The Freeman Movement and England

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So, please tell us, which law the 'bobbies' are sworn to uphold. It is (of course) the law of this land. The Common Law. And nothing else.
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The trouble is that you don't understand what the common law is.

Are you happy to live without habeas corpus, for example?
 
Yes, but I have the power of consent. I never consented to join any society. My consent was never asked for. Not once. I never gave it. Did I ? I did not join Parliament and nobody asked my opinion about it. I never joined the Himalaya Mountaineering Society and am not bound by its rules. Nor did I join the party of the politicians. I did not join the European Union. Or the Stitch and Sew Society. If I joined them I would voluntarily be subject to their rules. Nor did I ever join the Roman Catholic Church. Or the Law Society. In fact, I am free of any such societies and the rules which bind their members and have never consented to any of them ruling over me. That's fine with me.

It is extremely simple, isn't it ? Now, if you wish to be subject to the rules of these societies, that's your business. Do not force them on me because I am, you see, a free man. Subject only to the law of this land, the common law, and to my own conscience. Practicing the Golden Rule (to do unto others as I would have others do unto me). That IS the law and I am happy to ignore all the rest. Render unto Caeasar what belongs to Caeasar and unto God what belongs to God.

Since God alone is the ruler of his creation all other laws are man made and not relevant or binding on I, whom am free.

'He whom the son has made free is free indeed'.

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Any social order.The only way to avoid being part of one is to become a hermit,see no-one and live on nuts and berries.
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Mojo,

You are a little ignorant of this subject, aren't you ?

1. The law of this land recognises the right of its people not to be subject to the laws of a foreign power

2. The law of this land recognises the right of its people not to be under the rule of a foreign power.

3. It is unlawful for politicians or members of unelected dynasties to surrender national sovereignty to a foreign power.

(All of these facts are plainly stated in the Bill of Rights)

4. The people of this land did NOT vote at any time for European Union and no referendum was ever given to them on this issue of EU membership.

These are the plain facts.

Politicians are members of an oath swearing society. Whose rules are binding on them. The rules of a society are only binding on those who are its members. But not on me. I am not a member of their oath swearing, treasonous society.

Is this simple enough for you ?

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Mojo said:
Yes, you did, because your lawful representatives (under the constitution that you love to cite) did so on your behalf.
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You are right.

The law of the land.

And the law of the land is the Common Law. Which states that if no loss or harm is caused to an individual there is no crime. Which also recognises the Rights of the individual.

'Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. For this IS the law and the prophets'

(New Testament)

Therefore, what politicians do or what parliaments do, or what theologians do, is irrelevant to me. I am under the Common Law and maintain my lawful rights. That suits me fine. I retain my power of consent under the law of this land. And nobody takes my lawful rights from me. We have governments who serve people or people who serve governments. I choose the first.



Mojo said:
The law of the country in which you are living.
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Since God alone is the ruler of his creation all other laws are man made and not relevant or binding on I, whom am free.
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Good to know. If and when you put that to an actual test, please keep us informed of your progress and result.

Until that point, you know, the point where you have real evidence of your claims, you aren't all that convincing.
 
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Yes, but I have the power of consent. I never consented to join any society. My consent was never asked for. Not once. I never gave it. Did I ?
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Yes, by continuing to live under the protection of that society. If you don't like it, I suggest that you leave.
 
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You are right.

The law of the land.

And the law of the land is the Common Law. Which states that if no loss or harm is caused to an individual there is no crime. Which also recognises the Rights of the individual.
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Nyet. Treason is an offence under common law. In fact historicaly common law allowed for a very broad defintion of treason.
 
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You are right.

The law of the land.

And the law of the land is the Common Law. Which states that if no loss or harm is caused to an individual there is no crime. Which also recognises the Rights of the individual.

'Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. For this IS the law and the prophets'

(New Testament)

Therefore, what politicians do or what parliaments do, or what theologians do, is irrelevant to me. I am under the Common Law and maintain my lawful rights. That suits me fine. I retain my power of consent under the law of this land. And nobody takes my lawful rights from me. We have governments who serve people or people who serve governments. I choose the first.
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The law of the land also includes statute law. Whether you like it or not.

It is a fundamental principle of the common law system that statutes supersede case law.
 
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Statutes are all subject to the law of this land. Don't you even know that ? So are all Parliaments and even all Kings. Why not read about this ? It's called the Rule of Law. Kings are sworn to uphold the law of this land. So are magistrates. And policemen. So are Parliaments. So are the men and women of this land. Statutes are binding only on those who are members of the society who make them. I am not a member of any paid, oath swearing society and never have been. If you are, great. In such a case you are subject to the rules of your society. Good for you !

Mojo said:
The law of the land also includes statute law. Whether you like it or not.
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Mojo,

You are a little ignorant of this subject, aren't you ?

1. The law of this land recognises the right of its people not to be subject to the laws of a foreign power

2. The law of this land recognises the right of its people not to be under the rule of a foreign power.

3. It is unlawful for politicians or members of unelected dynasties to surrender national sovereignty to a foreign power.

(All of these facts are plainly stated in the Bill of Rights)

4. The people of this land did NOT vote at any time for European Union and no referendum was ever given to them on this issue of EU membership.
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Yes, but we have this thing called parliamentary democracy.
 
The Bill of Rights is a statute.
By the principle of Parliamentary Sovereignty any Parliament can by a simple majority overturn any Act passed by a previous Parliament.
You live in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. While you live there you are subject to its laws. Statute law is considered (this is the simple version) to be the codification of the common law. The common law only applies in areas where the law has not been codified.
For example much of contract law is still common law.
Another example - murder is a common law crime - but the penalty is prescribed by statute.
Rape used to be a common law crime but is now defined by statute.
Police constables swear to uphold the law - i.e. both common law and statute law.
Their powers come originally from common law but over the centuries they have been added to and removed by statutory means and by interpretation (common law)
Simples!
 
I not only put this to the test but I live by it. The evidence is my own life and the lives of all who are free.

jsfisher said:
Good to know. If and when you put that to an actual test, please keep us informed of your progress and result.

Until that point, you know, the point where you have real evidence of your claims, you aren't all that convincing.
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The Bill of Rights IS a Statute. You are completely correct. But the Rights themselves are not. They are my lawful property, recognised officially in the Statute that is the Bill of Rights. Those Rights existed long, long before that Statute was made. Ever read the Bill of Rights ? You should do so as a priority. It clearly states what my rights are, for and on the record. My lawful rights are recognised by Parliament. And the law of this land is binding on all parliaments and all rulers.

Simple.

Statutes are binding on members of the Society who make them. But they are all subject to the law of this land. The Common Law.

Simple.


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The Bill of Rights is a statute.
By the principle of Parliamentary Sovereignty any Parliament can by a simple majority overturn any Act passed by a previous Parliament.
You live in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. While you live there you are subject to its laws. Statute law is considered (this is the simple version) to be the codification of the common law. The common law only applies in areas where the law has not been codified.
For example much of contract law is still common law.
Another example - murder is a common law crime - but the penalty is prescribed by statute.
Rape used to be a common law crime but is now defined by statute.
Police constables swear to uphold the law - i.e. both common law and statute law.
Their powers come originally from common law but over the centuries they have been added to and removed by statutory means and by interpretation (common law)
Simples!
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