Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[tsig]

I talk to a lot of people. I just can't talk to Fiona anymore. I ran out of Tylenol.
We were having a great conversation about the window then it once again digressed into a useless argument.

Where else would you like me to post? I have a blog, post there occasionally. I wrote a website expressing my opinion.

I don't care where you post it just seemed odd to sign up for a discussion forum and then refuse to discuss.

If you can't handle people disagreeing with you then maybe you should retreat to friendly territory.

 

[Dan O.]

Dan, I honestly think you need to rethink you reasoning on your last point.

I don't keep a file on the actions of the Kercher's. It is my memory that they spoke only of the negative interactions between Meredith and Amanda. Maybe that is all they had gotten from Meredith.

I don't intend to carry on any attack against the family or the memory of their daughter and may never mention them again so I'm not even going to look for references to support what I said.

 

[tsig]

You wrote: "the ledge is covered in glass"

This is simply not true. A slight majority of that ledge was not covered in glass.
How do you know that the glass was not disturbed? I believe that the glass was pushed toward the room.

I think guede had gloves on when he went through the window. Any good burglar would. Took them off to assault Meredith and took them with him when he left.

I think he was buck naked.

 

[capealadin]

Thanks, tsig. A welcome giggle.

 

[stilicho]

Thanks for the welcome Fulcanelli and Bruce,
I came to here to read more about this murder, and have read a lot on PS, PMF, TJMK, InJusustice, etc. But I still do not recall reading of a comparison between the 2 break-ins, the lawyers office and the murder scene. Do you guys/gals know if there are specific similarities between the 2, since Guede had the stolen laptop, which was from a break-in on the 2nd floor, and Guede was also in the house you guys/gals have been arguing about regarding that break-in?
RWVBWL

That's your first mistake. You're looking for a break-in at the Via Pergola cottage. The evidence demonstrates there was no break-in.

There was no evidence of glass outside and below Filomena's window. There was no evidence the wall was scaled. Nothing was taken from the room where the burglary was staged.

As has been explained before, the entire insurance industry will be shaken to its foundations by the assertion that experienced police investigators are unable to distinguish between a real burglary and a faked one.

 

[stilicho]

You keep forgetting that he opened the windows. He had plenty of room.

He was a burglar. Yes he targeted the cottage.

I said he most likely wore gloves. They would not be big mittens. I am sure you could open a latch wearing leather gloves. He would have taken them off to assault Meredith.

The gloves are the MacGuffin in your new novel. Did he bring a ladder along with the gloves? Dan O suggested that he used a ladder to enter Filomena's window. That would be MacGuffin #2.

I think you and Dan O are starting to see why your overly complex explanations bog down after a while. We haven't even arrived at the ME report which stated that Meredith's wounds were consistent with a multiple attacker scenario. Where did Rudy get his accomplices? Did they arrive at the cottage with ladders and gloves too?

 

[BobTheDonkey]

The gloves are the MacGuffin in your new novel. Did he bring a ladder along with the gloves? Dan O suggested that he used a ladder to enter Filomena's window. That would be MacGuffin #2.

I think you and Dan O are starting to see why your overly complex explanations bog down after a while. We haven't even arrived at the ME report which stated that Meredith's wounds were consistent with a multiple attacker scenario. Where did Rudy get his accomplices? Did they arrive at the cottage with ladders and gloves too?

Rudy brought 2 or 3 other guys with him.

1 stayed behind to get rid of the stick and ladder, the other 1 or 2 went in with him to help him restrain Meredith while he assaulted her.


ETA: During his "drifting", Rudy befriended some Ninjas (ref: Ninja Assassins), that's why there's no evidence of their existence. There's no evidence that Rudy was ever in Filomena's room, climbed through her window, walked through the garden below the window, etc because his ninja friends have been training him. He's only in training, so he freaked when Meredith was stabbed, and that's why his skills appear to disappear.

 

[Amazer]

Rudy brought 2 or 3 other guys with him.

1 stayed behind to get rid of the stick and ladder, the other 1 or 2 went in with him to help him restrain Meredith while he assaulted her.

While we're at it... Rudy is one of a set of (undocumented) triplets... identical ones too.

 

[stilicho]

I have read a bunch of different sites, and also the beginning of this thread, which was a lot nicer of a discussion when it was first started. Don't be a D**K!
Thanks, RWVBWL

Reported for breach of Rule 0 and Rule 10.

 

[capealadin]

The sherrifo,s in town. Yay!!

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I think he was buck naked.

What a crazy idea, a burglar wearing gloves. I have never heard of such a thing.

 

[capealadin]

So, Bruce, Kestrel..I,m still waiting to know how Raff knew nothing was missing? And why only one fingerprint of Amanda's on the glass in the kitchen, when she and raff cooked and ate there in the afternoon????

 

[Bruce Fischer]

The gloves are the MacGuffin in your new novel. Did he bring a ladder along with the gloves? Dan O suggested that he used a ladder to enter Filomena's window. That would be MacGuffin #2.

I think you and Dan O are starting to see why your overly complex explanations bog down after a while. We haven't even arrived at the ME report which stated that Meredith's wounds were consistent with a multiple attacker scenario. Where did Rudy get his accomplices? Did they arrive at the cottage with ladders and gloves too?

Rudy was a burglar. He entered the cottage through Filomena's window. I know you think that is impossible but it was rather easy. Rudy could easily reach the latch and open the window while standing on the top row of bars on the first floor window.

He plans changed when he encountered Meredith.

I know it is really far fetched that a burglar would wear gloves. I have never heard of that before. How could anyone even think something so ridiculous?

It is not necessary to talk about the obvious reasons that Rudy would remove his gloves to assault Meredith.

Meredith was murdered by a single attacker. She was murdered by Rudy Guede. There were 2 experts that testified at trial that Meredith was killed by one person.

FBI veteran Steve Moore agrees that Meredith was murdered by one attacker.

Go ahead and make jokes about her murder. That is a really intelligent thing to do.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

So, Bruce, Kestrel..I,m still waiting to know how Raff knew nothing was missing? And why only one fingerprint of Amanda's on the glass in the kitchen, when she and raff cooked and ate there in the afternoon????

Here is your finger print information;

Prosecutor Mignini made the claim that Amanda attempted to clean up her finger prints from the crime scene. Mignini stated: "It is reasonable to hypothesize that she herself felt the need to eliminate the traces of her presence from an apartment in which she lived."

At the trial, the prosecutor's own fingerprint expert, Giuseppe Privitera, flatly refuted this hypothesis. He said fingerprints tend to get smudged, often it is hard to find good ones even of someone who lives at the scene of an investigation, and nothing he found at the cottage suggested that any effort had been made to remove fingerprints intentionally.

 

[capealadin]

Ahh, so that would explain why Amanda's fingerprints were smudged in Meredith's room. And Raff knowing nothing was missing?

 

[slow lurker]

Bruce Fisher,
Please post those window and wall measurements.
There are likely a few of us lurkers who can potentially be convinced, but we need some of the facts you have.
Thanks

 

[Kestrel]

Rudy was a burglar. He entered the cottage through Filomena's window. I know you think that is impossible but it was rather easy. Rudy could easily reach the latch and open the window while standing on the top row of bars on the first floor window.

He plans changed when he encountered Meredith.

I know it is really far fetched that a burglar would wear gloves. I have never heard of that before. How could anyone even think something so ridiculous?

It is not necessary to talk about the obvious reasons that Rudy would remove his gloves to assault Meredith.

There are also obvious reasons why Rudy would take his gloves off before using a toilet.

 

[Amazer]

Rudy was a burglar. He entered the cottage through Filomena's window. I know you think that is impossible but it was rather easy. Rudy could easily reach the latch and open the window while standing on the top row of bars on the first floor window.

He has no official record of being a burglar. So he may or may not have been a burglar. Even then, he knew at least one of the occupants of the house. He could have just as easily rang their doorbell and if he found the cottage to be empty, entered through the kitchen window.

He plans changed when he encountered Meredith.

Evidence?

I know it is really far fetched that a burglar would wear gloves. I have never heard of that before. How could anyone even think something so ridiculous?

So, where are those gloves. Is there any record of Rudy having those leather gloves that you keep referring to? Or are you making stuff up?

It is not necessary to talk about the obvious reasons that Rudy would remove his gloves to assault Meredith.

Right

Meredith was murdered by a single attacker. She was murdered by Rudy Guede. There were 2 experts that testified at trial that Meredith was killed by one person.

Quite clearly the Judge was not convinced by those 2 experts. So where does that leave you?

FBI veteran Steve Moore agrees that Meredith was murdered by one attacker.

Based on what information did he reach that conclusion? Was he given access to all relevant information? Or was he given carefully selected material by the defense? Without that type background info I don't consider his opinions as credible.

Go ahead and make jokes about her murder. That is a really intelligent thing to do.

We're not joking about Meredith's murder. We're joking about the rather unlikely (dare I say fantasy) theories that you guys come up with. There is a difference, even if you don't perceive it as such.

 

[RWVBWL]

That's your first mistake. You're looking for a break-in at the Via Pergola cottage. The evidence demonstrates there was no break-in.

There was no evidence of glass outside and below Filomena's window. There was no evidence the wall was scaled. Nothing was taken from the room where the burglary was staged.

As has been explained before, the entire insurance industry will be shaken to its foundations by the assertion that experienced police investigators are unable to distinguish between a real burglary and a faked one.

Good day Stilicho,
I am interested in discussing skepiticism, for that is what the James Randi Educational Foundation Forum is all about, in fact I believe that it even says that above on the header. So if I am skeptical of the court's conclusions or the evidence that was used for a conviction, it is because I have read much, and have formed my own opinion. If the court's conclusions or the authorites investigations were always correct, well I suppose that there would never be a need for an appeals process.
I wish to discuss anything that crosses my mind regarding this case in a friendly way, as it also says above. I even like to try and say hi to the person I will be discussing anything with.
So once again, Hi Stilicho.
Can you help me with the query I put forth, without telling me what you think is my mistake? I simply asked, since I have not found out after much reading, this:

"But I still do not recall reading of a comparison between the 2 break-ins, the lawyers office and the murder scene. Do you guys/gals know if there are specific similarities between the 2, since Guede had the stolen laptop, which was from a break-in on the 2nd floor, and Guede was also in the house you guys/gals have been arguing about regarding that break-in?"
Thank you, RWVBWL

 

[capealadin]

Nah, that would be no problem, compared to doing the balancing act on his toes, working the window latch, scooting through the window, then playing mahjonng with the pieces of glass, removing every piece of dna and forensics.