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No excuse for not testing for explosives

dommyboysinjapan said:
The waiting period between the aircraft hitting the buildings and them collapsing may have been to provide enough time for as many people to escape as possible. The idea would be a false flag terorist act that would incite rage to start wars with as few American casualties as possible. Hindsight is 20/20. It may have been planned or predicted that almost all of the occupants of the Towers would have enough time to evacuate the buildings.
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Epic stupidity.

The Gulf of Tonkin (typically thought by loons to be a "false flag") and the Manchurian Rail Incident (a genuine "false flag," executed by a totalitarian government, not the USA) both involved practically no loss of life. If the goal was to minimize casualties, they did a pretty spectacularly awful job of it.

This is the standard Truther problem. You require the mythical actors at once to be omnipotent and dumb as a sack of caltrops. This is, again, why you refuse to submit a hypothesis. You can't. Nothing you propose makes even the faintest whiff of sense.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
There were already a lot of people who were skeptical about the 93 bombing.
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Not anyone that matters.

Many alternative theorists have already concluded that the FBI furnished the explosives.
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And many reasonable people have already concluded that these alternative theorists are idiots. Count me among them.

The idea would be a false flag terorist act that would incite rage to start wars with as few American casualties as possible.
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Yeah, because wars are so cool, and everybody wants them.

Hindsight is 20/20. It may have been planned or predicted that almost all of the occupants of the Towers would have enough time to evacuate the buildings.
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I guess they shouldn't have severed all available exits above the crash sites then. How embarrassing! I mean, they were able to plan the thing SO PRECISELY that the collapse began EXACTLY where the planes crashed, so obviously that's where the explosives were. And they were able to somehow protect those munitions from the crash and subsequent flames...but somehow, they forgot to leave the people above the crash site a way to get out. WHOOPS! Well, I guess that's one on the NWO.
 
DGM,

It would help if you acknowledge the other factual mistakes you made in this threads. Do you admit you have made a few?
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I admit that the word "independent" may not have been appropriate for Neils Harrit if he is only drawing on the conclusions of Steven Jones. I am not certain if or to what extant he conducted his own investigation of the dust.

You said that I made a few. Care to enlighten me on any other factual mistakes i have made? Im not asking for much. Just give me one.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
...Care to enlighten me on any other factual mistakes i have made? Im not asking for much. Just give me one.
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Care to enlighten us which hypothesis it is that would be scrutinized by testing for explosives?

My apologies if returning to the topic of this thread is rude or out of line.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
3bodyproblem,



The airplane hijack scenario would presumeably be believed by everyone automatically (except it wasn't as accepted as was intended). If it had been just a CD without planes then a more comprehensive investigation may have been launched. There were already a lot of people who were skeptical about the 93 bombing. Many alternative theorists have already concluded that the FBI furnished the explosives.



The waiting period between the aircraft hitting the buildings and them collapsing may have been to provide enough time for as many people to escape as possible. The idea would be a false flag terorist act that would incite rage to start wars with as few American casualties as possible. Hindsight is 20/20. It may have been planned or predicted that almost all of the occupants of the Towers would have enough time to evacuate the buildings.
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So the hijackings were a cover for the CD.

So they must have known the collapse due to fire was believable. Despite it having never happened in history, the architects of the collapse were confident the plane crash would make an excellent cover for the ensuing CD.

Have you really considered how complex this is when you try to go the conspiracy route? The presumptions made by the perps are staggering.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
DGM,



I admit that the word "independent" may not have been appropriate for Neils Harrit if he is only drawing on the conclusions of Steven Jones. I am not certain if or to what extant he conducted his own investigation of the dust.

You said that I made a few. Care to enlighten me on any other factual mistakes i have made? Im not asking for much. Just give me one.
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Sure, You indicated that none of the "black boxes" were recovered. You even made a comment about their indestructibility. Four of the eight boxes were recovered (only 3 readable) yet you made no acknowledgment of learning (for the first time I presume) this information.
 
aggle-rithm said:
...I mean, they were able to plan the thing SO PRECISELY that the collapse began EXACTLY where the planes crashed, so obviously that's where the explosives were...
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How do you know this is within the hypothesis that Dommy wants to have scrutinized by testing for explosives, when Dommy has not even submitted a hypothesis?

Should we not first ask him what his hypothesis is, and then tackle it?
 
3bodyproblem said:
So the hijackings were a cover for the CD.

So they must have known the collapse due to fire was believable. Despite it having never happened in history, the architects of the collapse were confident the plane crash would make an excellent cover for the ensuing CD.

Have you really considered how complex this is when you try to go the conspiracy route? The presumptions made by the perps are staggering.
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We really shouldn't be guessing and piecing together bits and parts of what we feel Dommy's hypothesis might be.

I would really love for Dommy to state his hypothesis (one that involves explosives that could be tested for), and then we can discuss it properly.
 
DGM said:
Sure, You indicated that none of the "black boxes" were recovered. You even made a comment about their indestructibility. Four of the eight boxes were recovered (only 3 readable) yet you made no acknowledgment of learning (for the first time I presume) this information.
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I'll add another he stated:
"So? It is still just an unsubstantiated claim hence a conspiracy theory. The spokesperson for the FBI and Mueller both admitted that they did not have a prosecutable case against UBL in regard to 9/11 so it is a conspiracy theory."


http://911myths.com/index.php/Connecting_bin_Laden_to_9-11

And another
Then claimed: "I have been interested in this topic for well over 6 years and joined the 9/11 truth movement after carefully looking at everything on both sides and all the debunking (on both sides) for a period of about three years. I have read through the info on all the sites that you linked me to."
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
DGM,



I admit that the word "independent" may not have been appropriate for Neils Harrit if he is only drawing on the conclusions of Steven Jones. I am not certain if or to what extant he conducted his own investigation of the dust.
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He is the LEAD AUTHOR ON THE DAMN PAPER!! You call yourself a scholar??

WTF, lad, this thread is a joke.
 
To all the posters who keep saying that there needs to be a hypothesis before tests should be conducted for explosives please watch this short video and let this firefighter enlighten you about national fire standards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxGB2YoGV-I[/IMG

I believe him. He was there on that day saving lives. What he says makes sense.
 
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R.Mackey said:
Wow, Torin Wolf!

Along with a handful of general contractors, Jesse Ventura, and Danny Jowenko (who says WTC 1 and 2 could not have been controlled demolitions).

Honest question for you: Are you even aware of the lies you're telling?
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I skimmed that thread and it was interesting to see how quickly RI derailed it.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
To all the posters who keep saying that there needs to be a hypothesis before tests should be conducted for explosives please watch this short video and let this firefighter enlighten you about national fire standards

[qimg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxGB2YoGV-I[/qimg]

I believe him. He was there on that day saving lives. What he says makes sense.
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Hmm somehow you messed up the link. But I don't care to see the video. This childish truther-mode (flash youtube garbage when pressed for evidence, argument, reference or theories) has never flown and will never fly.

Anyway - you are saying you have no hypothesis, right?
In that case, this discussion is over. Without any hypothesis to verify or falsify, there is no point in proposing any tests.

Come back when you have something.
 
So dommyboy,

By your standard of validation, I can claim that the WTC buildings were brought down by Elvis, Chewbacca, and a trio of purple, singing aliens and that qualifies in your world as a workable hypothesis with validity equal to your 'theory'?

Just clarifying here
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
3bodyproblem,



The airplane hijack scenario would presumeably be believed by everyone automatically (except it wasn't as accepted as was intended). If it had been just a CD without planes then a more comprehensive investigation may have been launched. There were already a lot of people who were skeptical about the 93 bombing. Many alternative theorists have already concluded that the FBI furnished the explosives.



The waiting period between the aircraft hitting the buildings and them collapsing may have been to provide enough time for as many people to escape as possible. The idea would be a false flag terorist act that would incite rage to start wars with as few American casualties as possible. Hindsight is 20/20. It may have been planned or predicted that almost all of the occupants of the Towers would have enough time to evacuate the buildings.
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You said earlier that the building had to collapse to make the American people mad enough to go to war, seems the more casualties the better under your theory.
 
3bodyproblem

Have you really considered how complex this is when you try to go the conspiracy route? The presumptions made by the perps are staggering.
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It is complex. The Opperation Northwoods plan was actually pretty complex too (albeit the 9/11 conspiracy theories are even more complex). A lot of progress has been made in the last 50 or so years. I have no doubt that the technical advancements and the increasing control over the media make it possible for the American government to try more bold deceptions.

People like me would speculate less if the investigators had simply followed national fire standards and tested for and ruled out the possibility of explosives or incendiary devices. The odd failure to follow this protocol is bound to spark some curiosity and fuel conspiracy theories. It was such a major (and tragic) event. Why ignore these protocols?
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
3bodyproblem



It is complex. The Opperation Northwoods plan was actually pretty complex too (albeit the 9/11 conspiracy theories are even more complex). A lot of progress has been made in the last 50 or so years. I have no doubt that the technical advancements and the increasing control over the media make it possible for the American government to try more bold deceptions.

People like me would speculate less if the investigators had simply followed national fire standards and tested for and ruled out the possibility of explosives or incendiary devices. The odd failure to follow this protocol is bound to spark some curiosity and fuel conspiracy theories. It was such a major (and tragic) event. Why ignore these protocols?
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Out of curiosity, do you classify jumbo jets as "incendiary devices" or "explosive devices"?
 
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