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The Official UK Election Thread! 6th May it is!

Galloway, the only Labour MP to oppose the war? Don't make me laugh.
There were far more notable MPs to take a stance against the invasion of Iraq.

Robin Cook, anyone?

First name I thought of, certainly. (Cook, I mean.)

Rolfe.
You both say that but apart from the following can you name a single one?

Miss Diane Abbott Hackney North and Stoke Newington Lab no
Mr Graham Allen Nottingham North Lab no
Mr John Austin Erith and Thamesmead Lab no
Mr Tony Banks West Ham Lab no
Mr Harry Barnes North East Derbyshire Lab no
Mr John Battle Leeds West Lab no
Miss Anne Begg Aberdeen South Lab no
Mr Andrew Bennett Denton and Reddish Lab no
Dr Roger Berry Kingswood Lab no
Mr Harold Best Leeds North West Lab no
Mr Bob Blizzard Waveney Lab no
Mr Keith Bradley Manchester, Withington Lab no
Mrs Anne Campbell Cambridge Lab no
Mr Ronnie Campbell Blyth Valley Lab no
Mr Martin Caton Gower Lab no
Mr David Chaytor Bury North Lab no
Mr Michael Clapham Barnsley West and Penistone Lab no
Ms Helen Clark Peterborough Lab no
Mr Tony Clarke Northampton South Lab no
Mr Harry Cohen Leyton and Wanstead Lab no
Mr Michael Connarty Falkirk East Lab no
Mr Robin Cook Livingston Lab no
Mr Jeremy Corbyn Islington North Lab no
Mr Jim Cousins Newcastle upon Tyne Central Lab no
Mr David Crausby Bolton North East Lab no
Mrs Ann Cryer Keighley Lab no
Mr John Cryer Hornchurch Lab no
Mr Tam Dalyell Linlithgow Lab no
Mr Ian Davidson Glasgow Pollok Lab no
Mr Terry Davis Birmingham, Hodge Hill Lab no
Mr Hilton Dawson Lancaster and Wyre Lab no
Mr John Denham Southampton, Itchen Lab no
Mr Jim Dobbin Heywood and Middleton Lab no
Mr Clive Efford Eltham Lab no
Mr Mark Fisher Stoke-on-Trent Central Lab no
Mr Paul Flynn Newport West Lab no
Mr George Galloway Glasgow Kelvin whilst Lab no
Mr Neil Gerrard Walthamstow Lab no
Mr John Grogan Selby Lab no
Mr David Hamilton Midlothian Lab no
Mr Doug Henderson Newcastle upon Tyne North Lab no
Mr David Heyes Ashton-under-Lyne Lab no
Mr David Hinchliffe Wakefield Lab no
Ms Kate Hoey Vauxhall Lab no
Mr Kelvin Hopkins Luton North Lab no
Ms Glenda Jackson Hampstead and Highgate Lab no
Mr Jon Owen Jones Cardiff Central Lab no
Dr Lynne Jones Birmingham, Selly Oak Lab no
Mr Peter Kilfoyle Liverpool, Walton Lab no
Mr Mark Lazarowicz Edinburgh North and Leith Lab no
Mr Terry Lewis Worsley Lab no
Mr Tony Lloyd Manchester Central Lab tellno
Mr Iain Luke Dundee East Lab no
Mr John Lyons Strathkelvin and Bearsden Lab no
Mrs Alice Mahon Halifax Lab no
Dr Jim Marshall Leicester South Lab no
Mr Robert Marshall-Andrews Medway Lab no
Ms Chris McCafferty Calder Valley Lab no
Mr John McDonnell Hayes and Harlington Lab no
Ms Ann McKechin Glasgow Maryhill Lab no
Mr Kevin McNamara Kingston upon Hull North Lab no
Ms Julie Morgan Cardiff North Lab no
Ms Linda Perham Ilford North Lab no
Mr Gordon Prentice Pendle Lab no
Mr Gwyn Prosser Dover Lab no
Mr Mohammad Sarwar Glasgow Govan Lab no
Mr Malcolm Savidge Aberdeen North Lab no
Mr Phil Sawford Kettering Lab no
Mr Brian Sedgemore Hackney South and Shoreditch Lab no
Mr Alan Simpson Nottingham South Lab no
Mr Marsha Singh Bradford West Lab no
Mr Chris Smith Islington South and Finsbury Lab no
Mr Llew Smith Blaenau Gwent Lab no
Mr George Stevenson Stoke-on-Trent South Lab no
Dr Gavin Strang Edinburgh East and Musselburgh Lab no
Mr Graham Stringer Manchester, Blackley Lab no
Mr David Taylor North West Leicestershire Lab no
Mr Jon Trickett Hemsworth Lab no
Dr Desmond Turner Brighton, Kemptown Lab no
Dr Rudi Vis Finchley and Golders Green Lab no
Ms Joan Walley Stoke-on-Trent North Lab no
Mr Robert Wareing Liverpool, West Derby Lab no
Mrs Betty Williams Conwy Lab no
Mr Mike Wood Batley and Spen Lab no
Mr Tony Worthington Clydebank and Milngavie Lab no
 
It's not something I'm any expert in. I merely thought "Robin Cook" when presented with the proposition that Galloway was the only opponent.

You'll have to ask EvilGiraffe which others he was thinking about.

Rolfe.
 
I agree with Rolfe. I wasn't presenting Mr Cook as the only alternative, merely one that sprang easily to mind.

To be honest, this has got so far from the original point of the thread that it's hardly worth pursuing. I think that we can probably agree that Skeptic and Rockingham are quite, quite wrong about their respective points.
 
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4)It's isolationist crankery to want to withdraw from an unelected government(EU)? Go isolationist crankery, if so.

I seem to remember voting in a EU election last year, and the Lisbon Treaty giving the EU Parliament more power over the council.
 
It's not something I'm any expert in. I merely thought "Robin Cook" when presented with the proposition that Galloway was the only opponent.

You'll have to ask EvilGiraffe which others he was thinking about.

Rolfe.

I agree with Rolfe. I wasn't presenting Mr Cook as the only alternative, merely one that sprang easily to mind.
I obviously need to work on my "apart from ..... what have the romans ever done for us" allegories.
 
Galloway, the only Labour MP to oppose the war? Don't make me laugh.
There were far more notable MPs to take a stance against the invasion of Iraq.

Robin Cook, anyone?


I agree with Rolfe. I wasn't presenting Mr Cook as the only alternative, merely one that sprang easily to mind.


You did indicate that there was more than one other. I agree it's fairly irrelevant, but does anyone have any info on who, and how many? We've been given a list of those that didn't oppose the war, but I don't know who's missing.

Rolfe.
 
You did indicate that there was more than one other. I agree it's fairly irrelevant, but does anyone have any info on who, and how many? We've been given a list of those that didn't oppose the war, but I don't know who's missing.

Rolfe.

Given that both Cook and Galloway are on Lothian's list, isn't that the list of Labour MPs who did oppose the war?

ETA: There are 85 names on the list.
 
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Given that both Cook and Galloway are on Lothian's list, isn't that the list of Labour MPs who did oppose the war?

ETA: There are 85 names on the list.
Yes it is the list of Labour MPs who opposed the motion, 3 Tories voted against it as did all Libdems, SNP, & PC MPs who voted. There were, as usual, a number who did not vote either way.

Link
 
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Well, Skeptic was quite right about Galloway being a buffoon and the BNP being fascists.

I'm no fan of Gorgeous George, but if he's a buffoon , what can we say about the intellect of the Senatorial committee he appeared to run rings around?

I wouldn't trust Galloway as far as I could kick him, but I don't think he's a buffoon.
 
I obviously need to work on my "apart from ..... what have the romans ever done for us" allegories.

Python detector broke over the weekend and I'm waiting for spare parts. :D

Back to the derail. You provided plenty of evidence that the Labour vote to invade Iraq was far from unanimous. Ergo, Rockingham is badly wrong on this point.

In other news, Skeptic might be right about the BNP being fascists but still hasn't explained why our disproportionate parliament is a good thing.
 
I'm no fan of Gorgeous George, but if he's a buffoon , what can we say about the intellect of the Senatorial committee he appeared to run rings around?

I wouldn't trust Galloway as far as I could kick him, but I don't think he's a buffoon.

He's a buffoon because he travelled down to the East End screaming about the evil imperialism of Bush and Blair in Iraq while leaving out the part about his support for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which led to the deaths of 2 Million Afghan civilians and the displacement of 5 Million more.
 
Galloway, the only Labour MP to oppose the war? Don't make me laugh.
There were far more notable MPs to take a stance against the invasion of Iraq.

Robin Cook, anyone?

Most minced their words out of respect for the corrupt establishment.


Galloway didn't. He gave the most accurate description of the Blair and Bush position, who, he said, had:

"lied to the British Air Force and Navy, when they said the battle of Iraq would be very quick and easy. They attacked Iraq like wolves..."

He gave the best advice to British troops: "... the best thing British troops can do is to refuse to obey illegal orders."
 
"lied to the British Air Force and Navy, when they said the battle of Iraq would be very quick and easy. They attacked Iraq like wolves..."

See my point above about his support for the devastating war in Afghanistan. Could he be any more of a hypocrite?
 
Most minced their words out of respect for the corrupt establishment.


Galloway didn't. He gave the most accurate description of the Blair and Bush position, who, he said, had:

"lied to the British Air Force and Navy, when they said the battle of Iraq would be very quick and easy. They attacked Iraq like wolves..."

He gave the best advice to British troops: "... the best thing British troops can do is to refuse to obey illegal orders."

I refer you back to the aforementioned Mr Cook:

Robin Cook said:
Ironically, it is only because Iraq's military forces are so weak that we can even contemplate its invasion. Some advocates of conflict claim that Saddam's forces are so weak, so demoralised and so badly equipped that the war will be over in a few days.

We cannot base our military strategy on the assumption that Saddam is weak and at the same time justify pre-emptive action on the claim that he is a threat.

Iraq probably has no weapons of mass destruction in the commonly understood sense of the term - namely a credible device capable of being delivered against a strategic city target.

It probably still has biological toxins and battlefield chemical munitions, but it has had them since the 1980s when US companies sold Saddam anthrax agents and the then British Government approved chemical and munitions factories.

Why is it now so urgent that we should take military action to disarm a military capacity that has been there for 20 years, and which we helped to create?

Why is it necessary to resort to war this week, while Saddam's ambition to complete his weapons programme is blocked by the presence of UN inspectors?

So... Gorgeous George was the sole voice of reason during the build-up to invasion? I think not.
 
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Most minced their words out of respect for the corrupt establishment.


Galloway didn't. He gave the most accurate description of the Blair and Bush position, who, he said, had:

"lied to the British Air Force and Navy, when they said the battle of Iraq would be very quick and easy. They attacked Iraq like wolves..."

He gave the best advice to British troops: "... the best thing British troops can do is to refuse to obey illegal orders."

The lying trash has gone. Vanquished. Pick another hero.
 
He's a buffoon because he travelled down to the East End screaming about the evil imperialism of Bush and Blair in Iraq while leaving out the part about his support for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which led to the deaths of 2 Million Afghan civilians and the displacement of 5 Million more.
That would make him a hypocrite, not a buffoon.
But for a politician, hypocrisy comes with the territory.
 
God, I'm actually with Campbell on this*, there's a number of supposedly impartial commentators seem to be either giving away their allegiances or just parading their ignorance more than usual.


I do feel dirty*...
 

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