Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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capealadin said:
Bruce: At least I can name my source. When you go there, it will give you the source. This was determined at the trial of Rudi, in court. Everything is verified.
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Some of the people you find on JREF are skeptics. We don't believe that the courts are perfect any more than we believe the Pope is infallible.
 
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Why does Peggy speculate like this? Pretty entertaining.

Peggy Wrote: BF is slowly but surely outing himself over there on JREF. He has so far told us that he takes Preston at his word and that his understanding of the Massei report is based on what he is being told by "someone" in Italy. He is also getting quite annoyed and refusing to interact with various posters. Soon, he'll have no one left to talk to

What exactly did I say about the Massei report? Who do I know in Italy?

I am not annoyed at all. You are all the one's trying to figure out who I am. I think it's entertaining.

I cannot talk to Fiona. I am out of Tylenol. It has nothing to do with being annoyed. I need to make a trip to Walgreens.
 
Kestrel said:
On the TV crime shows, people always seem to leave good, identifiable fingerprints. In the real world, it takes the right combination of surface material, oils or other substances on the fingers, and touching an object so the print is not smeared. Only then do you get a print that can be matched to a person.

Also, crime scene technicians only look for fingerprints in places that may have been related to the crime. For example, in the room where the victim was found, in places where blood was found, objects such as a glass on the counter likely to have been used by recent visitors. The surfaces in Amanda's bedroom were probably not tested.
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Thanks for explaining to us why none of Raffaele's and Amanda's prints were found in Meredith's room Kestrel. I agree entirely :)
 
Bruce Fisher said:
No. This has no bearing on anything, but no I was not there. Would not have done me any good. I don't speak Italian.
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Great. Yet you tell us what was presented and what was not and who was sitting next to whom. Someone's telling porkies (whistles).
 
Wasn't Guede busted with a stolen laptop computer from a 2nd story law office that had the burglar alarm disconnected? I wonder what the similarities are in comparison to the break in there vs the murder scene. Was the lawyers office window broken into or what?
Anybody know where I can read more?
Thanks, RWVBWL
 
Bruce Fisher said:
I have many close up photographs of the latch. I know how it works.

His body weight would have been pressed up against the wall. This would hardly require a balancing act.

A slight majority of the ledge was free from glass, even if he did put his hand on the ledge, he most likely would not have moved any glass. We are not talking about large piles of glass on the ledge.
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No Bruce, the wall would push him away, Newtonian physics. He had to be gripping something with his other had...what?
 
Fulcanelli said:
Opened them how? They were wedged shut with nothing on the outside to grip. This is why Massei writes in his report a tool was required.

And your 'belief' they were open means nothing. Some people believe in the tooth fairy. It's been established, in court, they were shut. Witness testimony and the physical evidence makes it so. I'll take that over your 'belief'.

Why would someone bother climbing up all that way to try and open outer shutters in any case, when they'd have no idea if the inner shutters would be open or not? If closed, the whole operation would be futile and one would have just taken a huge risk of injury or being caught for nothing.
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Wow, you gave up on all of the other excuses, now you are on the shutters.

Burglars case the places they want to break into. I know you don't believe this but Guede was a repeat offender. Even if the shutters were pulled closed (which we have no proof of), Guede would have just popped them open with his knife. Add 1.5 seconds to the effort.

Filomena did not remember if she closed the shutters. There is no physical evidence that proves the shutter were closed.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Wow, you gave up on all of the other excuses, now you are on the shutters.

Burglars case the places they want to break into. I know you don't believe this but Guede was a repeat offender. Even if the shutters were pulled closed (which we have no proof of), Guede would have just popped them open with his knife. Add 1.5 seconds to the effort.

Filomena did not remember if she closed the shutters. There is no physical evidence that proves the shutter were closed.
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Can you show Guede's criminal record?
 
Fulcanelli said:
No Bruce, the wall would push him away, Newtonian physics. He had to be gripping something with his other had...what?
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You are incorrect. Take a ladder, place it flat up against the wall. Not on an angle, completely flat. Climb to the top rung of the ladder and slightly lean forward to the wall. That wall will not push you away. Give it a try, I did.
 
I don't care if the piles of glass on the ledge are large or not, it makes no difference the size of piles, the ledge is covered in glass and none of it was knocked to the ground below, none of it was disturbed and none of it bore his fingerprints (one of the best substances on Earth for retaining prints). Nobody went over that ledge and into the window.

The arguments to try and make it so are getting rather pathetic and no court in the world would accept them.
 
"The poster Mary on Bruce's isn't You then? How unfortunate his site and readers are being denied your charming presence."

Thank you, Fulcanelli; that's sweet.

The break-in is not an either/or issue. I tend to believe the police who arrived first on the scene and said the break-in was staged by the murderer (Rudy). Whether or not Rudy threw the rock at the window from the inside or the outside is a question with several possible answers. For example, Rudy may have thrown the rock from the outside to see if anyone was home, then when no lights came on, he went up and went in through the front door.

I don't see how the staged break-in is relevant to the case. What difference does it make how Rudy got into the cottage? As for the possibility of Amanda's blood being in Filomena's room as evidence that she and Raffaele staged the break-in, I tend not to believe anything that came out of Patrizia Stefanoni's state-run lab. Hopefully there will be expert scientists at the trial to put the questions about blood and DNA to rest.

Amanda had no fear of samples of her blood being found at the scene. When the postal police officers arrived at the cottage, she took one of them into the bathroom and showed him the spots of blood on the sink.
 
RWVBWL said:
Wasn't Guede busted with a stolen laptop computer from a 2nd story law office that had the burglar alarm disconnected? I wonder what the similarities are in comparison to the break in there vs the murder scene. Was the lawyers office window broken into or what?
Anybody know where I can read more?
Thanks, RWVBWL
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You joined here just to ask where you can read more?

Try here: WHERE YOU CAN READ MORE
 
Mary H said:
As for the possibility of Amanda's blood being in Filomena's room as evidence that she and Raffaele staged the break-in, I tend not to believe anything that came out of Patrizia Stefanoni's state-run lab
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That's fine, it isn't a church, you don't have to believe. Only a court in a trial has to believe and they have to be convinced. They were.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
You are incorrect. Take a ladder, place it flat up against the wall. Not on an angle, completely flat. Climb to the top rung of the ladder and slightly lean forward to the wall. That wall will not push you away. Give it a try, I did.
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No thanks, I value my neck.
 
Kestrel:The kitchen was tested for fingerprints. Raffaele and Amanda were in the kitchen that afternoon. Cooking and eating pasta. Amanda admits to not being good at cleaning. And yet, one fingerprint on a glass. Filomena's room tested. Not one bit of dna from Rudi.
 
Fulcanelli said:
You joined here just to ask where you can read more?

Try here: WHERE YOU CAN READ MORE
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Hey Fulcanelli,
I joined up a few days ago, who cares when I did.
I asked about something specific, since I have not found a comparison of the 2 break-ins before. I have read a bunch of different sites, and also the beginning of this thread, which was a lot nicer of a discussion when it was first started. Don't be a D**K!
Thanks, RWVBWL
 
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