Men shouldn't get plastic surgery.

You say "often" grotesque. However, you need to define "often".

The thing is, you're only noticing the bad outcomes. You have no idea what proportion of the total these represent, because by definition you're not noticing the good outcomes. The good outcomes specifically being those where nobody realises anything's been done.

Rolfe.
 
a3sigma said:
The topic of the thread is the advisability of cosmetic surgery. I've expressed my view that the outcome is often grotesque, as are the effects of other vanities. I've illustrated my view with a couple of examples.
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The problem is that you have no idea if this is an outcome that really is often. It is so much easier to spot bad plastic surgery than good plastic surgery that you really have no idea what percentage of plastic surgery counts as bad.
 
He's really just saying, "I've noticed some plastic surgery outcomes that don't look too good. Therefore nobody should ever have plastic surgery."

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
He's really just saying, "I've noticed some plastic surgery outcomes that don't look too good. Therefore nobody should ever have plastic surgery."

Rolfe.
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I have said nothing of the sort. I'm saying that some good taste, moderation, and caution should be exercised.

A bad outcome to a simple, unobtrusive, procedure is a tragedy. When a normal, healthy, middle aged person tries to make themselves appear half their age, its a farce. The outcome is rarely, if ever, good.
 
How do you know? You simply aren't aware of the cases where the outcome is good.

Rolfe.
 
a3sigma said:
I have said nothing of the sort. I'm saying that some good taste, moderation, and caution should be exercised.

A bad outcome to a simple, unobtrusive, procedure is a tragedy. When a normal, healthy, middle aged person tries to make themselves appear half their age, its a farce. The outcome is rarely, if ever, good.
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Funnily enough this is why I am against men shaving.
 
Rolfe said:
How do you know? You simply aren't aware of the cases where the outcome is good.

Rolfe.
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I don't know. It seems to me a reasonable surmise, given what I have observed and some basic facts of human physiology.

OK, now we're flogging a dead horse, and no amount of plastic surgery is going to turn the old nag into a filly again.

I've nothing further to add to the views I've expressed, and I've read nothing in response that persuades me to alter them.

Live long, prosper, and age gracefully.
 
a3sigma said:
I don't know. It seems to me a reasonable surmise, given what I have observed and some basic facts of human physiology.
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You may think it's a reasonable assumption, but it's been pointed out time and time again that you're inevitably operating from an extremely skewed dataset.

a3sigma said:
OK, now we're flogging a dead horse, and no amount of plastic surgery is going to turn the old nag into a filly again.

I've nothing further to add to the views I've expressed, and I've read nothing in response that persuades me to alter them.
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No compulsion to continue the discussion, obviously. I'm saddened that nothing that's been said here has caused you to reconsider your assumptions though.

a3sigma said:
Live long, prosper, and age gracefully.
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Well, it's a nice thought. Some people, however, don't have the good fortune to age gracefully. I can't see any reason for demanding that they not do anything about that, simply because some of the attempts on show are less than stellar.

Sure, there are bad surgeons out there. And there are bad decisions too. The trouble is that the good decisions taken with the good surgeons are and will forever remain invisible, by definition.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
I can't see any reason for demanding that they not do anything about that, simply because some of the attempts on show are less than stellar.


Rolfe.
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I have not suggested, let alone demanded anything of the sort. I suggest that people exercise some judgment, and I suggest that you stop putting words in my mouth.
 
 
It's hard to judge from these pictures because of the various poses and expressions. What you need, and what a good plastic surgeon will take, are identical views with no particular expression (a relaxed face) before and after.

I wonder what people think about Anne Robinson. OK, she's not a man, but it's the same principle. No question that she's had at least one face lift. We can't know what she'd look like now is she hadn't had surgery, but on the whole I think the bitch looks pretty good for her age, damn her eyes.

Rolfe.
 
I nearly had plastic surgery last year.

Thankfully, the doctors were satisfied that the muscles in the thumb were still attached and the bone healed fine without surgery. It was close though, if the break had been 0.1 mm longer they would have done surgery.
 
a3sigma said:
The topic of the thread is the advisability of cosmetic surgery. I've expressed my view that the outcome is often grotesque, as are the effects of other vanities. I've illustrated my view with a couple of examples.

If you find this offensive, you should by all means say so. And, I do take your point -- but, I disagree with it. There is a great deal of human behavior that is vain, foolish, and self defeating. I've even been known to do a few such things myself. Must we not point out that people sometimes make themselves look silly for fear hurting someone's feelings? How else can we advise people not to make themselves look silly?
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What entitles you to be the final judge of what looks silly and what looks good? If that woman from the elevator gained confidence in her appearance by whatever changes she made, why would feel that someone should tell her she looks silly? How do you know that there isn't a man at home thinking she looks smoking hot? If you don't like it, don't do it.

Did you ever know a habitual gossiper; that person that just can't resist the urge to critique other people's private details when they are not around? Did you ever make the conscious decision to share as little as possible with that person because you can't help but wonder what they are saying about you behind your back? The same applies to people who have so much to say about how other people look. When I hear people making fun of other people for dressing silly or eccentric, wearing too much or not enough make-up, wearing cloths that they think are attrocious; I wonder, given the right circumstances, what would they say about me.
 
 
sgtbaker said:
What entitles you to be the final judge of what looks silly and what looks good?
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Nothing, I don't claim to be. Can you and Rolfe simply not help yourselves putting words in my mouth? Is it a disease or something?
 
TragicMonkey said:
I think the only reason more people don't alter their appearance is because it's too expensive, too painful, and far too limited in what can be accomplished. If costs go down and the technology improves, it will become more common. What if instead of going under the knife you could just pop a pill? Who wouldn't do that?
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Agree completely. As far as I am concerned, plastic surgery is right there with heart pacemakers, artificial knees, cochlear implants and (not quite yet, but getting there) bionic eyes. They are all steps toward transhumanism -- rejecting the notion that our bodies are "god-given", and recognizing them as imperfect machines which can be modified, improved, and just changed -- "change" does not have to be "improvement", it can be cosmetic.
 
I have vague memories of reading something about Anne Robinson having had at least two procedures done, and some comparison photographs. The point was that she didn't look so great after an earlier procedure, but she'd had either a revision or a further procedure, and looked much better.

Here's an article having a real go at her for having surgery. I think it's sour grapes. If I look like that at 64, I'm not going to argue with how I managed it!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1208768/Oh-Anne-Robinson-just-age-gracefully.html

Actually, that does look like graceful ageing to me. Good luck to her.

Rolfe.
 
a3sigma said:
Nothing, I don't claim to be. Can you and Rolfe simply not help yourselves putting words in my mouth? Is it a disease or something?
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I am not putting words in your mouth. I am responding to this statement:

Must we not point out that people sometimes make themselves look silly for fear hurting someone's feelings? How else can we advise people not to make themselves look silly?
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Who decides the standard for silly?

I'm saying that some good taste, moderation, and caution should be exercised.
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Good taste is an opinion.

A bad outcome to a simple, unobtrusive, procedure is a tragedy. When a normal, healthy, middle aged person tries to make themselves appear half their age, its a farce. The outcome is rarely, if ever, good.
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You would perceive an bad outcome based on your taste. Other's have different tastes and might not agree that it's a bad outcome.

I don't mean to hone in on you but you come off as very judgemental and not just towards bad plastic surgery. The balding guy with the gut, oversized clothes, hat positioned the wrong way, and an earing; you went at kind of hard and seemed to be rather put off by him being such a fashion victim and still having the nerve to go after a girl who was obviously out of his league. Would you have had the same issue if he was dressed to your standards and went after her?
 
Rolfe said:
I have vague memories of reading something about Anne Robinson having had at least two procedures done, and some comparison photographs. The point was that she didn't look so great after an earlier procedure, but she'd had either a revision or a further procedure, and looked much better.

Here's an article having a real go at her for having surgery. I think it's sour grapes. If I look like that at 64, I'm not going to argue with how I managed it!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1208768/Oh-Anne-Robinson-just-age-gracefully.html

Actually, that does look like graceful ageing to me. Good luck to her.

Rolfe.
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IMO Ms. Robinson and many people who have had extensive plastic surgery look 'wrong', though sometimes I can't quite put my finger on what I find not right about their appearance.

I'm always surprised how many people who undergo plastic surgery have their noses modified.
 
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