,you don't buy food from shops and many other things regulated by a nanny state.
 
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I'm assuming you don't access the NHS, state benefit system, use the police or fire rescue service, you have your own clean water supply and clean air supply, you didn't attend free school, you are not expecting to draw a pension, you don't use the road and rail system, you dispose of your own rubbish and sewage, you've never lived in social housing,you don't buy food from shops and many other things regulated by a nanny state.
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No, no, no. Those are the things he consents to. He just doesn't consent to things like taxes and traffic laws. See, the great thing about consent is that it turns the rule of law into a buffet - consent to laws that provide benefits and withdraw consent from those that impose burdens. Pick and choose! Isn't freeloading on the land great!
 
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D'rok said:
No, no, no. Those are the things he consents to. He just doesn't consent to things like taxes and traffic laws. See, the great thing about consent is that it turns the rule of law into a buffet - consent to laws that provide benefits and withdraw consent from those that impose burdens. Pick and choose! Isn't freeloading on the land great!
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Certainly sounds like it.

Point me at the trough........I mean delightful Freeman finger buffet, where I can gorge....I mean partake politely of the many and varied delicacies on offer, but I don't consent to the Tax Twigletts.....or 30mph vol-au-vents.
 
D'rok said:
No, no, no. Those are the things he consents to. He just doesn't consent to things like taxes and traffic laws. See, the great thing about consent is that it turns the rule of law into a buffet - consent to laws that provide benefits and withdraw consent from those that impose burdens.
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...and ignore all those bits of common law that don't suit, such as the 17th century decisions that effectively made habeas corpus unworkable and had to be overruled by statute.
 
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You are right.

The law of the land.

And the law of the land is the Common Law. Which states that if no loss or harm is caused to an individual there is no crime. Which also recognises the Rights of the individual.
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Especially, you have said in the past that this "law of the land" you refer to is not English common law so would you be kind enough to explain when this "law of the land" first appeared and who or what invented/implemented it?
 
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Yes, but I have the power of consent. I never consented to join any society.
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So leave.

Oh, and please drop the pretense that you're British. I'd say it's making you look stupid, but... well... yeah. It's definitely not helping your case, though.
 
Really ?

And is Parliament free to break the law of this land ? When they, courts, kings and you and I are all subject to the law of this land ?.

Answer - NO

I retain my rights in law. What law ? The Common Law.

There, is that simple, or what ?

As for the feudal, oligarchical, society known as Parliament that is NOT democracy. In fact, at the last general election the electorate were given no right to vote to get a parliamentary majority. Just as they were given no vote to be united with the EU.

Some 'democracy' ? Some EU. It's a circus.

Don't you just love the feudal oligarchs and corporate spin merchants of the corporatised and now EU state ? Signed up to by stooges, bogus parties, the usual assembly of dynastic barons, fraternity members, corporate courts, corporate magistrates, spin merchants, oath swearing solicitors, and the usual opportunists ? Don't you just love politics ? And corporate police forces, corporate bankers, corporate broacasters, corporate political parties and wholly unelected dynasties ? The Vaticanised bloodlines have never been so prominent. It's the feudal system all over again. Baron and Baroness Munchausen. LOL


Mojo said:
Yes, but we have this thing called parliamentary democracy.
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Thank you for granting me the right to leave if I please. How humbled we are with your gift of my liberty. I am already aware of that right. Why don't you leave yourself ? For the nearest colonial gunboat which sails today to one of your penal colonies in the Atlantic ? Complete with your pension from the oath swearing oligarchs of the corporate empire.

Oh, and don't forget to bail out a corporate banker today, will you ? They tell me the unelected dynasty is seeking more expense money to run Buckingham Palace. LOL ! The comedy continues. (Must be tough when you are already one of the richest families on the entire planet, yes ?).

Let's all export some more 'democracy' to Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and anywhere that accepts the industrial/military complex with its yellow jackets and CCTV cameras. A brave new world order. At the cost of banker bailouts, EU empires, and the usual stooges of the oath swearing fraternities.

Sledge said:
So leave.

Oh, and please drop the pretense that you're British. I'd say it's making you look stupid, but... well... yeah. It's definitely not helping your case, though.
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Thank you for granting me the right to leave if I please.
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I'm not granting you anything. I'm pointing out the logical course of action for you to take.
I am already aware of that right. Why don't you leave yourself ?
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Why would I want to leave?

Oh, and I cut the rest of your post. I don't mind you trolling, but try and stick to the subject you're trolling on. There's a good lad.
 
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