The Freeman Movement and England

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Rob has provided proof in the past.
Here it is
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95168&page=3
I have had a number of successes. I will recount my biggest three.

There was young man, 19 years of age, caught with coke. First charges, he was scared, had lost contact with his family, (a good 'christian' family of hardworking blue collar folks) I acted as his agent and secured the first ever diversion against cocaine possession charges. Diversion has been used for pot possession but never for harder stuff. It involved getting him back in contact with his folks, and the tearful reunion and change of heart was quite astounding. There was a series of letters written, he acknowledge and did some community service and moved back home with his folks, I helped him find employment doing construction, and the crown dropped all charges and all evidence of charges no longer exist. Thus he can travel to the states as opposed to what happens when you have a discharge. I consider this a big win for the positive effect achieved through this action. Standing in court, letting them all know that there was no way they were getting a piece of him without going through me first and seeing the look in the judges face, and the prosecutors arrogance turned to respect after a few phone calls, caused me to really think I had done good.

There was a hunter, who was out hunting for sustenance. He came across a Conservation Officer who asked for license and stuff. Not having any the CO took the mans firearm. He was ok with it and told him that he had 12 more at home and would just go get one and come back out. CO said he would keep taking the mans firearms. Man said that will work until you get to the last firearm, then you will be getting the bullets. CO did not like this and reported him to the RCMp and SWAT team descended upon his house. He had plants growing and ended up facing 12 charges. Everything from threatening a peace officer, possession, cultivation, trafficking, careless storage of firearm, unregistered firearms, etc. It was at this point I met him.

He was a smart cookie and picked up on the logic and reasoning quickly. He served them with a NUI and COR and Fee Schedule, and they called him back within 3 days to talk. They had an agreement for him to sign, which he did. In it they agreed to drop all charges, return all property, and he agreed to not speak to any CO's if he saw them in the bush whilst he was hunting. He is now a Freeman-on-the-Land and hunts regularly without permit or license and his small personal grow op is unmolested last I heard.

The other big win I point to is the discharge of $67.5 Million worth of Student loans which the government of BC discharged by set-off after I had started an action and started teaching people about the student loan set-off option. Many of the people going through the process had their loans completely discharged, and although the government did not point to our actions, the people bringing the action all found satisfaction, and those who did not make the initial government cut, now have the opportunity to point to the governments forgiveness and since there is simply no legislative function allowing for the people in the government to arbitrarily decide that a single mom can have her loans set-off but a single bloke cannot they cannot be denied remedy as well. Equality and all that.

So those are three of my most memorable.

Rob

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There was a young man called Menard who felt his life was incredibly hard,
A remedy in law he thought he had found, but it turned out he was actually bound.

JB
 
Um your question is unclear and ambiguous.
Do you mean 'All your peace officers will have cameras and badges" or do you mean "All your peace officers will ONLY have cameras and badges.'?
The question was perfectly clear. Your inability to understand it provides fresh insight into your laughable opinions on the legal system.
I go to the zoo to laugh at the monkeys. It does not mean I care what they think about me.
So calling someone a barnyard animal is wrong, but calling a group of people zoo animals is fine? Interesting. Regardless, I agree with your statement. You're just not on the side of the bars that you think.
 
Dont you just love Mr Menard.
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=675
Cost:
To become a member of the World Freeman Society you will have to pay a small sum.
Enrollment is $250 and we will accept gold, silver, cash, or cheques. This is a one time payment and will cover the cost of the newsletter, your ID cards, HQ administration and communications. I am basing that figure on trying to find a cost that anyone could afford, yet would still provide the most basic of things needed to be a society.

Yearly membership fees will be determined by the society members once a year and by consensus and discussion.

Cost of the Laissez Passer is to be determined and will likely be very close to the cost of a passport, whatever that may be.

In order to become a confirmed Freeman-on-the-Land you will have to go through the entire system again, but this time with $1000 to spend on the projects in which you become involved. You will decide where and how that money will be spent. If you have no money do not worry about it, as we can and will accept your promissory note and will redeem it at a later date for either your labour, goods or money. Your signature only has value to us if you keep your promises.

There is another one time fee and this is the thread of which I previously spoke. You will pay me $100 for me to use to survive and create a full length feature film which will allow us to share this information in a profoundly effective manner with the entire world. For those who do not believe my efforts over the past eight years are worth $100, feel free to keep your money and use it to create your own society, where a decade of effort is not worth one C-note.

Well this is what I have for you all so far. I am putting some final touches on it but do not want to expend even more energy on this matter until I see if it is acceptable. If it is acceptable let me know and I will reveal the next level concerning how to get your membership fees to the appropriate party.

For those who are interested and like what they see, you can begin by sending a cheque for $100 payable to Robert Menard to the following address.
ThinkFREE
P.O. Box 315
Unit 158 – 123 Carrie Cates Court
North Vancouver, BC
[V7M-3K7]
You should also prepare either a series of post dated cheques of $20 each or one large one for $250 and make that payable to The World Freeman Society, although new have yet to arrange the financial structure to accept them. Once we have 100 people who find this acceptable, we will determine who shall be our Chief Administrative Officer and they will then be responsible for the financial requirements and oversight of funds.

So according to Rob you cannot simply become a Freeman on the Land you must pay to have that title bestowed upon you by Rob himself.

Cult Leader ,you decide.

JB
 
If you have no money do not worry about it, as we can and will accept your promissory note and will redeem it at a later date for either your labour, goods or money.

Isn't that what the FOTL describe as slavery?
 
This is the problem, you have so far been unable to show or reference to a single case where FMOTL worked, much less a thousand people.

I have never come across one,perhaps our freeman can give us some authentic examples,and I don't mean the drivel on the David Icke site.
 
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I do find his ranting rather strange for someone who wishes to live by the "cause no harm" rule.

So you are saying these things you call a rant have harmed you, or not?

If so, then how? And if not, why mention it?
LMAO!

Did you get harmed Asky? :( :( :(

How would that be possible when no one knows who you are and you have no reputation?

All can see you are a government agent, or have some other reason to hide your identity.

You support the position that the government will hire people who will refuse to identify themselves and will seek to disparage the movement or proponents thereof. This will backfire on you, and has already increased our traffic!

Care to share your motive Asky? What was it again... oh yea you wanted to see me in jail, for expressing political opinions you disagree with. Is that not what you stated?

I do however appreciate the free publicity you provide for our actions!

:D Here I thought I would act hysterically so you can apply some intent or fear to my actions, you know, so you feel better about yourself!

:D:p:D:);) Look at me I am HYSTERICAL!:D:D:D:D:D
 
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Dont you just love Mr Menard.
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=675


So according to Rob you cannot simply become a Freeman on the Land you must pay to have that title bestowed upon you by Rob himself.

Cult Leader ,you decide.

JB


LMAO! Cult leader! Why thank you.

You are showing things that are a year and a half old, which was a suggested or proposed course of action which we decide to not follow, though something very similar to that has developed.

And no Asky, try as you might to deceive and divide, it is not bestowed by me, it is claimed by those who become Freemen. I guess that is the part you are trying to hide by raising the Cult Leader Boogie Man eh?
LMAO!
:D
PS You do have more tricks up your sleeves then these lame ass attempts to disparage don't you? Nothing more recent? And hey, regardless of if it was a good idea or not, (I thought it was), it did in fact develop into a society with thousands of people in it... All willfully consenting to membership and choosing to deny duty or obligation the governments you bow to. Hmmm...

And we grow daily... and exponentially...

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PS You do have more tricks up your sleeves then these lame ass attempts to disparage don't you?

He does, but he hasn't needed them so far. The idea of getting you to validate that, yes, these are the ideas you're promulgating (and thereby take ownership of Teh Stooopid) is doing all he could hope for.
 
PS You do have more tricks up your sleeves then these lame ass attempts to disparage don't you?

He does, but he hasn't needed them so far. The idea of getting you to validate that, yes, these are the ideas you're promulgating (and thereby take ownership of Teh Stooopid) is doing all he could hope for.
 
The question was perfectly clear. Your inability to understand it provides fresh insight into your laughable opinions on the legal system.

So calling someone a barnyard animal is wrong, but calling a group of people zoo animals is fine? Interesting. Regardless, I agree with your statement. You're just not on the side of the bars that you think.

A pen and a paper is considered legal recording material and is used extensively by police to make records, thus it is a recording medium. How is that distinction being made evidence of me being the laughable one?

As for my analogy that was all it was, and was mostly established by the amount of excrement is thrown on this forum. The other party though, actually called me a chicken, then changed it to a charlatan, and did not even bother with an analogy. Let me explain it this way.... Oh wait... forget it, analogies are lost on you. Don't want to be 'casting my pearls before swine'. ZING! :D;):p
 
That part in bold is what we tell the people who think they can govern without consent, and they always go away! Hmmm....

Okay, well the foundation of my beliefs is that all men are created equal, and before the law, all are equal, and thus no one may lawfully govern another without consent. Let see if there is any basis in your reality you call lawful for that foundation. "We the people.... " yeap read the document that starts with that, and you will have a basis in reality you cannot deny which states we are all equal. And it is so obvious that it required no proof for your founding fathers. Is that not good enough for you? Is that not proof that my ideas, foundation of which is equality, is based in reality? ONE EMBRACED BY THE CONSTITUTION NO LESS! That clearly should be good enough right?

When you have embraced that I will lead you by the hand through the rest of the logical sequence which leads to being a Freeman and why it is a proper and lawfully existing status.

As for those who need confirmation from some court, all you are doing is saying "Prove to me that someone who I think is better than me, agrees with you." "Show me a court that agrees with you, so I do not have to think for myself." That is what you are asking for. Why not think for yourself? Is it so hard for a group of supreme thinkers and people who take such pride in their critical thinking ability?

As for proving claims, it is the one who makes the first claim that has the duty to prove it. Mine follows the one made by the people in the government who claim the right to govern. They have been completely incapable of providing evidence that consent is not required to govern.

So if you are all such critical and skeptical thinkers, why do you not apply these talents to the original claim, the one that claims the right to govern, yet then apply it to the second claim? The one that says govenance requires consent.

Hey I have proof for you! Come here and try to govern me without my consent and see what happens. IF you can do it, I was wrong and reality has decided the case. If you can't reality has decided again. Is there even one of you willing to claim the right to govern me directly without my consent? How about ALL of you? Can anyone of you, or even all of you find anyone in Canada willing to publicly claim they can govern another Canadian without their consent? EVEN ONE?

Wow that looks like proof to me. None of you can explain how any or all of you could govern me without my consent in my country of birth.

I think one reason so many here who pride themselves on being critical and skeptical realize how they were completely unquestioning when it came to governmental affairs and their ludicrous claims to govern and control, that now you are ashamed that us Freemen bested you so well, and continue to do so so completely.

Here is my proof: NO ONE CAN GOVERN ME WITHOUT MY CONSENT PROOF BEING NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO TRY. Same is true here in Canada. Not a single elected official willing to claim the right to govern without consent. Not a single citizen. Not even a cop is willing to enforce statutory restraints against me without first seeing Government issued ID. Not a single one. Wow is that ever telling eh?

But I look forward to your findings concerning the Law Society and how they secured compliance from me concerning a certain court order. That story is very telling also.

The Declaration of independence is not the Constitution of the United States.
 
What the heck was that supposed to prove? That someone named Marc Zurawell knows nothing about Canadian history? If so...success!

Who sounds strangely like Rob, even to the "peace" sign off.
 
The Declaration of independence is not the Constitution of the United States.

Thank you. I stand corrected. But my position was confirmed right? You are saying that right? I may have got the name of the document wrong, and I thank you for correcting me, but it does say what I said it did, and my point clearly made, and since you had opportunity to dispute it, when you kindly corrected me, you have agreed with the original position.

Why you would not just admit that fact with your correction of my mistake makes me wonder if you were trying to gloss over the fact that my point was well made. Maybe you over looked it, being in such a rush to find fault and judge another...:rolleyes:
 
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